Scubby Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Plus Dominic Young and Herbie Farnworth. And Bailey Hodgson and Harry Rusthon who are in the top 30 squads for Newcastle and Canberra but yet to make their debut. Don't forget Dean son of dogs legend Darren. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Scubby said: Don't forget Dean son of dogs legend Darren. Just a little bit too Brittish and not quite British enough to be included in the list. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 The Faders blow it again. Must be some sort of record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Robertson Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Scubby said: Don't forget Dean son of dogs legend Darren. Don't forget Nikora either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Dominic Young was the fastest player in the NRL this last weekend and Herbie Farnworth 3rd fastest. Young is now the 4th fastest man in the NRL overall this year. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nrl.com/news/2021/06/23/stat-attack-sloan-stakes-claim-to-be-long-term-dragons-fullback/amp/ Wonderful to see some great young athletes from these shores in the NRL. 2 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 hours ago, Dunbar said: Dominic Young was the fastest player in the NRL this last weekend and Herbie Farnworth 3rd fastest. Young is now the 4th fastest man in the NRL overall this year. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nrl.com/news/2021/06/23/stat-attack-sloan-stakes-claim-to-be-long-term-dragons-fullback/amp/ Wonderful to see some great young athletes from these shores in the NRL. Always found those trackers stats on speed a bit of a joke, I mean when you have Nathan Brown as the 4th fastest players in the NRL Put the fastest players in the NRL together in a straight race, I doubt Young or Farnworth would even get near the top 10 fastest 1 St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: Always found those trackers stats on speed a bit of a joke, I mean when you have Nathan Brown as the 4th fastest players in the NRL Put the fastest players in the NRL together in a straight race, I doubt Young or Farnworth would even get near the top 10 fastest But a Rugby League game is not a straight line race is it. This is all about the top speeds that players hit in game situations and is far more relevant. If Nathan Brown is the 4th fastest it means that other so called quicker players have either not had the opportunity to hit a higher speed in the game or have not put in the effort. 2 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, Dunbar said: But a Rugby League game is not a straight line race is it. This is all about the top speeds that players hit in game situations and is far more relevant. If Nathan Brown is the 4th fastest it means that other so called quicker players have either not had the opportunity to hit a higher speed in the game or have not put in the effort. Wouldn’t surprise me if Dominic Young’s sprint last week, to then fail in the tackle, was up there as well. Astonishing pace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: Wouldn’t surprise me if Dominic Young’s sprint last week, to then fail in the tackle, was up there as well. Astonishing pace. I expect that chase is when he recored that speed. Often it is without the ball that the highest speeds are hit. Again a demonstration of the effort plays. Pity he didn't execute the tackle on Aitken, he probably went too soon after catching him easily. 1 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, Dunbar said: But a Rugby League game is not a straight line race is it. This is all about the top speeds that players hit in game situations and is far more relevant. If Nathan Brown is the 4th fastest it means that other so called quicker players have either not had the opportunity to hit a higher speed in the game or have not put in the effort. The speed a player has run in a game is a totally pointless stat to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Davo5 said: The speed a player has run in a game is a totally pointless stat to be honest. Can you explain why it is pointless. I would have thought speed is a pretty valuable asset in the modern game. Still, the speed a player runs in a game being totally pointless will be great comfort for Queensland going into game 2 on Sunday knowing that Tom Trbojevic and Addo-Carr can run quite fast is pointless. 1 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UTK Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 55 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: Always found those trackers stats on speed a bit of a joke, I mean when you have Nathan Brown as the 4th fastest players in the NRL Put the fastest players in the NRL together in a straight race, I doubt Young or Farnworth would even get near the top 10 fastest Herbie absolutely would be, he's top 5 at least. He's registered in the top 5 fastest speeds of the round in 7/12 rounds he's played, with only Josh Addo-Carr and Xavier Coates exceeding 7 top 5 places. The only players to register faster speeds are Addo-Carr, Coates, Saab, Tabuai-Fidow and now Young, the former four are all quite well accepted as being among the fastest in the game. Anecdotally, Herbie possesses very strong acceleration as opposed to the likes of Coates and Saab who appear to take more time but reach extremely high top speeds. Young has obviously had few chances to prove his speed but the chase on Aitken demonstrated how quickly he can gain ground on an opponent and already places his top speed within that top 5. Will be interesting to see if he can do this consistently as it looked like he had more in the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Can you explain why it is pointless. I would have thought speed is a pretty valuable asset in the modern game. Still, the speed a player runs in a game being totally pointless will be great comfort for Queensland going into game 2 on Sunday knowing that Tom Trbojevic and Addo-Carr can run quite fast is pointless. They are not selected because they are a fraction of a second faster than another player,they are selected because they are fantastic RL players with a high skill set,I seriously doubt Fittler will have been studying a speed gun in his selection deliberations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Just now, Davo5 said: They are not selected because they are a fraction of a second faster than another player,they are selected because they are fantastic RL players with a high skill set,I seriously doubt Fittler will have been studying a speed gun in his selection deliberations. That's a crazy circular argument. Yes, they are selected because of their skill set but speed is one of them. Tom Trbojevic and Josh Addo-Carr would not be as good as they are if they were not as fast as they are. And yes, coaches will pay massive attention to these types of stats. It is completely naive to think they wouldn't. 1 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davo5 said: They are not selected because they are a fraction of a second faster than another player,they are selected because they are fantastic RL players with a high skill set,I seriously doubt Fittler will have been studying a speed gun in his selection deliberations. Speed is a fairly important factor though when it comes to judging any RL player, in particular a back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Damien said: Speed is a fairly important factor though when it comes to judging any RL player, in particular a back. Yes it is but do you really think a speed gun stat is a major selection factor when deciding a players inclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Damien said: Speed is a fairly important factor though when it comes to judging any RL player, in particular a back. Not when their other main RL skill sets are poor - I give you Kevin Penny & Brimah Kebbie - lighting fast, pity they were pretty useless a passing, tackling & catching. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I just don't see anything special in Young to be honest. He always looks really ponderous and his positioning is poor. Huddersfield fans were raving about him a few seasons ago when he played against Saints, but he was absolutely awful that day with numerous dropped balls, missed tackles and poor positioning, with him at fault for several of the Saints try's. He's getting his chance at the moment to show what he can do in the NRL but he's got a very long way to go. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Can I just point out that the stats I linked to are not measuring a players ability to pass, tackle or catch. They are not describing what a great Rugby League player can or should be able to do or what their skill set is. They are simply showing who are the fastest players in each round. And I will maintain (but it does appear controversial on here for some reason) that being fast is actually quite a good thing... particularly for a Rugby League winger. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Saint Toppy said: Not when their other main RL skill sets are poor - I give you Kevin Penny & Brimah Kebbie - lighting fast, pity they were pretty useless a passing, tackling & catching. Well something being a factor generally indicates that other factors are at play. In RL that is obviously many. I've played with some supremely talented players that were far better RL players than some of those that made it professionally. They weren't quite big enough or fast enough though. Similarly we have professional RL players that can barely pass a ball 10 yards but are big and strong, players like the Stuart Fieldens of this world. There is a reason why NRL clubs, and an increasing amount of Super League clubs, look at physical attributes first and foremost rather than a RL specific skillset. RL skills can be taught to talented athletes, particularly forwards and outside backs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: I just don't see anything special in Young to be honest. He always looks really ponderous and his positioning is poor. Huddersfield fans were raving about him a few seasons ago when he played against Saints, but he was absolutely awful that day with numerous dropped balls, missed tackles and poor positioning, with him at fault for several of the Saints try's. He's getting his chance at the moment to show what he can do in the NRL but he's got a very long way to go. Here are the tries from that game. Can you point out which of the 7 tries Saints scored Young was at fault for. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/st-helens-vs-huddersfield/50466 2 "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Can I just point out that the stats I linked to are not measuring a players ability to pass, tackle or catch. They are not describing what a great Rugby League player can or should be able to do or what their skill set is. They are simply showing who are the fastest players in each round. And I will maintain (but it does appear controversial on here for some reason) that being fast is actually quite a good thing... particularly for a Rugby League winger. Speed, stamina and skill, with speed being the only one that is natural. Sure, you can make a player faster but they would never run as fast as a player who has had the same speed related training. Youngs attempted tackle just backed up my comments on another thread though, that fundamental tackling skills are lacking these days and that the tackle from the rear especially is highly skilled. His effort was too early but might have also been exacerbated by the risk of him tackling over the ball carriers shoulder and being called for ‘head high’. Either way, his attempt was dunnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost crayfish Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I think Young looks very promising. Still pretty raw, but there's plenty of size, speed, athleticism and skill there. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dunbar said: Here are the tries from that game. Can you point out which of the 7 tries Saints scored Young was at fault for. https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/st-helens-vs-huddersfield/50466 Oh come, don't let facts get in the way of a good made up rant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 26 minutes ago, Saint Toppy said: I just don't see anything special in Young to be honest. He always looks really ponderous and his positioning is poor. Huddersfield fans were raving about him a few seasons ago when he played against Saints, but he was absolutely awful that day with numerous dropped balls, missed tackles and poor positioning, with him at fault for several of the Saints try's. He's getting his chance at the moment to show what he can do in the NRL but he's got a very long way to go. Wasn’t he 17 making his debut in that game ? Given he’s only 19 and with a handful of first grade games behind him,having a way to go is hardly unusual,especially playing in the centres. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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