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I think instead clubs planning pride days and making players wear rainbow shoe laces why not just have a diversity day or an inclusion day where everyone differences and our ability to get along and or agree to disagree are respected despite differences in age, gender, race, sexual orientation and religion?

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12 minutes ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

I think instead clubs planning pride days and making players wear rainbow shoe laces why not just have a diversity day or an inclusion day where everyone differences and our ability to get along and or agree to disagree are respected despite differences in age, gender, race, sexual orientation and religion?

That makes sense and would send out a message of what tolerance is.

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1 minute ago, RayCee said:

That makes sense and would send out a message of what tolerance is.

Society needs more tolerance and inclusion especial to a divisive issue where it can become people shouting there views at each other and no one listening what anyone else has to say

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4 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

Society needs more tolerance and inclusion especial to a divisive issue where it can become people shouting there views at each other and no one listening what anyone else has to say

I see that every single day here.  Maybe 10 times.  It’s gets everyone nowhere and highlights ignorance.

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7 hours ago, Hull Kingston Bronco said:

A few thoughts, fwiw...

- Folau is an idiot with medieval religious views. But let's recognise they're English missionaries' views foisted on manipulated people before we start looking down our nose at the Polynesians. Britain's own culture of diversity is pretty recent, and even then not secure everywhere by a very long shot.  

- I don't think unpleasant thoughts or words are worth a lifetime ban. Unless we are going to ban serial wife beaters - and I haven't seen that yet (and there might be one at my own club).  

- If he expressed remorse he would be hypocritical, his religion is deeply held and we wouldn't believe him. But if he's at least learned that words have impact on others and should be moderated, so doesn't repeat them, then that's a long way from his position 12 months ago vs. Rugby Australia and might be worth rolling with 

- Publicity-wise, get real this has actually been a positive. I don't believe all publicity is good publicity, but the basic story is "one isolated club ditched their morals for on-field advantage, but the other clubs are visibly disgusted" plus throughout the season "fans demonstrate how inclusive the rugby league community is by protesting against Folau"... let's be honest, unseemly as it all is, it shows us overall in a good light and has got us shedloads of coverage in the first fortnight when we're up against the 6 Nations

 

 

 

You’re deluded with your last sentence of you actually believe that. 

Rugby league has come across as a backward sport with no regard for minorities. RL welcomes medieval bigot who was banned elsewhere, that’s the story. 

Now this isn’t true (welcoming a bigot) as it was the act of one club, and SL felt its hands were tied, so in effect one no-mark owner of a club from the south of France has dragged the sport in England through the dirt.

You second para, yeah, obviously, ban every degenerate. Unless you have no qualms cheering on a mindless thug who bashes women away from the field? The Aussie product is a dreadful watch with its ultra structured, no risk, attritional five drives (I didn’t give it long, I’d seen enough), but even more so knowing the game there is rampant with domestic abusers. They talk about doing something about it, not aware anything has been done.

It’s not been a good week for Robert Elstone, but he has shown he is a man of integrity by stating SL got it wrong. Many others would have tried to sweep it under the carpet and let it die down, but he has confronted it head on. What SL could have done I haven’t yet heard. 

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5 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

I think instead clubs planning pride days and making players wear rainbow shoe laces why not just have a diversity day or an inclusion day where everyone differences and our ability to get along and or agree to disagree are respected despite differences in age, gender, race, sexual orientation and religion?

Do both.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/article-7976059/MARTIN-SAMUEL-COLUMN-exclusion-answer-problem-like-Israel-Folau.html

The bit on Neil Hudgell is on the money (no pun intended). 

Maybe Super League clubs should show how inclusive they are by having a day celebrating drunks and idolators? They could call it "RL Fans Day."

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Although I’m no believer in the snowflake culture I’m not sure how much more Falau can take of this? To be told in no uncertain terms you are not wanted so publicly must be damaging to his mental health! 
if he is hounded out of the sport would he have a claim for constructive dismissal? The guy said these things whilst under other employment, this is new employment and we should I believe get behind him and the sport ; we are damaging our own reputation by the constant negative comments.

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7 hours ago, ckn said:

In a sign that internet cross-tracking is getting out of hand, this tweet was literally just shown as suggested in my twitter feed. 

 

That’s not the internet cross tracking.. it’s all gods influence!! :kolobok_ph34r:

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The LGBT community makes up around 2% of the Uk population and a fraction will possibly of heard of Rugby league , feels like we are letting the tail wag the dog at times ! Concentrate on the positives and our actual market rather than us all having to wear our hair braided with rainbow shoe laces!

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This seems to be a lot of white-splaining to a Person of Colour on how he should think and also about if he should be allowed to work in a certain field. Definitely talking down to him because they know better.

#Rasism 😉

 

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8 minutes ago, iangidds said:

The LGBT community makes up around 2% of the Uk population and a fraction will possibly of heard of Rugby league , feels like we are letting the tail wag the dog at times ! Concentrate on the positives and our actual market rather than us all having to wear our hair braided with rainbow shoe laces!

That's alright then: there aren't many of them so it's not an issue.

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20 minutes ago, iangidds said:

The guy said these things whilst under other employment, this is new employment

Has he changed his views?


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2 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Has he changed his views?

Is he not allowed those views? And why should his views, which haven't broken any laws, stop him from being employed by a company? 🤔 

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The Christian right (in the form of the ADF) now taking notice of RL and putting it in the spectator which must be a first. Once again totally missing the point that freedom of expression/speech/views does not equate to freedom from judgement by others.

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27 minutes ago, iangidds said:

The LGBT community makes up around 2% of the Uk population and a fraction will possibly of heard of Rugby league , feels like we are letting the tail wag the dog at times ! Concentrate on the positives and our actual market rather than us all having to wear our hair braided with rainbow shoe laces!

With respect Ian, that is a despicable view. 

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15 hours ago, whatmichaelsays said:

Since this story broke last week, we have had (off the top of my head):

  • A very confused and flawed statement following a meeting of Super League clubs.
  • Keegan Hirst expressing his disapproval.
  • Michael Carter calling SL a "league of last resort".
  • Neil Hudgell threatening suprious legal action.
  • Steve McNamara defending the signing.
  • Bernard Guash defending the signing.
  • Robert Elstone complaining that he couldn't prevent the signing (sentiments he has since repeated AGAIN today).
  • The RFL stating that they couldn't prevent the signing.
  • Chris Chester suggesting that has been told that he can't talk about it. 
  • Eammon McManus complaining about the signing.
  • Huddersfield making a public point of hastily getting a batch of rainbow laces. 

All of these actions have thrown more gas onto the dying embers of this story. This is something the sport is willingly doing - none of these people are being coerced by the press. 

By all means present a stratgic, united statement, but then move on.

The way that this has been handled by Super League and the clubs shows terrible PR management - the sort that makes you thankful that this sport doesn't get the sort of media attention that many think it deserves. 

I would have thought that Michael Carter on passing judgement on this when he should be sorting out the dump of a ground Wakey have, but that's a debate for another day.

Eammon McManus signing Ben Barba shows his true colours.

Neil Hudgell should be more concerned with SKD i would have thought and the signing of Ben Cockayne in the recent past

I think we have some double standards here by some.

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29 minutes ago, iangidds said:

The LGBT community makes up around 2% of the Uk population and a fraction will possibly of heard of Rugby league , feels like we are letting the tail wag the dog at times ! Concentrate on the positives and our actual market rather than us all having to wear our hair braided with rainbow shoe laces!

Mate come on. Jews only made up 0.75% of the population of Germany in 1933 did that make that tail wag the dog then? 

People never have to wear rainbow laces but some choose to do so to show solidarity and support just like people choose to wear poppies for example. You don't even have to have gay mates or anything like that, its just showing that in a world with some pretty awful people in it who throw gays off buildings or force chemical conversion therapy or beat gay people up in the street, that you're a friend and a nice person. 

There are of course cases of "SJW" stuff being rammed down our throats, but I don't think this is one of them.

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55 minutes ago, Wiltshire Rhino said:

Is he not allowed those views? And why should his views, which haven't broken any laws, stop him from being employed by a company? 🤔 

 

Would you want Folau talking about his views on homosexuals whilst you paid and employed him and he was wearing your company logo?

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1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Has he changed his views?

Why should he?

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43 minutes ago, Dave T said:

With respect Ian, that is a despicable view. 

I accept that Dave, we don’t all have the same views though

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1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

That's alright then: there aren't many of them so it's not an issue.

The issue is let’s concentrate on our game rather than trying to be all things to all people

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13 minutes ago, iangidds said:

Why should he?

 

Are there any views a professional Rugby League player could publicly hold that you feel would make it impossible, or at least difficult, for him to be employed in the sport? If he had a swastika tattooed on his arm perhaps? Seriously, is there any line in the sand for any player (not just very very good players) to stay behind?

 

p.s would a poster in this forum be welcome if he had Folau's views and made them known?

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