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12 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

Blues were getting around 10k this year compared to Warriors average of 16k+

Wow that's low.  I remember they used to get 30k.  Eden park must be terrible with only 10k rattling around in there 

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12 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Awful....

Such a repetitive and dull game

You can’t be serious. The NBA is one of the most exciting leagues in the world. Sorry to say but I’d watch the NBA over Super League any day 

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11 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

@Bedfordshire Bronco I have less certainty in 2019 than I did in say 2015 when the Warriors were for a long time, the biggest supported domestic club team of any sport in NZ.

Its vaguely like asking is AFL the biggest sport in Sydney. Well, the Sydney Swans are far and away the biggest club team in NSW sport. Doesn’t necessarily make Sydney an AFL town (although it always has had a strong underbelly of support, even in the Swans darkest days).
 

Sydney does however have 9 RL teams though, compared to Auckland only having one Super Rugby franchise. Which does further lend weight that when there is only one club of each code in the city, and the club that operates with greater support than the other is the league team. It does lend weight that Auckland is a league city.

Thanks SP

I guess we all want league to be on the rise. Would you say that is the case generally or the opposite? 

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10 hours ago, bazzzz65 said:

I love 'proper' cricket but not T20 or the abomination that is 'The Hundred'!!

I'm an anomaly. I used to love test cricket as a kid and was ambivalent to ODIs

I am now the opposite... Much rather go and watch a 3 hour thrash at Lords than a day of test cricket.... And I'm in my 40s!

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19 hours ago, Damien said:

There have been many articles in the New Zealand press saying Auckland is now a league city.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12181688


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16 hours ago, Newguy said:

I don't think it has, playing numbers wise it has, but viewership and bums on seats it has not.

participation it outgrew rugby union two years ago. In terms spectator-ship you right the rugby codes still going strong.

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13 hours ago, Celt said:

Greymouth is a "city" with a population of 9800 people.  England has villages with bigger populations than that.  

Greymouth also has 2 functioning union clubs, so it is doubtful that Rugby League is "bigger" FWIW.

While the West Coast region has produced 50odd Kiwis over the course of history, it's RL has been in decline for many years now.  Union in the west coast still has a 6 team comp, although it is declining as a sport there too. An awful lot of posters on TotalRL really live in the past, and quote stuff that is decades out of date. 

(I am definitely not saying that you do, Themusician, but that is why I jumped in - please don't take it the wrong way, it is just that a lot of posts on here are utterly delusional).

I said Greymouth not the west coast places like Marsden and Lower bullet lean more towards union and they are places in the west coast.

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Anyone know if league is bigger in places like perpignan, Perth, Adelaide, Tonga and Melbourne? 

edit: In comparison to RU. 

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1 minute ago, Blackpool rl said:

Anyone know if league is bigger in places like perpignan, Perth, Adelaide, Tonga and Melbourne? 

edit: In comparison to RU. 

What a strange selection of places. Almost like you've an agenda.

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26 minutes ago, Blackpool rl said:

Anyone know if league is bigger in places like perpignan, Perth, Adelaide, Tonga and Melbourne? 

edit: In comparison to RU. 

Just to let you know, as you know a brand new poster, but comparing league to union will get this post sent to a subforum, which you have access to after a 100 posts. Happy to help 😇

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37 minutes ago, jannerboyuk said:

Just to let you know, as you know a brand new poster, but comparing league to union will get this post sent to a subforum, which you have access to after a 100 posts. Happy to help 😇

Thanks. I thought I was ok to talk about it as people had compared RU to RL earlier. 

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I live in Auckland. I'd agree with gnidir that league is on the decline here to some extent, but so is rugby. Playing numbers here at a senior level have dropped hugely in the past ten years, but so have rugby's... what you'd see in Auckland is almost the northern England effect where the sport is say big in Wigan, but not Bolton. So parts of south and west Auckland, it is undoubtedly the biggest sport, but on the shore and the city, not so. The Warriors give league huge visibility, and media coverage, so everyone is aware/has a passing interest,but whether that translates into it being their no1 sport... The Fox still has some quality players but as gnidir said, it is shamefully played on park fields: the facilities at clubs here rank way behind NCL clubs ijn the UK. 

One area of NZ where league is definitely no1 is the working-class northern Waikato towns: Huntly and Ngaruawahia. This is thanks to a particularly strong Maori, marae-based league support. 

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7 hours ago, Eddie said:

Sounds like it’s written by a biased league fan engaging in some wishful thinking, but nonetheless I hope he’s right. 

RU will always be king in NZ due to the national team being their pride and joy, but there’s no question the sport is in trouble at club level. Super Rugby looks doomed with South African teams pulling out and looking towards the riches of England and France. Two clubs have already joined that Pro 14 league thingy. South Africa puts in a substantial amount of tv money..with that gone that just leaves Aus and NZ, and RU in Aus being on its knees that spells bad news for NZ clubs. With the gulf in finances The best NZ players will then look towards England and France to ply their trade, and fielding weaker teams without the best NZ players interest in the NZ clubs will decline. 

One solution for NZ (and Aussie) clubs that I’ve seen mentioned is to look toward Asia (specifically Japan), but how strong is the interest in RU there? Yes the recent RUWC was a success, but I think it was fleeting. Prior to the event there was hardly a word about it, all the talk in Japan was about next year’s Olympics. The club RU games in Japan get paltry crowds. If you look at the 2002 FIFA World Cup in Korea/Japan, both countries came to a standstill during it, and today we are seeing the legacy of that tournament with Koreans and Japanese who were kids then now starting to play for top clubs (Son at Spurs being the most notable, and Minamino who will sign for Liverpool). I don’t see any such legacy or interest in rugby from Japan, so the club game in NZ is out on it’s own. This is where Rl club teams can capitalise. 

From the article though, this caught my eye;

Polynesians in particular loved the clean and open confrontations that league offered as opposed to rugby's messier, wrestling-style nature.

 

This is where I think RL is missing a trick. RL has introduced wrestling. It’s nowhere near as clean and open as it was, and is becoming attritional like RU (albeit not as far down the path). The RL games at Wembley that I watched on YouTube from the era of Schofield were far more attractive than today’s game, and I think if RL was able to get back to that open style of running, attacking rugby, not bogged down by wrestling and risk averse tactics (advocated by the ilk of Shaun Wane), the gulf between the two codes would be vast, and would see swathes of RU fans ditch that for RL.

 

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5 hours ago, DC77 said:

RU will always be king in NZ due to the national team being their pride and joy, but there’s no question the sport is in trouble at club level. Super Rugby looks doomed with South African teams pulling out and looking towards the riches of England and France. Two clubs have already joined that Pro 14 league thingy. South Africa puts in a substantial amount of tv money..with that gone that just leaves Aus and NZ, and RU in Aus being on its knees that spells bad news for NZ clubs. With the gulf in finances The best NZ players will then look towards England and France to ply their trade, and fielding weaker teams without the best NZ players interest in the NZ clubs will decline. 

One solution for NZ (and Aussie) clubs that I’ve seen mentioned is to look toward Asia (specifically Japan), but how strong is the interest in RU there? Yes the recent RUWC was a success, but I think it was fleeting. Prior to the event there was hardly a word about it, all the talk in Japan was about next year’s Olympics. The club RU games in Japan get paltry crowds. If you look at the 2002 FIFA World Cup in Korea/Japan, both countries came to a standstill during it, and today we are seeing the legacy of that tournament with Koreans and Japanese who were kids then now starting to play for top clubs (Son at Spurs being the most notable, and Minamino who will sign for Liverpool). I don’t see any such legacy or interest in rugby from Japan, so the club game in NZ is out on it’s own. This is where Rl club teams can capitalise. 

From the article though, this caught my eye;

Polynesians in particular loved the clean and open confrontations that league offered as opposed to rugby's messier, wrestling-style nature.

 

This is where I think RL is missing a trick. RL has introduced wrestling. It’s nowhere near as clean and open as it was, and is becoming attritional like RU (albeit not as far down the path). The RL games at Wembley that I watched on YouTube from the era of Schofield were far more attractive than today’s game, and I think if RL was able to get back to that open style of running, attacking rugby, not bogged down by wrestling and risk averse tactics (advocated by the ilk of Shaun Wane), the gulf between the two codes would be vast, and would see swathes of RU fans ditch that for RL.

 

yeh the future for super rugby is going to be interesting.  i agree that in the future new zealand will lose most of their players to european rugby or even rugby league.  the all blacks will then have less to pick from.  or the NZRU will admit defeat and pick all blacks from european union.

new zealand can sustain the teams it has but  i doubt australia can handle three teams (i think theyll end up with two).  they needed the large australian rugby market to watch games.  that happened in the past, not so much now.

 

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22 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Thanks SP

I guess we all want league to be on the rise. Would you say that is the case generally or the opposite? 

On the rise in Auckland? I would say it hasn’t progressed for at least a decade. With inflation, that’s a decline 🤣

Another new club that is a necessity is a second NZ team. This will promote growth in Auckland and the rest of NZ.

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14 hours ago, Blackpool rl said:

Anyone know if league is bigger in places like perpignan, Perth, Adelaide, Tonga and Melbourne? 

edit: In comparison to RU. 

Tonga would.be interesting now.  Certainly league is growing there with what the Tongan rugby league team.have achieved.

Melbourne has better grassroots for.union than league but the super rugby side is struggling 

Perth after losing their team in the force union is on the wane though the arlc aren't intetested in adding a team 

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6 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

On the rise in Auckland? I would say it hasn’t progressed for at least a decade. With inflation, that’s a decline 🤣

Another new club that is a necessity is a second NZ team. This will promote growth in Auckland and the rest of NZ.

Yes absolutely 

Also the warriors not being a perennial basket case would also help 

They've sunk in a hole.since 2002 

They didn't even want to keep shaun johnson for some reason 

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