Proposed Online Gambling Limits

[ivans82]

Aimed at young gamblers it aims to limit stakes on one spin at between £2 and £15  .......Complete waste of time . At 20secs per spin you could still lose £360 in an hour even at the bottom end of the scale .You need to limit both time and stake , but more importantly have a very low maximum loss policy . I myself have a bet on the horses , football , rugby league etc. but only to small stakes. I go to the betting shops and don`t bet online . i have watched people on the machines in the shops . After having lost whatever they have put in , they are right out the door , straight to the hole in the wall , and back in again . Lord only knows what they will lose sitting at home on their mobiles .

[tim2]

30 minutes ago, ivans82 said:

Aimed at young gamblers it aims to limit stakes on one spin at between £2 and £15  .......Complete waste of time . At 20secs per spin you could still lose £360 in an hour even at the bottom end of the scale .You need to limit both time and stake , but more importantly have a very low maximum loss policy . I myself have a bet on the horses , football , rugby league etc. but only to small stakes. I go to the betting shops and don`t bet online . i have watched people on the machines in the shops . After having lost whatever they have put in , they are right out the door , straight to the hole in the wall , and back in again . Lord only knows what they will lose sitting at home on their mobiles .

In many ways it's worse than beer and drugs, certainly financially. And it's invisible. Everything seems normal then somebody's had a breakdown saying they've lost all their money and their house in a matter of months.

Sport should move away from betting companies ASAP. Not sure how Horse Racing can do it, though. Although I don't think horses and dogs are the main issue compared to online casinos. Jesus, I worked in software development and there's no way I would trust betting with a computer program. And it's so quick.

[gingerjon]

4 minutes ago, tim2 said:

In many ways it's worse than beer and drugs, certainly financially. And it's invisible. Everything seems normal then somebody's had a breakdown saying they've lost all their money and their house in a matter of months.

Sport should move away from betting companies ASAP. Not sure how Horse Racing can do it, though. Although I don't think horses and dogs are the main issue compared to online casinos. Jesus, I worked in software development and there's no way I would trust betting with a computer program. And it's so quick.

Horses/greyhounds are basically invisible when I fire up the Bet365 app. Casinos, ridiculous accas and in play bets on weird things seem to be the money makers for the bookies. It's sometimes quite hard to find a straightforward "this team will win this match" bet.

Incidentally, I just fired up said app to make a comment about how many instant bets I could make on the first thing I saw on the in play.

It's an Armenian football match. Never heard of the sides. I lost count after 20 available markets for an instant gamble. And that's the first in-play option of thousands. All just a Face ID and a tap away.

[graveyard johnny]

if people want to drink they will get drink somehow - if they want to take drugs they will get them - if they need to gamble they will do it somehow = whether through a smartfone app or sitting round a poker table in a casino  or a tap room pub bookie - ban this ban that wont change a thing - when I grew up all the sporting events were sponsored by tobacco companies - never made me feel like taking up smoking and never did 

[Gerrumonside ref]

3 hours ago, tim2 said:

In many ways it's worse than beer and drugs, certainly financially. And it's invisible. Everything seems normal then somebody's had a breakdown saying they've lost all their money and their house in a matter of months.

Sport should move away from betting companies ASAP. Not sure how Horse Racing can do it, though. Although I don't think horses and dogs are the main issue compared to online casinos. Jesus, I worked in software development and there's no way I would trust betting with a computer program. And it's so quick.

I don’t think sport in the UK is going to move away from betting companies whatever the moral argument.

If you look at the trade winds coming from the USA (usually indicative of trends coming to the UK at a later date) then sadly more and more of their sports broadcasting is incorporating gambling in a pretty active fashion.

I wouldn’t be too surprised to see more and more odds graphics and commentary discussions about gambling odds on our sporting events.

I would like to be wrong but professional sport has a never ending thirst for boosting income streams that never seems to get quenched.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Gerrumonside ref

[tim2]

3 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

I don’t think sport in the UK is going to move away from betting companies whatever the moral argument.

If you look at the trade winds coming from the USA (usually indicative of trends coming to the UK at a later date) then sadly more and more of their sports broadcasting is incorporating gambling in a pretty active fashion.

I wouldn’t be too surprised to see more and more odds graphics and commentary discussions about gambling odds on our sporting events.

I would like to be wrong but professional sport has a never ending thirst for boosting income streams that never seems to get quenched.

I can't remember whether moral pressure or legislation forced them to stop alcohol and tobacco. Probably the latter.

[Gerrumonside ref]

I personally enjoy small stakes/high odds gambling on sport and feel like I can ringfence it with the rest of my life with weekly gambling limits and other control mechanisms.

I use an online account with strict limits and use the various dashboard options to monitor what I’m doing, how long I’m doing it for as well as how much I’m winning or losing.  

However, I have on a personal level seen it affect at least person very adversely particularly when they saw it as having money making potential which obviously it doesn’t.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Gerrumonside ref

[Gerrumonside ref]

6 minutes ago, tim2 said:

I can't remember whether moral pressure or legislation forced them to stop alcohol and tobacco. Probably the latter.

Yes, I agree with your sentiment, but I fear that the recent developments in the USA won’t help over here, as social, economic and political trends do tend to get followed as you know.

[Futtocks]

6 minutes ago, tim2 said:

I can't remember whether moral pressure or legislation forced them to stop alcohol and tobacco. Probably the latter.

Pretty sure it was legislation, as I remember Yamaha MotoGP bikes having "Gauloises" on their fairings when racing in some countries, but "Go!!!!!!!" in other countries. So the sport tolerated tobacco ads after the UK banned them.

[tim2]

2 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Pretty sure it was legislation, as I remember Yamaha MotoGP bikes having "Gauloises" on their fairings when racing in some countries, but "Go!!!!!!!" in other countries. So the sport tolerated tobacco ads after the UK banned them.

In France the Welsh RU team had to put "Brawn" on their shirts instead of "Brain's" which is a type of beer. This change was almost certainly also more accurate as a representation of the shirt's contents.

[tim2]

5 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

I personally enjoy small stakes/high odds gambling on sport and feel like I can ringfence it with the rest of my life with weekly gambling limits and other control mechanisms.

I use an online account with strict limits and use the various dashboard options to monitor what I’m doing, how long I’m doing it for as well as how much I’m winning or losing.  

However, I have on a personal level seen it affect at least person very adversely particularly when they saw it as having money making potential which obviously it doesn’t.

Same as being able to have a few glasses of wine without it turning into a bottle of vodka a day starting when you wake up. Or being able to have a joint without becoming a crack addict. Some people can manage it, others not so much.

 

[Gerrumonside ref]

Just now, tim2 said:

Same as being able to have a few glasses of wine without it turning into a bottle of vodka a day starting when you wake up. Or being able to have a joint without becoming a crack addict. Some people can manage it, others not so much.

 

Agreed and I would welcome tighter controls on gambling particularly the insidious targeting of children (micro transactions in video games etc), vulnerable adults and anyone suffering as a result of an addiction to gambling.

I’m also aware that my own circumstances could change as anyone’s can in life.

I don’t see myself as invulnerable to what can happen with gambling addiction so safeguarding is an issue for all.

 

[gingerjon]

46 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

I don’t think sport in the UK is going to move away from betting companies whatever the moral argument.

If you look at the trade winds coming from the USA (usually indicative of trends coming to the UK at a later date) then sadly more and more of their sports broadcasting is incorporating gambling in a pretty active fashion.

I wouldn’t be too surprised to see more and more odds graphics and commentary discussions about gambling odds on our sporting events.

I would like to be wrong but professional sport has a never ending thirst for boosting income streams that never seems to get quenched.

The US gambling industry has very successful latched on to the rotisserie baseball/fantasy football/make your bracket culture that already existed.

As far as I can tell, it doesn't yet have people addicted to betting on who wins the next corner.

(This isn't saying one is better than the other but that the markets are, at the moment, different)

[Wolford6]

The Lottery is gambling. I don't do it because it's a tax on the poor. Can't see the Government stopping it, though.

[Gerrumonside ref]

26 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

The US gambling industry has very successful latched on to the rotisserie baseball/fantasy football/make your bracket culture that already existed.

As far as I can tell, it doesn't yet have people addicted to betting on who wins the next corner.

(This isn't saying one is better than the other but that the markets are, at the moment, different)

I take your distinction, but this is the kind of thing I’m getting at:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/10/business/online-sports-gambling-addiction/index.html

[tim2]

A guy from a gambling company was on the Evan Davies programme on Radio 4. He was asked about the 'benefits of gambling' that he had  said there were. He replied:

1. Taxes for the government

2. Horse racing would disappear

3. The Premier League is successful because of sponsorship

Bit grim if that's it. 3 is a bit of a stretch.

[GUBRATS]

I work with a gambling addict , lost 2 houses , not got a pot to ###### in , doesn't recognise it as a problem , when they say matter of factly " if I won the lottery , I wouldn't have to gamble " you know they are a lost case 

And just as worrying is the new craze of ' Radio station gambling ' , where they offer a daily prize pot of anything up to £ 100 K , " all you have to do is text us **** and you will enter today's prize draw , texts cost 2 quid and the usual provider fee " , they don't realise what they are doing , 2 quid a day and the costs add up to 12 quid a week , I tried it once about 6 months back , I kept recieving texts for 2 weeks afterwards telling me the cut off time was approaching every day 

Stealth gambling 

[gingerjon]

9 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

I work with a gambling addict , lost 2 houses , not got a pot to ###### in , doesn't recognise it as a problem , when they say matter of factly " if I won the lottery , I wouldn't have to gamble " you know they are a lost case 

And just as worrying is the new craze of ' Radio station gambling ' , where they offer a daily prize pot of anything up to £ 100 K , " all you have to do is text us **** and you will enter today's prize draw , texts cost 2 quid and the usual provider fee " , they don't realise what they are doing , 2 quid a day and the costs add up to 12 quid a week , I tried it once about 6 months back , I kept recieving texts for 2 weeks afterwards telling me the cut off time was approaching every day 

Stealth gambling 

That's interesting as that's exactly the kind of thing that was cracked down on a few years ago (TV programmes with text in competitions where people were charged long after the competition was closed were the headline example). So they've obviously found a new work around within the law.

Weasels.

[gingerjon]

10 hours ago, tim2 said:

A guy from a gambling company was on the Evan Davies programme on Radio 4. He was asked about the 'benefits of gambling' that he had  said there were. He replied:

1. Taxes for the government

2. Horse racing would disappear

3. The Premier League is successful because of sponsorship

Bit grim if that's it. 3 is a bit of a stretch.

We used to have tobacco companies telling us that the NHS would collapse without them.

Of course, the NHS has collapsed but I'm going to suggest, apolitically, that it's not exactly the loss of smokers' taxes that has caused that.

[GUBRATS]

Today Heart FM , part of the Global company had the final of their " Make me a millionaire" competition , for the rest of the day the theme was " we gave away a million pounds " , I wonder just how much money they made themselves in ' giving ' this money away ?

[The Masked Poster]

Smokers are paying less tax? Since when? Has anyone seen the price of 20 cigs!!! 

I don't smoke btw, in fact I hate it. 

As for gambling, it's correct to say that addicted gamblers will find a way to gamble. But maybe we shouldn't make it so easy that somebody could blow their wages in no time on their phone? 

That said, I've known guys leave work on payday having lost all their wage on cards. Seriously, not a bean left. It's a bad disease. 

[Oxford]

On 27/04/2023 at 13:13, ivans82 said:

Complete waste of time

I don't think they were ever  meant to work interms of limiting betting to any real extent after all profits are more sacred than cows!

[gazza77]

2 hours ago, The Masked Poster said:

Smokers are paying less tax? Since when? Has anyone seen the price of 20 cigs!!! 

I don't smoke btw, in fact I hate it. 

Individually they aren't paying less tax, but collectively they probably are as less people smoke. 

I guy about 6 or 7 years older than me that I worked with as a fresh faced 21 year old used to like a flutter. I remember he often used to pop to the bookies on a lunchtime. 

He made it into the local news a few years ago from his gambling. Sad really. 

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/ex-mayor-stole-cash-fund-gambling-addiction-1837193

Surprisingly however, he is still a councillor. 

 

[The Masked Poster]

55 minutes ago, gazza77 said:

Individually they aren't paying less tax, but collectively they probably are as less people smoke. 

I guy about 6 or 7 years older than me that I worked with as a fresh faced 21 year old used to like a flutter. I remember he often used to pop to the bookies on a lunchtime. 

He made it into the local news a few years ago from his gambling. Sad really. 

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/ex-mayor-stole-cash-fund-gambling-addiction-1837193

Surprisingly however, he is still a councillor. 

 

I'd be surprised if there actually was less people smoking. I thought it was going out of fashion in the 70's....Nick O'Teen anyone? 

It seems to be as popular as ever though. 

[gazza77]

13 minutes ago, The Masked Poster said:

I'd be surprised if there actually was less people smoking. I thought it was going out of fashion in the 70's....Nick O'Teen anyone? 

It seems to be as popular as ever though. 

I have no stats to back it up. Working at a hospital however, I'm users to crowds around doorways from 10 years ago. Nowadays on a site walkabout, you'd hardly see anyone. Vaping however...