This week's disciplinary.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

They really should make it a weekly TV series. It would rival Eastenders for viewing figures

None of that southern muck, coronation Street for me

[Agbrigg]

Wellsby and Knowles will get what they deserve, but to me the worst offender in that game was Makinson, it was blatant cheating and desrves far more than the cop out yellow he got from Kendal.

[Chris22]

Two games for Knowles, zero for Welsby according to John Davidson.

[Jughead]

Two for Knowles and nothing for Welsby, which is right. Saints to appeal Knowles’ ban. 

I’m not sure why we’re appealing, it was pretty clear and we should get another added for a frivolous appeal. 

[LeeF]

4 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Two for Knowles and nothing for Welsby, which is right. Saints to appeal Knowles’ ban. 

I’m not sure why we’re appealing, it was pretty clear and we should get another added for a frivolous appeal. 

It depends exactly what he is charged with & the basis for the appeal. If it’s as poor as Leeds was in the Martin case then it should be deemed frivolous but if it has some real reason & rationale then, irrespective of the outcome, the appeal isn’t frivolous. 

[LeeF]

Welsby got a Grade A charge, as mentioned earlier in this thread, but due to a lack of previous he received a zero match ban

[Chrispmartha]

I thought Welsby had a previous ban?

[LeeF]

2 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

I thought Welsby had a previous ban?

The lower Graded bans are calculated automatically based on grading & previous within a set time frame so can’t have met the criteria.
 

You can check easily enough on the RFL site via a search. Mind you the site is not loading at the moment probably due to everyone trying to load it for some reason

[LeeF]

Bateman charged with a Grade D striking charge. The ban ranges from 3 to 5 matches so presumably out of the World Cup if found guilty

[Chrispmartha]

Just now, LeeF said:

The lower Graded bans are calculated automatically based on grading & previous within a set time frame so can’t have met the criteria.
 

You can check easily enough on the RFL site via a search. Mind you the site is not loading at the moment probably due to everyone trying to load it for some reason

https://www.saintsrlfc.com/2022/07/18/matautia-and-knowles-banned-but-welsby-free-to-play/
 

Welsby got a grade A in July, I thought that meant next grade A is a 1 match ban?

[LeeF]

1 minute ago, Chrispmartha said:

https://www.saintsrlfc.com/2022/07/18/matautia-and-knowles-banned-but-welsby-free-to-play/
 

Welsby got a grade A in July, I thought that meant next grade A is a 1 match ban?

The lower end bans are automatic dependant upon previous & grading etc so presumably not. As I said you can’t check on the RFL site for the definitive answer as Ralph has switched the server off

[FearTheVee]

No ban for Welsby, ban for Knowles - sounds like common sense to me.

Don’t think we should be appealing the knowes ban unless the point is to try and get him free for the first game of the WC? Or do England have a friendly it can be used in?

Edited September 19, 2022 by FearTheVee

[LeeF]

9 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

https://www.saintsrlfc.com/2022/07/18/matautia-and-knowles-banned-but-welsby-free-to-play/
 

Welsby got a grade A in July, I thought that meant next grade A is a 1 match ban?

https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/2022-operational-rules-tiers-1-3/index.html
 

I think this clarifies your query?

[Dunbar]

6 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

No ban for Welsby, ban for Knowles - sounds like common sense to me.

Don’t think we should be appealing the knowes ban unless the point is to try and get him free for the first game of the WC? Or do England have a friendly it can be used in?

We have warm against Fifi that would complete the ban.

[north yorks trinity]

31 minutes ago, Jughead said:

Two for Knowles and nothing for Welsby, which is right. Saints to appeal Knowles’ ban. 

I’m not sure why we’re appealing, it was pretty clear and we should get another added for a frivolous appeal. 

They won't care about any added games as that will affect England and not them.

 

[Chrispmartha]

5 minutes ago, LeeF said:

https://www.rugby-league.com/flipbooks/2022-operational-rules-tiers-1-3/index.html
 

I think this clarifies your query?

Ok,

So my next querie is why did Rhyse martin get 1 game bans on both times he was charged with Grade A this year?

[Jughead]

1 minute ago, north yorks trinity said:

They won't care about any added games as that will affect England and not them.

 

I personally think it’s a waste of the time and effort and a proper appeal. We usually get these things right, not sure we have here. 

We’re never going to get it dropped from two to free to play and he’s free to play round one next year, so I just don’t see any reason to appeal what was a stupid and dangerous act. 

[Chris22]

8 hours ago, Chris22 said:

This is what I think will happen.

Knowles will get banned for two matches. Saints will appeal (because there's nothing to lose in doing so). It will not be deemed frivolous, which of course will have nothing to do with the fact that 3+ matches will see him miss a World Cup match. This will highlight the ridiculous nature of club bans carrying to internationals.

Welsby will get nothing.

Fans will be in uproar regardless of what happens. The Saints appeal of Knowles' ban will especially boil blood.

 

I'd say that was quite accurate (and also fair).

Saints have nothing to lose by appealing. The best case is that the ban is overturned and Knowles plays. The worst case is that Knowles gets an extra match, served for England.

This highlights the absurdity of the RFL applying suspensions incurred domestically to internationals. It's a conflict of interest for potential England internationals such as Knowles and Bateman and also unfair on players like Dudson, who has been banned for playing for Wales for the World Cup by the English governing body.

[LeeF]

6 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

Ok,

So my next querie is why did Rhyse martin get 1 game bans on both times he was charged with Grade A this year?

From memory didn’t he have at least a B from last season?

If you have his full record you can follow it through the process outlined in the link I posted 

Edited September 19, 2022 by LeeF

[FearTheVee]

10 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:

They won't care about any added games as that will affect England and not them.

 

Of course they will care if they care about Morgan Knowles - he will want to play a home World Cup not miss the first (huge) game of it.

I’d say this appeal has more to do with trying to get one match and be free for wc warm up rather than him playing on the GF which is a 0% chance of going down to zero matches on appeal.

Edited September 19, 2022 by FearTheVee

[LeeF]

3 minutes ago, Chris22 said:

I'd say that was quite accurate (and also fair).

Saints have nothing to lose by appealing. The best case is that the ban is overturned and Knowles plays. The worst case is that Knowles gets an extra match, served for England.

This highlights the absurdity of the RFL applying suspensions incurred domestically to internationals. It's a conflict of interest for potential England internationals such as Knowles and Bateman and also unfair on players like Dudson, who has been banned for playing for Wales for the World Cup by the English governing body.

Saints will have to pay any costs incurred with an appeal if they lose

[Chrispmartha]

4 minutes ago, LeeF said:

From memory didn’t he have at least a B from last season?

If you have his full record you can follow it through the process outlined in the link I posted 

I don’t know i can’t remember him getting a ban before but i could easily be wrong. Ill try check

[bobbruce]

3 hours ago, Dave T said:

Jeez,  don't be adding another to the list! 

I think 3rd man in is fine,  it's only if he attacks the knees against the joint,  and I think he was a bit higher. 

Actually,  sod it,  throw it on the list! 

Oi don’t you join in. 

[north yorks trinity]

1 minute ago, FearTheVee said:

Of course they will care if they care about Morgan Knowles - he will want to play a home World Cup not miss the first (huge) game of it.

In that case they're just stupid or, to cut them a huge amount of slack, perhaps making a cavalier assumption that the disciplinary won't penalise England for Saints' frivolous appeal (and I'm really not sure how it can be anything other than frivolous, though I may be missing something).

[Dunbar]

5 minutes ago, FearTheVee said:

Of course they will care if they care about Morgan Knowles - he will want to play a home World Cup not miss the first (huge) game of it.

I’d say this appeal has more to do with trying to get one match and be free for wc warm up rather than him playing on the GF which is a 0% chance of going down to zero matches on appeal.

If that is the case it feels like a risk.

He misses the final and the warm up now.  If he gets an extra game he misses Samoa at Newcastle. 

As an England fan, I would stick rather than twist on this one.