3 Aug: SL: Catalans Dragons v Warrington Wolves (Merged Threads)

[Dave T]

11 minutes ago, redjonn said:

you may be right but the issue for me was that the player (Philbin) two high shots followed two high shots from another player.   So for me it was becoming a pattern and whilst may not be intentional a sin bin should have been the least...  At some point the ref did speak to Warrington captain about the number of high shots... at that point he said it was five and that they needed to sort it. Of course the damage is done by then... damage as to wounding up opposition or damage as in impact for future head injuries...

I wouldn't disagree with that. Persistent fouls can absolutely be punished with yellows, and it may have been an effective way to make a stand. 

I don't agree any were worthy of red.

[Dunbar]

17 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said:

For what should he be banned other than not being likeable. 

Chris Hill used to be one of my favourite players.

Then he was made captain and I heard him in interviews and (more critically) speaking with the referee and things changed dramatically. 

[Dave T]

Just now, Dunbar said:

Chris Hill used to be one of my favourite players.

Then he was made captain and I heard him in interviews and (more critically) speaking with the referee and things changed dramatically. 

It is a bit embarrassing when you compare to how Adrian Morley and Lee Briers developed as captains as they got older.

Hill always seems frustrated and angry with whoever is in front of him, and tbh I genuinely believe that was his issue on Saturday at the end. He was angry with the fans, the ref, Edward's, the fact the game wasnt abandoned. He was embarrassing.

I am disappointed we havent seen any kind of apology yet.

[Essai Machine]

3 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Tomkins punching Mamo is on the TV footage

But it doesn't show the full melee between the two .If you have access to uninterrupted footage of the two please post a link .

[Dave T]

5 minutes ago, Essai Machine said:

But it doesn't show the full melee between the two .If you have access to uninterrupted footage of the two please post a link .

So what have you seen that we havent? 

[Essai Machine]

1 minute ago, Dave T said:

So what have you seen that we havent? 

I haven't seen the full contact between the two , and neither has anyone else on this forum . Seeing a few seconds of Tomkins striking Mamo doesn't prove that Mamo is innocent of any serious wrongdoing , it just means their wasn't any available footage of it .

As I said before , if you have full , unedited footage of their coming together please post a link .

[child]

1 this commission is a shame of the super league

for a fight you are 2 inevivably

mc illorum 1 hight takle 1 match patton and philbin 6  high takle 0 match

tomkins punch 3 match hill punch on a  ground player 0 match

mamo 1 headbutt on tomkins 2 yellow cards 0 match (is the referee adjoint who tell this at the psychopath child

akauala shoulder charg on mll illorum and maria 0 match

this commission are sons of #####

their role is save leeds and that warrington can play the final cup quiet only

the sanctions of the catalans are correct but for warrington no

is impossible that on a général fight 1 club have 2 red cards and 5 suspended and the other 1 yellow card and 1 suspended

2 child

child is a psychopath and is the bad referee of sl

1 yellow card to hill for punch on a ground player no the reglementation is red card

the high tacle 10 for the wolfs patton and philbin 6 no yellow cards !!!!!!!!

price go out philbin after a high tacle  for evoid the yellow card child call the player ......for a caveat 

if child have make the job correct no problem

3 incident on the tribune

the fans of warrington are people fantastics and sympatics

but i see 20 assholes drunk who are not fans

these assholes go to lloret del mar for drink and arrive to the stade ramshakle and

these assholes are on the tribune with tickets of others supporters

i think that for the protection of all spectators the club of dragons must prohibit the entrance 

you are drunk go away 

 

[Tiger Wolf]

14 minutes ago, Dave T said:

It is a bit embarrassing when you compare to how Adrian Morley and Lee Briers developed as captains as they got older.

Hill always seems frustrated and angry with whoever is in front of him, and tbh I genuinely believe that was his issue on Saturday at the end. He was angry with the fans, the ref, Edward's, the fact the game wasnt abandoned. He was embarrassing.

I am disappointed we havent seen any kind of apology yet.

Briers had a rapport with refs and could get away with certain things, yet Moz had a more formal approach and appeared to have respect.

On the current playing staff I think Ratch may do a decent job, although Hughes is vice so may also work.

I am not dismissing Hill as a player, still one of the better props.  Just the captaincy responsibilities appear lacking discipline.

[Exiled Wiganer]

I can understand the delight of Wire fans and their enthusiasm for defending the disciplinary decisions. A 1 match ban for a winger after an ill tempered game ending in a brawl between both teams that in turn inspired horrendous off field violence is about as good as it gets.

I just don’t understand why the Panel didn’t look at the 5 - 1 result and conclude that it gives a rather imbalanced  (to neutral eyes) apportionment of blame. I really fear for the outcome of the investigation into the off field incidents similarly apportioning blame entirely to the Catalans. 

[Saint Toppy]

2 hours ago, Dave T said:

Catalans have a problem at the moment that has been festering for a good few years now. The answer to the question "why is Catalans discipline so poor?" is only ever answered with claims about the Refs and the RFL. I think they need to look closer to home.

Its hardly going to improve next year then is it by signing the most penalized player in the NRL in Maloney !

[bobbruce]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

 

Mamo seems a bit angry to me, and not particularly likeable on the pitch, but I am surprised to read that he could have had 3 red cards the other day.

Just to clear that up it was me that suggested he could’ve received three reds. Firstly when he ran into the first fight just as it was calming down and sparking it off again. Secondly for the professional foul as imo it was so blatant wasn’t even a pretence that it was anything else. Granted that would’ve been unusual but a do think it was a unusually blatant example. Finally for the incident at the end were he recieved the yellow. Running in again and reports from the touchie of use of the head so not beyond the realms that he could’ve been upgraded to red. I don’t think any of these offences were particularly bad and weren’t nailed on reds but the potential though was there for him to be dealt with more severely. 

[Dave T]

20 minutes ago, Essai Machine said:

I haven't seen the full contact between the two , and neither has anyone else on this forum . Seeing a few seconds of Tomkins striking Mamo doesn't prove that Mamo is innocent of any serious wrongdoing , it just means their wasn't any available footage of it .

As I said before , if you have full , unedited footage of their coming together please post a link .

To charge Mamo with something it would need some evidence. The TJ saw it and deemed it yellow.

The TJ also saw Tomkins and deemed that red.

I'm not the one claiming bias or anything more sinister.

[dkw]

43 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Chris Hill used to be one of my favourite players.

Then he was made captain and I heard him in interviews and (more critically) speaking with the referee and things changed dramatically. 

His change in attitude was so weird, he went from being pretty non-agressive and just a player who got on with his job, while being an outstanding prop to an absolute muppet who spends more time using cheap shots, elbows in the face on the deck, whining to refs etc than just playing. I dont think I can ever remember a player changing so much.

[Dave T]

6 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

I can understand the delight of Wire fans and their enthusiasm for defending the disciplinary decisions. A 1 match ban for a winger after an ill tempered game ending in a brawl between both teams that in turn inspired horrendous off field violence is about as good as it gets.

I just don’t understand why the Panel didn’t look at the 5 - 1 result and conclude that it gives a rather imbalanced  (to neutral eyes) apportionment of blame. I really fear for the outcome of the investigation into the off field incidents similarly apportioning blame entirely to the Catalans. 

Maybe they did look at the 5 v 1 (although I have no idea why that is relevant) but couldn't find a dangerous throw, bad high tackle, repeated punching, headbut or crowd incitement from Wire to level it up.

Surely you dont genuinely believe that for every ban on one side it should be levelled up?

That would be bizarre to say the least.

[Dave T]

10 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Just to clear that up it was me that suggested he could’ve received three reds. Firstly when he ran into the first fight just as it was calming down and sparking it off again. Secondly for the professional foul as imo it was so blatant wasn’t even a pretence that it was anything else. Granted that would’ve been unusual but a do think it was a unusually blatant example. Finally for the incident at the end were he recieved the yellow. Running in again and reports from the touchie of use of the head so not beyond the realms that he could’ve been upgraded to red. I don’t think any of these offences were particularly bad and weren’t nailed on reds but the potential though was there for him to be dealt with more severely. 

Running in is not a red though is it, unless you throw a punch. Worst case is a yellow.

A professional foul is not a red, never has been. Worst case is a yellow, which is what he got.

The report from the TJ was head to head and a yellow. Which he got. No headbut. 

This isnt a blind defence of Mamo, you'll see I have been extremely critical of him both during the game and after, but he does not commit a single red card offence, never mind 3.

[GUBRATS]

4 hours ago, Phil said:

You can hear the touch judge saying Mamo has put his head into Tomkins face 

I didn't hear that ( not saying he didn't say it ) , I'll only comment on what I saw , maybe he did that after Tomkins elbowed him in the face 

[Dave T]

10 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

I didn't hear that ( not saying he didn't say it ) , I'll only comment on what I saw , maybe he did that after Tomkins elbowed him in the face 

Yes, he says Mamo put his head into his face and it is a yellow card in his opinion. So he saw it and wasnt too concerned.

[Phil]

16 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Yes, he says Mamo put his head into his face and it is a yellow card in his opinion. So he saw it and wasnt too concerned.

Lack of consistency then, remember Liam Watts a couple of years ago? got walked for precisely that

 

[DoubleD]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

It is a bit embarrassing when you compare to how Adrian Morley and Lee Briers developed as captains as they got older.

Hill always seems frustrated and angry with whoever is in front of him, and tbh I genuinely believe that was his issue on Saturday at the end. He was angry with the fans, the ref, Edward's, the fact the game wasnt abandoned. He was embarrassing.

I am disappointed we havent seen any kind of apology yet.

Have you or any other Wire fans been onto the club expressing your disappointment and requesting an apology or suggesting a change in captain?

Just curious.......

[Dave T]

26 minutes ago, Phil said:

Lack of consistency then, remember Liam Watts a couple of years ago? got walked for precisely that

 

You know when that was Phil?

[Dave T]

20 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Have you or any other Wire fans been onto the club expressing your disappointment and requesting an apology or suggesting a change in captain?

Just curious.......

I haven't personally. They will either apologise or they wont. I have no personal interest in forcing g one.

Captain etc is a Price decision he will succeed or fail with these decisions.

[GUBRATS]

40 minutes ago, DoubleD said:

Have you or any other Wire fans been onto the club expressing your disappointment and requesting an apology or suggesting a change in captain?

Just curious.......

Have any Wire fans been into the club to apologise for behaving like complete morons ?

Just curious ?

[GUBRATS]

1 hour ago, dkw said:

His change in attitude was so weird, he went from being pretty non-agressive and just a player who got on with his job, while being an outstanding prop to an absolute muppet who spends more time using cheap shots, elbows in the face on the deck, whining to refs etc than just playing. I dont think I can ever remember a player changing so much.

Previously he was with Leigh and had to behave , must be the Warrington influence 

[Dave T]

56 minutes ago, Phil said:

Lack of consistency then, remember Liam Watts a couple of years ago? got walked for precisely that

 

Just found it. Liam Watts took 3 strides toward a player at marker and head-butted him. Not very strong mind, but that isn't the same as two scuffling players.  He got a 3 match ban for it. 

So not precisely that at all.

[Essai Machine]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

To charge Mamo with something it would need some evidence. The TJ saw it and deemed it yellow.

The TJ also saw Tomkins and deemed that red.

I'm not the one claiming bias or anything more sinister.

And do we have a TJ cam that shows the whole incident from his POV , or ar we going off the 'questonable' eyesight of a much-maligned official ?

Have you ever questioned a TJ's assessment of a forward pass or the onside/offside position of a player ?

If you're suggesting that we take a TJ's word/vision as gospel then you can never criticise one for the rest of your life .