Scotland RL

[langpark]

8 hours ago, stookie said:

Out of curiosity, is it "Scotland A" because it is only domestic players, or is it the second Scotland 17 (ie including domestic players in the top 17)?

The former, sadly. 

[Gomersall]

19 minutes ago, langpark said:

The former, sadly. 

Why sadly lp? This gives the domestic players a goal to aim for. I hope they can play a few more games using only domestic players. Shipping in heritage players all the time just turns players off IMO. It’ll be interesting to see how the two teams match up.

[langpark]

26 minutes ago, Gomersall said:

Why sadly lp? This gives the domestic players a goal to aim for. I hope they can play a few more games using only domestic players. Shipping in heritage players all the time just turns players off IMO. It’ll be interesting to see how the two teams match up.

Agree with you. So why not just call it plain Scotland? Afraid of losing a match? Let these local lads (the future of Scottish RL) get full international honours, and not this patronising "A" rubbish. 

[Gomersall]

42 minutes ago, langpark said:

Agree with you. So why not just call it plain Scotland? Afraid of losing a match? Let these local lads (the future of Scottish RL) get full international honours, and not this patronising "A" rubbish. 

Agree.

[stookie]

18 hours ago, langpark said:

Agree with you. So why not just call it plain Scotland? Afraid of losing a match? Let these local lads (the future of Scottish RL) get full international honours, and not this patronising "A" rubbish. 

Yep exactly. National RL bodies can choose their international teams as they want, so why not just call it the Scotland team even with 100% domestic players. Is it so they don't annoy their heritage players?

I would think Netherlands would be a good fit for Scotland domestic players. Similar number of men's teams, and it sounds like many/most players are RU players in their off-seasons. So, just call it "Scotland". Then you get ranking points for playing, players are credited with international honours, etc.

[2blackrooks]

On 25/06/2024 at 12:22, stookie said:

Out of curiosity, is it "Scotland A" because it is only domestic players, or is it the second Scotland 17 (ie including domestic players in the top 17)?

As far as I’m aware it’s Scotland A which was a plan to re introduce from the new management structure, giving local lads an opportunity to improve and represent Scotland, 

[2blackrooks]

Busy week for the domestic game, last week saw Forth Valley defeat Edinburgh 38-14 in Edinburgh and tomorrow Forth take on Glasgow at Hillfoots 2pm KO 

whoever wins has a home tie in the semis

Edinburgh have already qualified for the final Meanwhile our U19s are away playing in the Euros 

They meet USA on Sunday, USA making their debut here and if the Scots win then France awaits in the semis 

Lose then they will meet either Serbia or Ukraine in the 5th 6th playoff match 

[Sports Prophet]

On 25/06/2024 at 17:36, Gomersall said:

 

When people talk about domestic player quotas for international competition, I am always against it. This fixture here is a great example of how domestic players can be suitably rewarded for their RL participation.

[eal]

So the real Scottish RL players can only aspire to Scotland A honours, while full Scotland honours are reserved for the Australians and English who are flown in just for the World Cup? Seems about right.

[Gomersall]

7 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

When people talk about domestic player quotas for international competition, I am always against it. This fixture here is a great example of how domestic players can be suitably rewarded for their RL participation.

Agree but they should be rewarded with a full cap as mentioned previously. Get rid of the A team concept IMO unless it’s actually a valid proposition.

[Sports Prophet]

8 hours ago, eal said:

So the real Scottish RL players can only aspire to Scotland A honours, while full Scotland honours are reserved for the Australians and English who are flown in just for the World Cup? Seems about right.

Who said that? If the domestic players are in the best number of eligible players a squad allows, then in they go. If they aren’t, then they aren’t. Toughen up champ.

[Damien]

I'm with @Sports Prophet on this and Im not a fan of quotas. I don't particularly believe in giving amateur domestic players spots for the sake of it.

I am much more of a fan though of having much stricter requirements regarding domestic setups before nations can compete in World Cups or qualifiers. Nations should also be competing in competitions at their level which should mean domestic players are getting a shot.

The IRL thankfully now seem to be enforcing this with the recent demotion of Ireland and Scotland to affiliate membership level and them, as well as others like Italy, no longer eligible for World Cups.

[corkonian77]

8 hours ago, Damien said:

I'm with @Sports Prophet on this and Im not a fan of quotas. I don't particularly believe in giving amateur domestic players spots for the sake of it.

I am much more of a fan though of having much stricter requirements regarding domestic setups before nations can compete in World Cups or qualifiers. Nations should also be competing in competitions at their level which should mean domestic players are getting a shot.

The IRL thankfully now seem to be enforcing this with the recent demotion of Ireland and Scotland to affiliate membership level and them, as well as others like Italy, no longer eligible for World Cups.

The players  that play in the domestic  system in Ireland  tend to play for Junior or not top division Senior  Rugby Union clubs in Ireland.  

While the NRL and Super League  players are  Provincal Rugby Union standard players. 

The A teams are the equivalent  to the Engand C Football  teams which is made up of National  League players. 

Edited July 13, 2024 by corkonian77
Better wording.

[langpark]

Scotland, it seems, have named only TWO local players in their squad for the Euro U19 Championship, which starts tomorrow. 

https://www.intrl.sport/article/198/clearys-cousin-phoenix-death-to-represent-ukraine-at-u19s-euros?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3ySJYLEWC25hYzQkFUycO6AWx007Mu7DZauAutaVfRkJtzTITkMYtyLjg_aem_0zDBgyLEMFVX2NL5whInyg 

 

[corkonian77]

59 minutes ago, langpark said:

Scotland, it seems, have named only TWO local players in their squad for the Euro U19 Championship, which starts tomorrow. 

https://www.intrl.sport/article/198/clearys-cousin-phoenix-death-to-represent-ukraine-at-u19s-euros?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3ySJYLEWC25hYzQkFUycO6AWx007Mu7DZauAutaVfRkJtzTITkMYtyLjg_aem_0zDBgyLEMFVX2NL5whInyg 

 

It's virtually  impossible  for Scottish/ Irish players to get up to the standard  of heritage  players. 

 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2024 by corkonian77

[Gomersall]

15 minutes ago, corkonian77 said:

It's virtually  impossible  for Scottish/ Irish players to get up to the standard  of heritage  players. 

 

 

 

It’s totally impossible if they’re never given the opportunity to play for their country.

[Sports Prophet]

2 hours ago, corkonian77 said:

It's virtually  impossible  for Scottish/ Irish players to get up to the standard  of heritage  players. 

 

 

 

This is a development tournament, the primary aim should be to give opportunity for as many domestic youngsters as possible to develop their skills and reward their participation.

In saying that, I ask the question, is there any junior activity taking place in Scotland?

[corkonian77]

3 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

This is a development tournament, the primary aim should be to give opportunity for as many domestic youngsters as possible to develop their skills and reward their participation.

In saying that, I ask the question, is there any junior activity taking place in Scotland?

I doubt very  much of it. 

 

 

[langpark]

20 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

Who said that? If the domestic players are in the best number of eligible players a squad allows, then in they go. If they aren’t, then they aren’t. Toughen up champ.

It is people like you, that will still be "baffled" as to why there is nothing going on in Scotland, when we are having this exact same conversation 20 years from now. 

[Henson Park Old Firm]

1 minute ago, langpark said:

It is people like you, that will still be "baffled" as to why there is nothing going on in Scotland, when we are having this exact same conversation 20 years from now. 

Are you implying it's coming home?

[Sports Prophet]

3 hours ago, langpark said:

It is people like you, that will still be "baffled" as to why there is nothing going on in Scotland, when we are having this exact same conversation 20 years from now. 

Using heritage players in major competitions is not what is holding Scotland back. What is holding Scotland back is a lack of any strategy or governance from the RFL to grow the sport outside the M62 belt.

[OriginalMrC]

15 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

Using heritage players in major competitions is not what is holding Scotland back. What is holding Scotland back is a lack of any strategy or governance from the RFL to grow the sport outside the M62 belt.

It's not the job of the RFL to grow the game in Scotland. The fact is there's more activity going on in the Midlands than in Scotland and Ireland combined. The organisations in both of those countries need to change what they are doing because the game is going backwards in both of those countries.

[Sports Prophet]

2 minutes ago, OriginalMrC said:

It's not the job of the RFL to grow the game in Scotland. The fact is there's more activity going on in the Midlands than in Scotland and Ireland combined. The organisations in both of those countries need to change what they are doing because the game is going backwards in both of those countries.

It actually is the job of the RFL to grow the game in Scotland.

[OriginalMrC]

19 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

It actually is the job of the RFL to grow the game in Scotland.

The RFL are the governing body in England. Im pretty sure their strategy documents make no reference to growing the sport in Scotland. Scotland have their own governing body (Scotland Rugby League) which receives support from the RFL. It is Scotland Rugby League who are responsible for growing the game in Scotland and a pretty awful job they are doing.

It's a pretty convenient excuse to blame the RFL for everything but at a grassroots level they are doing good work across England. The community game outside the heartlands is growing and participation numbers are up. The women's, PDRL and Wheelchair Rugby are all growing year on year. 

[Gomersall]

1 minute ago, OriginalMrC said:

The RFL are the governing body in England. Im pretty sure their strategy documents make no reference to growing the sport in Scotland. Scotland have their own governing body (Scotland Rugby League) which receives support from the RFL. It is Scotland Rugby League who are responsible for growing the game in Scotland and a pretty awful job they are doing.

It's a pretty convenient excuse to blame the RFL for everything but at a grassroots level they are doing good work across England. The community game outside the heartlands is growing and participation numbers are up. The women's, PDRL and Wheelchair Rugby are all growing year on year. 

I’m pretty sure the RFL have it documented that it’s their remit to foster (for want of a better word) the game in Great Britain and not just England.