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4 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Dave is always right 😉

Toronto need to develop players for their own sake, not just the wider game, so it’ll be great to see the ‘putting rugby balls in kids’ hands’ slogan become more meaningful than a mission statement on a website.

Freshest bait on here 

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2 hours ago, Kayakman said:

You are a very poor loser David!...and your logic in that first paragraph is well...to say the least...suspect.

Just admit you were wrong and we, as good Christian people,  can leave it at that....

And leave the people from Leigh alone...they have enough problems at the moment.

Put that temper back in your pocket you bad, bad boy.

Well Leigh managed to beat Wigan last night. Under your illusions of what friendlies are! That puts them favourites to replace you.

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On 23/01/2020 at 16:59, NOS4A2 said:

They are not a MAJOR club. They are a rich blokes project. They do not have HUGE crowds either. They have good crowds. They will maybe one day have good crowds that pay to attend, but at the moment, they rely on freebies to a beer festival.

Speaking of the beer festival. Given this is a MAJOR part of the match day experience, I wonder how the Phenom with morals who won't wear the comp sponsors logo sits with the beer being the #1 attraction at games?

By the way. I am not calling or inferring you or anyone else is stupid for disagreeing with me. You are the one doing that.

What a load of rubbish. Yes... rubbish!

Beer the #1 attraction? 
Is a team selling beer at a sporting event a novel idea to you?

Just because we do it better than other teams, doesn't take away from the product the team has put on the field that has also been top notch for the levels we've been in for 3 years.

Also, I've paid to go to every home game for 3 years.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but you don't get to create whatever facts you want.

Maybe spend more time focusing working on your teams deficiencies, whoever than may be, than putting down a team that has been extremely successful, both on and off the field, given it's only 3 years old.

 

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Well Leigh managed to beat Wigan last night. Under your illusions of what friendlies are! That puts them favourites to replace you.

Good game? What was the score?

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42 minutes ago, PatrickB said:

What a load of rubbish. Yes... rubbish!

Beer the #1 attraction? 
Is a team selling beer at a sporting event a novel idea to you.

Just because we do it better than other teams, doesn't take away from the product on the field that has also been top notch for the levels we've been in for 3 years.

Also, I've paid to go to every home game for 3 years.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but you don't get to create the facts.

Maybe spend more time focusing working on your teams deficiencies, whoever than may be, than putting down a team that has been extremely successful, given it's only 3 years old.

 

Bro he's a union fan who hates the idea of league taking off in Canada. 

Any success you have seems to be a threat to his perception of the order of the universe 

He's making stuff up.  Try and engage with reasonable critics imo rather than any critic 

There's nothing you can say to make him admit he is wrong 

 

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1 hour ago, SL17 said:

Well Leigh managed to beat Wigan last night. Under your illusions of what friendlies are! That puts them favourites to replace you.

I wish Leigh all the best this year...you gotta let it go.

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10 minutes ago, NOS4A2 said:

1. I am not a fan of any sport other than RL. I have 2 sides that I support in that game, one in Europe, one in Australasia. I admit to having played Union, but the only club I have ever has a season ticket to or even simply paid to get into a game other than RL is Glasgow Celtic!

2. Success you say? How is it a success that a team has purchased its way to to the top of a niche sport in an alien city without engaging the youth in their home city to encourage participation and who have now overspent on average players in such small numbers that their season could be over, but which may be a blessing as there's no TV deal in their area that will show said demise considered a success? They whine about no central funding then say they want to spend more of their own money over the cap to be competitive.

3. Made it up have I? Proof?

4. I am often wrong. I welcomed the idea of Toronto under the guise of perez's vision and that was patently an error, because now you've got 3 wealthy players combined with 20 overpaid players in a squad that needs 30 players all capable and fit.

5 What part of the above is made up?

Are you Parky?

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17 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Are you Parky?

lol.. Give it up man. Take your canoe for a walk..

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19 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

Are you Parky?

Not one cut-and-paste in any of his posts. Clearly not the late Parksider.

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2 hours ago, NOS4A2 said:

Hello Patrick.

I've actually visited your fair city a few times and think, unlike you, it's quite nice.

1. Free Tickets...

Etc etc 

 


Mate, I’ve been watching Broncos since the first time I moved to London in 1999. As one of the many heartlands supporters who went along, it started as a way to get the fix whilst I’d I’m honest not committing to the cause. But you get sucked in eventually - the highs and the lows. Two key things I learned versus my original love of sitting in the Millward Stand at Rervers...

 

1. Up north people take for granted how embedded the club already is in the community. From a get people to games perspective, but also from a talent pipeline perspective. Broncos had to create everything from scratch, sometimes appallingly, sometimes with some success. But I got a new found humility comparing Rovers’ crowds of born-and-breds with every hard-won ticket sales (or even persuading a mate to come for free when not in their culture)...

 

> Toronto have bloody nailed this, it’s amazing, and as a marketer and business leader by day I can’t begin to describe how impressed I am. Paid tickets, memberships and junior programmes will follow this awareness. If only Fulham and various incarnations had this platform in Year 4. 


2. With London, Rugby League missed a huge opportunity (especially pre 1995 when teams like Sarries and Wasps played in parks) to support the new team from the core. A little disproportionate investment from the centre then, and the world would be very different now. The Americans are the worlds best at creating and building sports businesses in new markets, and they all - to the last one - take a “whole sport” approach to market expansion. And even then it doesn’t always work; but it does more often 

 

> Toronto are being even more left out on a limb than London. It’s comical. We don’t even let them have their share, their equal share, of the TV money. Despite them inevitably being a strong draw for audiences in 2020. Let alone provide any other central strategy or support.

 

As a London fan I’m amazed you lack empathy for their position. Watching the usual small-minded people bash Toronto whilst these days suddenly being more generous to London (there’s a new “other” in town) depresses the hell out of me.

 

As ever, our great game, whose rules have evolved to a phenomenal customer experience through the fire of 125 years’ battle for paying eyeballs, continues to shoot itself in the foot when someone actually comes along with a structural idea that might provide the potential of a step-change... how depressing 

 

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17 minutes ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:


Mate, I’ve been watching Broncos since the first time I moved to London in 1999. As one of the many heartlands supporters who went along, it started as a way to get the fix whilst I’d I’m honest not committing to the cause. But you get sucked in eventually - the highs and the lows. Two key things I learned versus my original love of sitting in the Millward Stand at Rervers...

 

1. Up north people take for granted how embedded the club already is in the community. From a get people to games perspective, but also from a talent pipeline perspective. Broncos had to create everything from scratch, sometimes appallingly, sometimes with some success. But I got a new found humility comparing Rovers’ crowds of born-and-breds with every hard-won ticket sales (or even persuading a mate to come for free when not in their culture)...

 

> Toronto have bloody nailed this, it’s amazing, and as a marketer and business leader by day I can’t begin to describe how impressed I am. Paid tickets, memberships and junior programmes will follow this awareness. If only Fulham and various incarnations had this platform in Year 4. 


2. With London, Rugby League missed a huge opportunity (especially pre 1995 when teams like Sarries and Wasps played in parks) to support the new team from the core. A little disproportionate investment from the centre then, and the world would be very different now. The Americans are the worlds best at creating and building sports businesses in new markets, and they all - to the last one - take a “whole sport” approach to market expansion. And even then it doesn’t always work; but it does more often 

 

> Toronto are being even more left out on a limb than London. It’s comical. We don’t even let them have their share, their equal share, of the TV money. Despite them inevitably being a strong draw for audiences in 2020. Let alone provide any other central strategy or support.

 

As a London fan I’m amazed you lack empathy for their position. Watching the usual small-minded people bash Toronto whilst these days suddenly being more generous to London (there’s a new “other” in town) depresses the hell out of me.

 

As ever, our great game, whose rules have evolved to a phenomenal customer experience through the fire of 125 years’ battle for paying eyeballs, continues to shoot itself in the foot when someone actually comes along with a structural idea that might provide the potential of a step-change... how depressing 

 

Well said. Thank you.

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3 hours ago, Kayakman said:

Are you Parky?

Bro please trust me on this.  When you know im right your going to buy me a wolfpack season ticket !

He posts nothing like parky.

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5 hours ago, PatrickB said:

What a load of rubbish. Yes... rubbish!

Beer the #1 attraction? 
Is a team selling beer at a sporting event a novel idea to you.

Just because we do it better than other teams, doesn't take away from the product on the field that has also been top notch for the levels we've been in for 3 years.

Also, I've paid to go to every home game for 3 years.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but you don't get to create the facts.

Maybe spend more time focusing working on your teams deficiencies, whoever than may be, than putting down a team that has been extremely successful, given it's only 3 years old.

 

There has always been a weird thing in RL where people have criticised RU for example saying fans are there for the corporate part, or the car park boozing rather than the sport. They rather missed the point that making the package around the match desirable is the way to go. 

It is how a club can go from not existing to 10k fans in 3 years. There is this weird thing that RL is a good enough sport to not have to make an effort, when all the evidence says otherwise. 

When I go to any sporting event it is part of a day out, I expect decent food and drink, decent facilities and good service as well as the actual sport. 

Enjoy your Rugby and good luck this season!

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6 hours ago, PatrickB said:

It's one thing to have an opinion, but you don't get to create the facts.

I think you'll find that on every thread, on every part of the forum that's just what people are doing.

But I like your post.

Didn't Yorkshire Prose have a poem about people needing to cheer up a bit?


"It is, by a million miles, a better sport than union. League is 80 minutes of physicality, speed, good handling, good kicking. It’s continuous."

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3 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:


Mate, I’ve been watching Broncos since the first time I moved to London in 1999. As one of the many heartlands supporters who went along, it started as a way to get the fix whilst I’d I’m honest not committing to the cause. But you get sucked in eventually - the highs and the lows. Two key things I learned versus my original love of sitting in the Millward Stand at Rervers...

 

1. Up north people take for granted how embedded the club already is in the community. From a get people to games perspective, but also from a talent pipeline perspective. Broncos had to create everything from scratch, sometimes appallingly, sometimes with some success. But I got a new found humility comparing Rovers’ crowds of born-and-breds with every hard-won ticket sales (or even persuading a mate to come for free when not in their culture)...

 

> Toronto have bloody nailed this, it’s amazing, and as a marketer and business leader by day I can’t begin to describe how impressed I am. Paid tickets, memberships and junior programmes will follow this awareness. If only Fulham and various incarnations had this platform in Year 4. 


2. With London, Rugby League missed a huge opportunity (especially pre 1995 when teams like Sarries and Wasps played in parks) to support the new team from the core. A little disproportionate investment from the centre then, and the world would be very different now. The Americans are the worlds best at creating and building sports businesses in new markets, and they all - to the last one - take a “whole sport” approach to market expansion. And even then it doesn’t always work; but it does more often 

 

> Toronto are being even more left out on a limb than London. It’s comical. We don’t even let them have their share, their equal share, of the TV money. Despite them inevitably being a strong draw for audiences in 2020. Let alone provide any other central strategy or support.

 

As a London fan I’m amazed you lack empathy for their position. Watching the usual small-minded people bash Toronto whilst these days suddenly being more generous to London (there’s a new “other” in town) depresses the hell out of me.

 

As ever, our great game, whose rules have evolved to a phenomenal customer experience through the fire of 125 years’ battle for paying eyeballs, continues to shoot itself in the foot when someone actually comes along with a structural idea that might provide the potential of a step-change... how depressing 

 

Great post.

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34 minutes ago, NOS4A2 said:

Are Toronto Wolfpack Marketing team streets ahead of anyone else in the game? Quite Possibly.

Does this make them a Major club? Not at all.

Could other SL clubs learn from the match day experience at Lamport? Absolutely.

Can the wolfpack learn from the other clubs about staying under the cap...you bet they can!

It wouldn't surprise me to see 5 or so players being shipped in from the NSW cup with a dispensation on finance as well as overseas quota. If this does happen and a club like Wakefield or Huddersfield or god forbid HKR go down as a result of this, expect the court cases to go on for a few years.

Before you jump on the "give them time" bandwagon, ask yourself how much you are willing to sell the game's soul for. Argyle is trying to buy it and we're letting him.

Cool, none of that is related to any of my post. 

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28 minutes ago, NOS4A2 said:

I've not created any facts. Just quoted the realities. 

Never said you did just said it's rife, not unusal and part of the make up of the forum.

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And now for the health warning

Devoted football fans experience 'dangerous' levels of stress, suggests study

"Dr. Martha Newson, a researcher at the Centre for the Study of Social Cohesion at Oxford, said: "Fans who are strongly fused with their team - that is, have a strong sense of being 'one' with their team - experience the greatest physiological stress response when watching a match, Fans who are more casual supporters also experience stress but not so extremely."

So "Blow That Whistle Ref!"

 


"It is, by a million miles, a better sport than union. League is 80 minutes of physicality, speed, good handling, good kicking. It’s continuous."

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