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9 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

Thats why GB does not take part in the Olympics is it?

Well thanks for the advice.  There was me thinking their catchphrase was 'Team GB' and they use the web site teamgb.com.   And Andy Murray carried the flag in 2016.

 

Yes. And the reason they are called TeamGB, is that they are made up of British members. Not just English or Scottish, a mixture if you like.

Whereas GB RL is actually 100% English, and plays no games other than certain parts of England.

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15 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Indeed, THIS is the real issue.

https://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-news/rlif-details-future-vision-international-calendar

The Rugby League International Federation (RLIF) has outlined a long-term plan for an international calendar that would include the return of the British and Irish Lions team and new competitions such as a World Cup for the nines format of the sport.

The announcement was made today (Monday) following a meeting of the RLIF Board held over the weekend in Singapore. Heading the agenda was progressing finalisation of a long range calendar of international matches and tournaments. This came just weeks after the RLIF reacted with “surprise” to proposals from the Australian Rugby League Commission (ARLC) for reform of the international calendar, stating they represented a substantial shift from previous thinking.

The Board today said it received submissions on the calendar from the ARLC, the New Zealand Rugby League (NZRL), the Rugby Football League (RFL), the Asia Pacific Rugby League Confederation (APRLC) and the Rugby League European Federation (RLEF), together with proposals from RLIF executives.

Aside from locking down matches for the top ranking nations over the long term, the new international calendar is seeking to afford a platform that will allow developing nations to compete against the top teams.

The Board agreed to undertake consultation with stakeholders to finalise the details for the next two four-year cycles to present to its planned World Rugby League Congress in the UK in November. The plan includes the 2021 and 2025 World Cups, which will be hosted in England and the United States and Canada, respectively.

A Lions tour to the southern hemisphere has been pencilled in for 2019 and 2024. The Lions last played a competitive match in 2007 andNRL.com said next year’s tour would include Tests against Australia, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and possibly another Pacific nation.

New Zealand would tour the UK in 2018 and 2022, with Australia travelling over in 2020. Australia v New Zealand Tests would be pencilled in annually from 2018 to 2022, with New Zealand taking part in fixtures in the southern hemisphere in 2020.

A 9s World Cup has been listed for 2019 and 2023. A Championship for the Pacific nations in a mid and end of season format has been proposed for next year, with a European Championship to be held on a biennial basis from 2018.

The Board also agreed that World Cup qualifying competitions will “expand organically” and begin earlier due to the “increase in aspiration” from the growing membership.

RLIF chairman John Grant said: “There’s clearly still some detail to be finalised, but this is a fantastic announcement that has been a long time coming. It should give great heart and confidence to our international community.

“It reflects the broad diversity that exists across our RLIF member nations and we believe it can provide the certainty our fans, players and commercial stakeholders need to make long term commitments to international rugby league.”

The Board also endorsed a proposal from RLIF chief executive Nigel Wood to commence stakeholder engagement to review the process and criteria it applies to sanctioning international matches. This follows a commitment made by Grant (pictured) in June prior to the Test held in the US city of Denver between New Zealand and England. 

The review will be led by Wood and will seek input from a broad range of stakeholders including national federations, major leagues, professional and semi-professional clubs, players and their association representatives and industry experts.

Wood said: “This is a very significant piece of work that will provide consistency and benchmarks to which our nations must aspire to ensure international rugby league performs at the levels our players, clubs and fans expect. The Denver Test exposed all of us alike to this performance standard and has been a positive catalyst for this review.”

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1 hour ago, Johnoco said:

Yes. And the reason they are called TeamGB, is that they are made up of British members. Not just English or Scottish, a mixture if you like.

Whereas GB RL is actually 100% English, and plays no games other than certain parts of England.

It shouldn't be though, I always thought that the administration of the RFL sat on their ***** with how the game was in the 50's, very popular, big crowds, and plenty of money. There was a lot of ready made players in Wales, because of the rules of both codes the transition was much easier in those days, the game should have made a concerted effort to take the game to them in those times instead of just enticing individuals away, a proper prepared succesful programme of expansion into Wales, could have been replecated in both Scotland and Ireland, but sadly the administration of those days just wallowed in the success of their own little world, if only, the game could have been so much bigger and better.

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1 hour ago, Johnoco said:

Yes. And the reason they are called TeamGB, is that they are made up of British members. Not just English or Scottish, a mixture if you like.

Whereas GB RL is actually 100% English, and plays no games other than certain parts of England.

By your standard then if the best stand off in the world was born in Wales then he would not be eligible just because you refuse to let him play because you insist that we be called England?

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53 minutes ago, Dave T said:

With respect, we have heard it all before, and you have been suckered in plenty of times, telling us all about these tournaments that are going to happen, that haven't happened.

Bit unfair that David, if you are directing that remark at Spud, if he qoutes direct information from the "governing body" he is doing nothing but relaying the information given, we have all been suckered in!

If this and other so called boards that run our game where in what I would term as the "normal buisness" world answerable to a shareholder membership, they would have had no confidence applications submitted in their direction long ago and removed from office.

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10 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

By your standard then if the best stand off in the world was born in Wales then he would not be eligible just because you refuse to let him play because you insist that we be called England?

No, what would happen is that he would play for..... Wales.

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21 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

It shouldn't be though, I always thought that the administration of the RFL sat on their ***** with how the game was in the 50's, very popular, big crowds, and plenty of money. There was a lot of ready made players in Wales, because of the rules of both codes the transition was much easier in those days, the game should have made a concerted effort to take the game to them in those times instead of just enticing individuals away, a proper prepared succesful programme of expansion into Wales, could have been replecated in both Scotland and Ireland, but sadly the administration of those days just wallowed in the success of their own little world, if only, the game could have been so much bigger and better.

I completely agree with you H, but we are where we are and have to live with the reality.

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1 hour ago, MattSantos said:

So where can i buy tickets for this tour?

Im tempted to go Japan instead for the World Cup. 

For which I'm getting loads of adverts for online. (Not just here or rugby related things) And we're here not even knowing what is or isn't happening.

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6 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Bit unfair that David, if you are directing that remark at Spud, if he qoutes direct information from the "governing body" he is doing nothing but relaying the information given, we have all been suckered in!

If this and other so called boards that run our game where in what I would term as the "normal buisness" world answerable to a shareholder membership, they would have had no confidence applications submitted in their direction long ago and removed from office.

If all Spud was doing was relaying info I would agree, but Spud is quite vociferous in telling us where we are wrong and all the info he knows that we don't, so I am perfectly comfortable highlighting these unfulfilled promises!

Of course that aint Spud's fault that these things don't come to fruition, but even here when people are questioning these things he is quoting a press article as gospel.

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7 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

By your standard then if the best stand off in the world was born in Wales then he would not be eligible just because you refuse to let him play because you insist that we be called England?

Not often we agree Rupert but I am riding shotgun for you on this subject, there are not many things I would take from the other oval ball game, but they have kept on the same priciples we had till 2007, seperate the British Isles for the Home Nations and World Cups but for what I term as the ultimate of RL Football being the test series against Aus and NZ bring them together as GB.

Those who say it will only be English player's, could well be correct, but as you say we have no idea what or who the future will bring to the fore, the best stand off, full back, prop etc individually or collectivley, just watch for the knee jerk reaction then if they are refused to represent the international team.

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Not often we agree Rupert but I am riding shotgun for you on this subject, there are not many things I would take from the other oval ball game, but they have kept on the same priciples we had till 2007, seperate the British Isles for the Home Nations and World Cups but for what I term as the ultimate of RL Football being the test series against Aus and NZ bring them together as GB.

Those who say it will only be English player's, could well be correct, but as you say we have no idea what or who the future will bring to the fore, the best stand off, full back, prop etc individually or collectivley, just watch for the knee jerk reaction then if they are refused to represent the international team.

So where are these non English players going to appear from? There is no long term plan to develop players outside the traditional areas.

RU can call themselves the GB & I Lions because of the fact all of the nations are represented. If every RU Lions player had been English for the last 40 years, do you think the Welsh, Scots and Irish would give a monkeys

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3 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

So where are these non English players going to appear from? There is no long term plan to develop players outside the traditional areas.

RU can call themselves the GB & I Lions because of the fact all of the nations are represented. If every RU Lions player had been English for the last 40 years, do you think the Welsh, Scots and Irish would give a monkeys

Ben Flower is good enough. But all that is not the point. Why should only a part of UK of GB play the whole of Australia.

And I repeat, we play as Team GB in the Olympics.

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A lot of people missing the point here. The GB brand was exactly that........................a brand..................and a successful and traditional one that should never have been disbanded. One or RL's biggest problems is not respecting tradition. Another example is some of the horrendous "away" kits that most teams play in. Another one is players with their socks down, looks bloody awful.

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7 minutes ago, Bring back GB said:

A lot of people missing the point here. The GB brand was exactly that........................a brand..................and a successful and traditional one that should never have been disbanded. One or RL's biggest problems is not respecting tradition. Another example is some of the horrendous "away" kits that most teams play in. Another one is players with their socks down, looks bloody awful.

It was GB when there were non English players involved. Fair enough, now there aren't.

England is a much more successful brand than GB.

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18 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

Ben Flower is good enough. But all that is not the point. Why should only a part of UK of GB play the whole of Australia.

And I repeat, we play as Team GB in the Olympics.

You do understand the GB was created and existed solely because Scottish and Welsh RU players were poached to play along the M62 corridor and they were simply better than the existing players? When they went away it became 100% English players. Can you name a single Welsh or Scottish born and developed RL player (past or present) that would walk into the current England side of the last 10 years? Not a convert lured from RU - a RL developed Welsh or Scotsman through the system in their countries?

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41 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

For which I'm getting loads of adverts for online. (Not just here or rugby related things) And we're here not even knowing what is or isn't happening.

Yep. I have x amount of time and y amount of money to spend. I like to be organised, so book flights etc in advance. I can't do that with RL. I dont even know when the Challenge Cup is next year.

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1 hour ago, Johnoco said:

For which I'm getting loads of adverts for online. (Not just here or rugby related things) And we're here not even knowing what is or isn't happening.

I have adverts for the Japan World Cup popping up all the bloody time everywhere. I have already bought my tickets for the Cricket World Cup. The London baseball games are feeling like they should already have announced pricing & they play in June - however they have a functioning website and presence, and are backed by Major League Baseball.

How we can *every time* leave it to the last possible minute to do anything is beyond me.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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50 minutes ago, Scubby said:

You do understand the GB was created and existed solely because Scottish and Welsh RU players were poached to play along the M62 corridor and they were simply better than the existing players? When they went away it became 100% English players. Can you name a single Welsh or Scottish born and developed RL player (past or present) that would walk into the current England side of the last 10 years? Not a convert lured from RU - a RL developed Welsh or Scotsman through the system in their countries?

I have never heard the name The English Rugby Football League or indeed The Great Britian Rugby Football League, but irrespective of where players come from those born in the British Isles are ply their trade in and are representative of The Rugby Football League and playing in test series against Aus and NZ is the pinnicle of their chosen profession, if such player's come onto the scene should they be denied such a privaledge as represnting the best available team from British Nationals the RFL could select?

As Rupert suggests, did you not cheer on the British Curling team or the British No 1 Tennis player in the Olympics or were your favours strictly restricted to English Nationals?

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2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

I have adverts for the Japan World Cup popping up all the bloody time everywhere. I have already bought my tickets for the Cricket World Cup. The London baseball games are feeling like they should already have announced pricing & they play in June - however they have a functioning website and presence, and are backed by Major League Baseball.

How we can *every time* leave it to the last possible minute to do anything is beyond me.

Yes, the key bit being *every time*. It seems no -one ever looks at what happened when game X was poorly attended and trys to change things.

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