Rugby League World Cup 2021 (Merged Threads)

[Maximus Decimus]

1 hour ago, graveyard johnny said:

seems a bit of a swizz that its impossible for the 2 best teams to reach the final to play each other 

As has been gone over in great detail before, IMO they should be able to technically face each other, as any teams should, but not as a reward for being the best two teams.

There actually was no seeding for the 4 groups despite what many use as justification, but even if there were they wouldn't be kept opposite Australia for the reasons outlined. 

[Archie Gordon]

4 minutes ago, Northern Eel said:

Sadly, I am not sure if the top tier of the Leazes West Corner has ever been open for sales. The rest of the L7 tier is, however, open.

I think we will be looking at a crowd in the region of 42k, as a guess.

I don't think the Milburn Stand part of L7 has ever been on sale either. I think we may be stuck at about 37k.

[Maximus Decimus]

2 hours ago, JonM said:

Well, remember that England lost their warm up against Italy in 2013. You would think that not getting injured would be the priority.

Looking at the match report, it seems Greece had their Aussie contingent over in Athens for a bit of culture before flying here, and Bradford took an early 20 odd point lead before Greece hit back. They may well give France a good game next Monday.

If they'd drew 34-34 with a SL side there might be some comfort but to only draw with an out of season middling Championship side doesn't  bode too well.

[Maximus Decimus]

1 minute ago, Archie Gordon said:

I don't think the Milburn Stand part of L7 has ever been on sale either. I think we may be stuck at about 37k.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they announced they'd sold 38k at one point.

[Maximus Decimus]

21 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

I'm starting to think the same. Otherwise, there would have been an update regarding ticket sales at today's launch event.

In my experience, we're always a little disappointed when basing it on possible ticket sales. My guess is that we'll end up shy of 40k.

[Maximus Decimus]

4 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

I don't think the Milburn Stand part of L7 has ever been on sale either. I think we may be stuck at about 37k.

Got to bear in mind that 15k unsold would be a sizeable chunk, representing 30%ish so there's bound to be large sections empty.

[Big Picture]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

I can't debate with something that is just made up. 

The government have clearly stated they have paid towards the cost of staging the tournament for the stated benefits. Its not complicated. 

Governments, councils, regional boards etc. invest in sport all of the time. 

 It's not made up, it's based on what they said about the reasons for the funding, namely to help put the tournament on.  That doesn't mean pay for most of it or provide most of its revenue, far from it.

They clearly said that they expect an economic impact of 75 million £ for their 25 million £ investment, or triple the amount they invested.  The target of 750,000 tickets sold was set then too, and simple math tells us that they anticipate that the economic impact to be 100 £ per ticket sold on average.

That might seem like a lot considering that local fans won't be spending money on hotels and maybe not a lot on food and drinks, but it's a lot less than the comparable figure for the 2014 British Open Golf Championship at the Royal Liverpool.  The economic impact of that tournament was also said to be 75 million £ and the total attendance was 202,917 so the economic impact works out to 369.60 £ per ticket.  We know that RL fans don't have the same sort of money as golf fans though, so the ratio for the RL World Cup will certainly be less.

If they hit that sales target at the prices they've set, I estimate that the total ticket revenue will be 25 million £ or more.  Consequently the total economic impact will not exceed three times the total ticket revenue and may be somewhat less than that.  Therefore the total economic impact can be estimated from the total ticket revenue by some simple math.  Now see below:

1 hour ago, Just Browny said:

I don't think I even understand who would be interested in this information, besides about 7 people on TotalRL.com, never mind how bad it would look.

From what I've read Northern Powerhouse has been criticized for having vague and unfocused aims and failing to meet such aims as it's understood to have.  Unless I'm mistaken no other Northern Powerhouse initiative has had or will have anything like the national coverage of this World Cup being splashed all over the BBC for a month.

Politically then, the government needs this to be seen as a success for Northern Powerhouse so it can then say those criticisms were wrong.  They need something they can crow about to shut the critics up and achieving the economic impact of 75 million £ — which was the stated rationale for them giving the money they did in the first place — would fill that bill nicely.  Failing to achieve that impact on the other hand would just give the critics more ammunition and the further short it is the more ammunition it will give them.

Therefore, the tournament needs to come as close to 75 million £ of economic impact as possible, and from the math I showed above they need as close as possible to 750,000 tickets sold at the stated prices.  They'll be well and truly in the spotlight and depending on the ticket sales figures they could be either the government's darling or they could be its goat.

I hope that's all plain enough for everyone here to understand.

[graveyard johnny]

so it hasn't  been swizzed a bit to try and give the host nation a better chance of reaching the final rather than the two bookies favourites with the worlds best players in their ranks facing each other in the final?

[Northern Eel]

8 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Got to bear in mind that 15k unsold would be a sizeable chunk, representing 30%ish so there's bound to be large sections empty.

The top tier around the Millburn/West Corner/Leazes is probably about 10kish capacity. There are tickets being sold in the section behind the sticks and therefore, there will probably be about 7-8k unsold over the top tier areas. If you add another couple of thousand for the lower area, then 40k it is. 

[Balmainboy]

20 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

If they'd drew 34-34 with a SL side there might be some comfort but to only draw with an out of season middling Championship side doesn't  bode too well.

I believe all the NRL/NSW cup players started on the bench, hence Bradford racing out to a 20-0 lead. But yes, they're probably going to get pumped. 

[Toby Chopra]

40k for the opener would be disappointing on one level given we hit 46k in 2013, but on the other hand given the pricing this year's match will generate MUCH more revenue than 2013. 

Plus, selling 40k tickets for a game not including Aus or NZ is also a big step forward. I'd like think that means a semi final vs Tonga could then sell 50k+.

The atmosphere at an 80% full SJP will also be pretty decent, so it should still feel like a strong start to the tournament. 

[graveyard johnny]

and we could play samoa twice without ever facing aus or nz?  is that right?

[Dave T]

7 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

 It's not made up, it's based on what they said about the reasons for the funding, namely to help put the tournament on.  That doesn't mean pay for most of it or provide most of its revenue, far from it.

They clearly said that they expect an economic impact of 75 million £ for their 25 million £ investment, or triple the amount they invested.  The target of 750,000 tickets sold was set then too, and simple math tells us that they anticipate that the economic impact to be 100 £ per ticket sold on average.

That might seem like lot considering that local fans won't be spending money on hotels and maybe not a lot on food and drinks, but it's a lot less than the comparable figure for the 2014 British Open Golf Championship at the Royal Liverpool.  The economic impact of that tournament was also said to be 75 million £ and the total attendance was 202,917 so the economic impact works out to 369.60 £ per ticket.  We know that RL fans don't have the sort of money as golf fans though, so the ratio for the RL World Cup will certainly be less.

If they hit that sales target at the prices they've set, I estimate that the total ticket revenue will be 25 million £ or more.  Consequently the total economic impact will not exceed three times the total ticket revenue and may be somewhat less than that.  Therefore the total economic impact can be estimated from the total ticket revenue by some simple math.  Now see below:

From what I've read Northern Powerhouse has been criticized for having vague and unfocused aims and failing to meet such aims as it's understood to have.  Unless I'm mistaken no other Northern Powerhouse initiative has had or will have anything like the national coverage of this World Cup being splashed all over the BBC for a month.

Politically then, the government needs this to be seen as a success for Northern Powerhouse so it can then say those criticisms were wrong.  They need something they can crow about to shut the critics up and achieving the economic impact of 75 million £ — which was the stated rationale for them giving the money they did in the first place — would fill that bill nicely.  Failing to achieve that impact on the other hand would just give the critics more ammunition.

Therefore, the tournament needs to come as close to 75 million £ of economic impact as possible, and from the math I showed above they need as close as possible to 750,000 tickets sold at the stated prices.  They'll be well and truly in the spotlight and depending on the ticket sales figures they could be either the government's darling or they could be its goat.

I hope that's all plain enough for everyone here to understand.

Ticket sales are not included in the economic benefits for hosts. The impact at Newcastle this weekend will be based on new spend in the city, hotels, retail, bars, restaurants etc. 

40k of us buying tickets from RLWC does not benefit Newcastle who are staging the games. 

[Dave T]

6 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

40k for the opener would be disappointing on one level given we hit 46k in 2013, but on the other hand given the pricing this year's match will generate MUCH more revenue than 2013. 

Plus, selling 40k tickets for a game not including Aus or NZ is also a big step forward. I'd like think that means a semi final vs Tonga could then sell 50k+.

The atmosphere at an 80% full SJP will also be pretty decent, so it should still feel like a strong start to the tournament. 

At first look, yes 40k may appear disappointing.

However, my understanding is that it would be the largest international crowd for a game not involving the big three playing each other. 

[Spidey]

10 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

and we could play samoa twice without ever facing aus or nz?  is that right?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Rugby_League_World_Cup

[Dunbar]

48 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

and we could play samoa twice without ever facing aus or nz?  is that right?

Edit.

[Big Picture]

3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Ticket sales are not included in the economic benefits for hosts. The impact at Newcastle this weekend will be based on new spend in the city, hotels, retail, bars, restaurants etc. 

40k of us buying tickets from RLWC does not benefit Newcastle who are staging the games. 

So on that basis, to hit the target economic impact and give the government something it can crow about and shut its critics up, the tournament needs to sell the 750,000 tickets and then see the ticket buyers all spend an average of 100 £ per match each in hotels, retail, bars, restaurants, etc.  You've just illustrated why Jon Dutton's feeling so much pressure.

And you think that 40,000 of us buying tickets for a match in Newcastle and going there to watch said match doesn't benefit Newcastle eh?

[graveyard johnny]

3 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

As I tell my 9 year old daughter when she is doing her homework... you really should try and work it out for yourself before asking. 

thanks - i have difficulty with things like that though due to something I wont go in to too much detail about - but thanks for the funny answer

[Dunbar]

4 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

And you think that 40,000 of us buying tickets for a match in Newcastle and going there to watch said match doesn't benefit Newcastle eh?

You just quoted the post where he literally said it did.

[Bedfordshire Bronco]

42 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

As has been gone over in great detail before, IMO they should be able to technically face each other, as any teams should, but not as a reward for being the best two teams.

There actually was no seeding for the 4 groups despite what many use as justification, but even if there were they wouldn't be kept opposite Australia for the reasons outlined. 

 

16 minutes ago, graveyard johnny said:

and we could play samoa twice without ever facing aus or nz?  is that right?

It's to do with rankings Johnny....Aussies arent ranked number one

[Dave T]

4 minutes ago, Big Picture said:

So on that basis, to hit the target economic impact and give the government something it can crow about and shut its critics up, the tournament needs to sell the 750,000 tickets and then see the ticket buyers all spend an average of 100 £ per match each in hotels, retail, bars, restaurants, etc.  You've just illustrated why Jon Dutton's feeling so much pressure.

And you think that 40,000 of us buying tickets for a match in Newcastle and going there to watch said match doesn't benefit Newcastle eh?

You really should try and read, because tbh, I feel like I'm speaking to a toddler. 

The £1-£2m in ticket sales for this event does not benefit Newcastle, it does not count in the economic benefit for Newcastle City. 

The economic impact of the 2013 WC to Wales and England was c£38m. This year we hope to see bigger crowds, we'll stage more events and none will be held in Ireland and France. 

I suggest that if you don't know about economic impacts and how they are calculated, you stop just making things up and wasting everyone's time. Or you could go and read about it. 

[saintspete83]

35,000 for SJP was announced on the 27th September, that will be 17 full days before the game kicks off. Since then, the Kaiser Chiefs have been announced and media coverage has ramped up. I myself only purchased tickets last week. Personally, if they are not able to sell another 5k and top 40,000 from the 27th of September then that will be disappointing. 

I'll be optimistic and go with 42,500. from what I have seen on TV when magic weekend is on then that will give a decent image to the tv viewers. 

[graveyard johnny]

10 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

 

It's to do with rankings Johnny....Aussies arent ranked number one

I only wanted to know if we could play Samoa twice without ever facing aus or nz - again sorry but unable to work out charts, timetables and graphs amongst other things due to ........ well just can't anyway - thanks to some posters for the sarcasm though 

[Dave T]

3 minutes ago, saintspete83 said:

35,000 for SJP was announced on the 27th September, that will be 17 full days before the game kicks off. Since then, the Kaiser Chiefs have been announced and media coverage has ramped up. I myself only purchased tickets last week. Personally, if they are not able to sell another 5k and top 40,000 from the 27th of September then that will be disappointing. 

I'll be optimistic and go with 42,500. from what I have seen on TV when magic weekend is on then that will give a decent image to the tv viewers. 

My personal view is I'd hope they could get an extra 10k and make it 45k, but tbh, the fact they haven't given a further update makes me worry. 

[graveyard johnny]

5 minutes ago, saintspete83 said:

35,000 for SJP was announced on the 27th September,  Since then, the Kaiser Chiefs have been announced 

resulting in 16000 refunds