IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Click]

48 minutes ago, phiggins said:

The grading handbook doesn’t give points for being top class. It gives an extra point for having the minimum standard required for Super League. 

And whether Challenge Cup SF's are held there or not is pretty irrelevant.

[phiggins]

23 minutes ago, Click said:

And whether Challenge Cup SF's are held there or not is pretty irrelevant.

Well you'd hope that stadiums picked for cup semi finals are fit to host Super League games wouldn't you?

[Click]

8 minutes ago, phiggins said:

Well you'd hope that stadiums picked for cup semi finals are fit to host Super League games wouldn't you?

Who said it wasn't fit to host Super League games? 

[LeeF]

3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

2 x 10's is a terrible concept, it needs filing vertically before any traction is done.

That’s a lifetime ban from LSV for Harry as Derek won’t like it

[phiggins]

9 minutes ago, Click said:

Who said it wasn't fit to host Super League games? 

I've posted the same above, but will again, as may have got the wrong end of the stick on what Doncaster scored. But the grading handbook says, "In order to score 1.5 the club’s stadium facilities must reach Super League minimum standards. If these standards are not met the club will score 0.5."

Didn't Doncaster score 0.5?

[LeeF]

3 hours ago, Click said:

Can't believe people are still bringing up Doncaster's stadium as if they have some kind of point.

Why are some people surprised that a 20 year old stadium may not be top class anymore.

The argument being run on Doncaster and others is that they don’t quite hit the clearly stated minimum requirements but we should still give them full points otherwise it’s not fair. In which case we might as well give everyone full points 

[phiggins]

Just now, LeeF said:

The argument being run on Doncaster and others is that they don’t quite hit the clearly stated minimum requirements but we should still give them full points otherwise it’s not fair. In which case we might as well give everyone full points 

That isn't the argument being run. They score what they score on the criteria given, the argument is one on whether the criteria is as it should be. Particulaly if it is going with an all or nothing approach to facilities scoring 

[dboy]

2 minutes ago, phiggins said:

I've posted the same above, but will again, as may have got the wrong end of the stick on what Doncaster scored. But the grading handbook says, "In order to score 1.5 the club’s stadium facilities must reach Super League minimum standards. If these standards are not met the club will score 0.5."

Didn't Doncaster score 0.5?

The ground doesn't fully meet the standards needed for the full 1.5 points.

That doesn't mean the stadium is precluded from hosting SL or even international games.

I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

[gingerjon]

1 minute ago, phiggins said:

That isn't the argument being run. They score what they score on the criteria given, the argument is one on whether the criteria is as it should be. Particulaly if it is going with an all or nothing approach to facilities scoring 

There will always be a cut offs.

If, as with attendances, you make the cut off too low or too broad, then those probably need reviewing.

I've seen nothing to suggest the ground criteria are too strict at all.

[phiggins]

13 minutes ago, dboy said:

The ground doesn't fully meet the standards needed for the full 1.5 points.

That doesn't mean the stadium is precluded from hosting SL or even international games.

I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

I'm only quoting what is in the grading handbook. In a system where clubs are being scored to the nearest hundredth, Doncaster losing a full point on facilities feels exceptionally harsh.

[dboy]

9 minutes ago, phiggins said:

I'm only quoting what is in the grading handbook. In a system where clubs are being scored to the nearest hundredth, Doncaster losing a full point on facilities feels exceptionally harsh.

So, we all agree they don't meet the grading/scoring requirements for full points then.

Happy days.

 

[Damien]

14 minutes ago, phiggins said:

I'm only quoting what is in the grading handbook. In a system where clubs are being scored to the nearest hundredth, Doncaster losing a full point on facilities feels exceptionally harsh.

I do agree. I think the stadium criteria certainly needs revisiting and tweaking. Some of it feels a bit too random. Losing a full point seems too harsh also when in many ways a stadium can be far better than one scoring full points.

[phiggins]

13 minutes ago, dboy said:

So, we all agree they don't meet the grading/scoring requirements for full points then.

Happy days.

 

I've not argued with the score. I've argued against the scoring criteria that is being applied in the first place.

"I don't get why this is so hard to understand."

[dboy]

So we are all in agreement. Good.

[Archie Gordon]

I wish someone would also ask why you get 0.5 for not meeting the stadium criteria. In fact, there are a couple of places in the gradings where free points are handed over. This creates a weird distortion of the category weightings.

[Father Gascoigne]

9 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

I wish someone would also ask why you get 0.5 for not meeting the stadium criteria. In fact, there are a couple of places in the gradings where free points are handed over. This creates a weird distortion of the category weightings.

Perhaps it's like the point they give losing teams for an overtime loss in ice hockey. They did their best, got close, but wasn't quite enough. 

[Taffy Tiger]

Just done a very quick tally and I make it 2.11 points is the absolute minimum you can score 

Viewership 0.75 minimum score

Attendance 0.75 minimum score

Stadium 0.50 minimum score

Finishing 35th of 35 minimum score 0.11

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by Taffy Tiger

[binosh]

On 28/10/2024 at 12:04, dkw said:

So at no point did they claim they "expect to be placed in because they are french and in a nice part of the world?" glad we got that sorted then.

Just the usual making stuff up so you can be outraged at it.

 

 

Absolutely zero outrage here, just the ability to read.

[binosh]

On 28/10/2024 at 17:34, LeytherRob said:

Look, you made a point, it was demonstrably false, and people pointed it out. If that offends you so that you have to move into ad hominem comments about Leigh fans, then that's up to you but don't complain about tedium or the length of the thread when you are the one now goading people because they had the audacity to correct you.

@Damien and @LeeF regularly Make reference to Leigh and Derek and then complain when people respond or make an alternate example. Other posters too, anyone says anything against France, Expansion, Toronto or IMG and you can pretty much nail you're hat on who will reasons. They’re the first be flippant about anyone else’s point of view.

Here come the “show me where” and “prove it” crew now…………

[binosh]

9 hours ago, Damien said:

Maybe this was posted previously but interesting from Beaumont. It's funny how things change once you get an A grade and become part of the club. It wasn't too long ago he wanted a 14 team SL when Leigh were on the outer:

He said: “At the launch of the IMG partnership and the grading system it was stated that if 16 teams reach Grade A then that’s what Super League would become.

“But we all know that the game’s cake can’t divide into more than 12 currently and feed those at the table enough, despite there being an obvious appetite to do so to eliminate loop fixtures etc. This problem remains even under this structure should it continue which I don’t believe it should.

“I can already sense the minds ticking on the alterations to the thresholds, some to deal with discrepancies like the zero points for a big screen with pixels too large equalling that of no screen at all, and a method of measuring the reach of a club rather than that of its population, something in which it has no ability to change its performance.

“However, I also sense there will be movements in pillars to lower clubs scores and make it less likely to get more than 12 clubs with a Grade A score to protect the current position, at least until a better deal is done that can expand the competition, something that can be done by introducing Grade B clubs anyway.

“I appreciate the pressure the RFL and RL Commercial are in concerning this situation.”

And Beaumont offered his support for many clubs who were graded B by IMG – and insisted once again that the possible direction of travel for rugby league that would be best is a two-tier system with ten teams in each.

Beaumont said: “Many Grade B clubs bring so much value, as do other clubs, which is why I believe over time we need 2 x 10s to keep scores close and accommodate the depth of clubs with a Championship operating below it.

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/leigh-leopards-owner-proposes-10-team-super-league-and-makes-bold-img-prediction

In fairness he’s been banging on about 2x10 since atleast 2022 which I personally don’t like. 

[phiggins]

20 minutes ago, binosh said:

In fairness he’s been banging on about 2x10 since atleast 2022 which I personally don’t like. 

He’s been banging on about it since 2015

[Damien]

21 minutes ago, binosh said:

In fairness he’s been banging on about 2x10 since atleast 2022 which I personally don’t like. 

Wasn't in 2021 when Leigh were facing relegation though was he? A 14 team SL was flavour of the month then.

[LeeF]

1 hour ago, binosh said:

@Damien and @LeeF regularly Make reference to Leigh and Derek and then complain when people respond or make an alternate example. Other posters too, anyone says anything against France, Expansion, Toronto or IMG and you can pretty much nail you're hat on who will reasons. They’re the first be flippant about anyone else’s point of view.

Here come the “show me where” and “prove it” crew now…………

Love to know why you are dragging me into this discussion and when did I complain?

 

[Damien]

16 minutes ago, LeeF said:

Love to know why you are dragging me into this discussion and when did I complain?

Better just to ignore. It just proves the point made earlier, Phiggins wisely moves the thread on and we have 2 pages of something else then another Leigh fan jumps in with 2 feet with a lame attempt to drag it back.

Edited October 29, 2024 by Damien

[doc]

So can we agree on

A. This is all marvellous.

B. Load of twaddle.