IMG Grading System (Many Merged Threads)

[Barley Mow]

12 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

Urrgh. This is an OK idea implemented terribly. As expected.

However, it seems we are now clear that 2025 is decided on 2022-2024 data which won't be finalised until the end of the 2024 season. One idea floated - that numbers would be finalised by July/August for the forthcoming year - is obviously not happening.

I'm not sure 2025 is decided.

I think Wakefield v Toulouse could be a real battle to see who gets the 12th SL place - unfortunately not (mainly) an on-field battle.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Barley Mow

[RP London]

5 minutes ago, Catflap said:

Did The RFL not learn from their mistakes last time around with licensing.

Fans of all clubs need to unite and stand against these changes or our great game will die at the hands of money hungry men.

 

I want a game where achievements are won on the field.

indeed, which is what we have now and the game is booming isnt it.... 

 

 

 

 

oh hang on! 

 

 

 

Either way this argument was done ages ago, lets not resurrect it. 

[JM2010]

10 minutes ago, shaw llewellyn said:

Apologies if I missed something earlier but are the calculations not just used to determine the grading? I.e the fact that Salford are listed 8 and London 24 is irrelevant if they are both graded B.

This is the bit I keep getting confused with. I thought Grade As we’re safe from relegation and the lowest finishing B gets relegated as long as a grade B wins the Championship GF. I didn’t think the amount of points counted other than to let you know how far or close you are from the relevant grade

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Leigh are 0.43pts ahead of Bradford Bulls.

For on-field performance Leigh are 1.14pts ahead of the Bulls. 

Meaning that Bradford as a club are c0.7pts ahead of Leigh.

Dave - seems like you are trying to start an argument where there is none.

All the calcs have been done and it all makes sense.

Extra points for a train station of course.

[Archie Gordon]

Leigh trending at #2 on x/twitter. Perhaps that was the purpose all along!

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Leigh are 0.43pts ahead of Bradford Bulls.

For on-field performance Leigh are 1.14pts ahead of the Bulls. 

Meaning that Bradford as a club are c0.7pts ahead of Leigh.

QED

[Guest]

Someone should notify IMG that about 0% of London fans are from Merton.

[RP London]

7 minutes ago, Leonard said:

Again - inferring. Never said London should be top 12.

But I don't consider they are 24 - albeit the point is a bit like chairs on the titanic.

For sure though - TO aside (and their score seems oddly high to me) - the gradings are the exact opposite of the expansionists dream and expanding the sport - which many assumed was the purpose.

I think you need to get a dictionary Leonard.. I've not inferred anything I have stated things based on what you have actually said, i have not inferred nor assumed anything. 

I have never said you do think they should be in the top 12.. I dont know where you are getting that from unless you are reading into stuff that I am saying and getting your own conclusion out of it (BTW, thats inferring ie you are inferring that I have said that think they should be in the top 12, i have not said it)

Edited October 25, 2023 by RP London

[Catflap]

Just now, RP London said:

indeed, which is what we have now and the game is booming isnt it.... 

 

 

 

 

oh hang on! 

 

 

 

Either way this argument was done ages ago, lets not resurrect it. 

Give the game a 2 up 2 down structure between leagues like fans have been crying out for years and clubs would thrive. P&R is where the excitement is, lose that and the sport goes stale.

[Archie Gordon]

3 minutes ago, Barley Mow said:

I'm not sure 2025 is decided.

I think Wakefield v Toulouse could be a real battle to see who gets the 12th SL place - unfortunately not a (mainly) on-field battle.

I didn't mean 2025 is already decided. I meant 2025 is going to be decided on 2022-24 info. That was a bit unclear before.

[Barley Mow]

Just now, Archie Gordon said:

I didn't mean 2025 is already decided. I meant 2025 is going to be decided on 2022-24 info. That was a bit unclear before.

Yes, apologies. I realised your meaning after replying.

[RP London]

4 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

This is the bit I keep getting confused with. I thought Grade As we’re safe from relegation and the lowest finishing B gets relegated as long as a grade B wins the Championship GF. I didn’t think the amount of points counted other than to let you know how far or close you are from the relevant grade

This is the one thing I have not seen clarified properly yet... its something that keeps cropping up but no one seems to have the actual answer from what I have seen.

[Archie Gordon]

2 minutes ago, Leonard said:

Someone should notify IMG that about 0% of London fans are from Merton.

But perhaps they should be! 

[Click]

2 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

Leigh trending at #2 on x/twitter. Perhaps that was the purpose all along!

I had to go on Twitter to see if that was right .. (It wasn't for me anyway) but it only took a couple posts to see a Hull KR saying that they have factual proof who is the biggest club in Hull now.

Was surprised I hadn't spotted that on here yet (Or I just missed it )

[RP London]

2 minutes ago, Catflap said:

Give the game a 2 up 2 down structure between leagues like fans have been crying out for years and clubs would thrive. P&R is where the excitement is, lose that and the sport goes stale.

i refer you to the "this has been done already" part.. there are some quite long threads where all of this has been gone over including the pros and cons of 2 up and 2 down... if it was all as easy as that it would have been done by now TBF.

[Guest]

Just now, Archie Gordon said:

But perhaps they should be! 

Yes ! But we all know that people in London only attend events in their borough......

[Barley Mow]

4 minutes ago, RP London said:

This is the one thing I have not seen clarified properly yet... its something that keeps cropping up but no one seems to have the actual answer from what I have seen.

IMG clarified before the clubs voted - some of them were unsure up to that point.

Super League will consist of the 12 highest ranked clubs based on the latest grading on an ongoing basis.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Barley Mow

[The Blues Ox]

7 minutes ago, JM2010 said:

This is the bit I keep getting confused with. I thought Grade As we’re safe from relegation and the lowest finishing B gets relegated as long as a grade B wins the Championship GF. I didn’t think the amount of points counted other than to let you know how far or close you are from the relevant grade

 

1 minute ago, RP London said:

This is the one thing I have not seen clarified properly yet... its something that keeps cropping up but no one seems to have the actual answer from what I have seen.

We have the answer to this. SL will be made up of the 12 highest graded teams with A grades protected. The winner of the Championship final will not replace the lowest positioned or lowest ranked team in SL unless they are in the top 12 graded clubs. This was Batley's argument which ultimatley got thrown out and the criteria is now pretty clear.

[gingerjon]

2 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

But perhaps they should be! 

Every time the Broncos move the ability to build links with local community is sold as a key selling point.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

4 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

I didn't mean 2025 is already decided. I meant 2025 is going to be decided on 2022-24 info. That was a bit unclear before.

Not quite, there's still the question of who between Cas and Wake will sneak into the 12

[Griff]

2 hours ago, Fevrover said:

Been in SL that makes a difference. 

So have Workington.

[Bulls2487]

41 minutes ago, The Phantom Horseman said:

Leaving aside the controversy over auditing attendances, they'd only score 0.5 points over most other Championship clubs for attendances. And if you can point me to where it states that you get points for having an elite academy (or indeed any academy)  or running a team at every level - other than being a prequisite before being granted an A grade - I'd be grateful.

https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/docs/Grading Handbook (Final Version).pdf

 

The Bulls link the academy and other team's below with the Foundation. I believe this increases the score as linking with the community well.

[Barley Mow]

2 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Not quite, there's still the question of who between Cas and Wake will sneak into the 12

Cas' actual score will use the corrected financial figure, moving them up the rankings. Leigh will also get a further boost with another year in SL.

I believe the question will be Wakefield or Toulouse for the 12th SL place.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Barley Mow said:

Cas' actual score will use the corrected financial figure, moving them up the rankings. Leigh will also get a further boost with another year in SL.

I believe the question will be Wakefield or Toulouse for the 12th SL place.

Anything to stop someone letting in 5k fans for free to bump up attendances? Given Wakey and TO could finish in the top 2 and so performance on the pitch is of marginal relevance?

Edited October 25, 2023 by Leonard

[Barley Mow]

1 minute ago, Leonard said:

Anything to stop someone letting in 5k fans for free to bump up attendances?

Not that I can recall.