Mon 17 Apr: SL: Warrington Wolves v Huddersfield Giants KO 3pm

[John Drake]

Discuss Warrington Wolves v Huddersfield Giants here.

[Gerrumonside ref]

I reckon the Wire will continue to get back on track here.

Warrington 26-12 Huddersfield

[ettenna]

Wolves 40 - 4 Giants

 

[meast]

Easy 2 points for the claret and gold this

 

[Desert Skipper]

Think this will be a tough one for Warrington.   Huddersfield will be hurting and there will be a reaction, whilst Warrington are missing Clark, Westerman, Atkins, Russell and Cooper with Westwood suspended.   Brown still out due concussion alongside Penny and Currie - no one seems to know when they will be back.

[ELBOWSEYE]

42 minutes ago, Desert Skipper said:

Think this will be a tough one for Warrington.   Huddersfield will be hurting and there will be a reaction, whilst Warrington are missing Clark, Westerman, Atkins, Russell and Cooper with Westwood suspended.   Brown still out due concussion alongside Penny and Currie - no one seems to know when they will be back.

Clark,cooper and westerman are in the squad, so a few bodies back and it looks like Smith has got a rotation thrust upon him by the concussion rules. 

[Desert Skipper]

Smith must have been playing mind games then as only the day before he stated the above would not be playing!

[ELBOWSEYE]

Well with all three in the 19 the minimum is one playing , and upto all three, but with Wakefield coming up on Saturday and plenty of the squad missing some of the games the toll on the players will be not as bad as normal at this period. 

[Chronicler of Chiswick]

Wire by 18.

[meast]

15 hours ago, Desert Skipper said:

Think this will be a tough one for Warrington.   Huddersfield will be hurting and there will be a reaction, whilst Warrington are missing Clark, Westerman, Atkins, Russell and Cooper with Westwood suspended.   Brown still out due concussion alongside Penny and Currie - no one seems to know when they will be back.

But Giants are missing important players too.

[Davo5]

Looks like it was a close,tough game,typical relegation battle.

[Just Browny]

The radio commentary suggests one of the spawniest wins ever, with Wire winning 26-24. Huddersfield scored with 20 seconds left, but Brough missed the conversion which would have tied it up.

I will take four points over Easter, but a lot of work to do with this team.

[Wilderspoolmemories]

To be honest the knock on given against Toby King which led to the final hudds try wasn't s knock on.  Hudds defenders tried to tackle him in goal but he had his hand on the ball in the field of play so where on earth Thaler got a knock on from is anyone's guess?  Justice really when that last seconds conversion attempt missed as hudds should never have had the possession which allowed them to score in the corner in the first place!

[meast]

Not a lot between the sides, both looked poor, but Warrington had the best of the composure and a couple of decisions went their way, I'm still not sure how you can drop the ball on contact and it deemed play on (Sims) and I wasn't totally convinced by Kings try either, looked like he was short then moved again to ground the ball,saying that, some of our tackling was shocking for some of those tries!

And despite sending Amor off last week, it seems Mr Thaler, bottled it this week, by putting Clark on report that chopped Gaskell down with a high shot, but Clark has now been cited with a grade B striking charge, so Huddersfield got absolutely no benefit from that, and Clark was fairly instrumental for Warrington after that,consistency please?

But as Rick Stone said, when you're down there you don't get much luck or 50/50 calls going your way, but we more than matched wire, we just lost our composure a few times and failed to tackle properly.

[Dave T]

29 minutes ago, meast said:

 

And despite sending Amor off last week, it seems Mr Thaler, bottled it this week, by putting Clark on report that chopped Gaskell down with a high shot, but Clark has now been cited with a grade B striking charge, so Huddersfield got absolutely no benefit from that, and Clark was fairly instrumental for Warrington after that,consistency please?

 

The consistency is there. Amor getting sent off was the anomaly. 

Wakefield didn't get any benefit from this ban either.

http://www.examiner.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/news/wakefield-coach-chris-chester-angry-12660100

It's pretty standard nowadays that players get banned after the video has been watched, as frustrating as it is.

[meast]

I do agree in principle, but Thaler saw it, blew up, got Clark over and put it on report, if he' seen it, which he clearly did, why put it on report? it's a cop out for me, he got a bit of stick for the red card for Amor and was too scared to make a decision and potentially get criticised again, I like Thaler as a ref so It's not a personal thing, i just think the Amor red card played on his mind and Warrington got the benefits of that.

As for the Wakefield one, no one was aware of that until it was pointed out by Chester post match, so no comparison really.

[Dave T]

1 hour ago, meast said:

I do agree in principle, but Thaler saw it, blew up, got Clark over and put it on report, if he' seen it, which he clearly did, why put it on report? it's a cop out for me, he got a bit of stick for the red card for Amor and was too scared to make a decision and potentially get criticised again, I like Thaler as a ref so It's not a personal thing, i just think the Amor red card played on his mind and Warrington got the benefits of that.

As for the Wakefield one, no one was aware of that until it was pointed out by Chester post match, so no comparison really.

It was one example - there are scores of examples where players get banned who did not get sent off in the game. I am not trying to provoke debate by the way mate, I get as frustrated as you, but it is more consistent that players get banned after not getting sent off than the red card.

Evidence: only 5 red cards in SL last year - however there were 61 disciplinary charges.

[Desert Skipper]

2 hours ago, meast said:

Not a lot between the sides, both looked poor, but Warrington had the best of the composure and a couple of decisions went their way, I'm still not sure how you can drop the ball on contact and it deemed play on (Sims) and I wasn't totally convinced by Kings try either, looked like he was short then moved again to ground the ball,saying that, some of our tackling was shocking for some of those tries!

You can see on the video that Sims loses the ball backwards on contact.   It wasn't passed but deliberately but it did go backwards before it hit the floor.   No issue there.

King's try wasn't debateable at all.   He came down with the ball short of the line but there was no tackle effected on him, therefore he has every right to lift the ball and place it over the line. The fact that he was in contact with the opposition player who had been competing for the ball doesnt make it a tackle.

[Auntie Linzi Morris]

When Clark scores, you can see Thaler wiping the tackle count clean.

So you'd have to assume the officials believed Huddersfield stole or knocked the ball on.

[meast]

I'm not claiming that those decisions cost us the game, far from it, nor do i like to bag refs, apart from at the game but don't we all my point is that the same referee sees more or less the same incident differently within 4 days, that has to be a worry surely? unless it depends which teams are involved?

8/10 the dropped ball by Sims would be a knock on, we certainly got pulled up for at least 3 identical ones, but yet that was deemed as fine, i can't see any Huddersfield hands on it and i doubt any of the officials could, it seemed pure guesswork, same with the King try, Thaler was convinced the try wasn't legal as he didn't get a good view but the in goal judge who probably had a worse view thought it was fine.

Anyway swings and roundabouts i guess, but even Martyn Sadler himself, alludes to it in the LE this week that using foul play seems to benefit certain teams.

[Futtocks]

12 minutes ago, meast said:

I'm not claiming that those decisions cost us the game, far from it, nor do i like to bag refs, apart from at the game but don't we all my point is that the same referee sees more or less the same incident differently within 4 days, that has to be a worry surely? unless it depends which teams are involved?

8/10 the dropped ball by Sims would be a knock on, we certainly got pulled up for at least 3 identical ones, but yet that was deemed as fine, i can't see any Huddersfield hands on it and i doubt any of the officials could, it seemed pure guesswork, same with the King try, Thaler was convinced the try wasn't legal as he didn't get a good view but the in goal judge who probably had a worse view thought it was fine.

Anyway swings and roundabouts i guess, but even Martyn Sadler himself, alludes to it in the LE this week that using foul play seems to benefit certain teams.

In this ever-changing world in which we live in ((c) McCartney), it is good to know there are some certainties.