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Gav Wilson
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1. He voted for it. 2. London are still bottom. 

Dunbar
Dunbar

There is something very Trump like about him. He spouts nonsense and his followers (dressed in their tribal apparel) are compelled to defend his utterances however ridiculous they get. Make

Worzel
Worzel

This entire argument is predicated on two ridiculous contentions: 1. That it is better for the long-term health of the club and the sport that Hull FC had parachuted in some expensive emergency c

Dave T

Dave T

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10 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Well that's a silly statement, the indicative grades were 'standing', we all know that had Hull FC finished bottom, they could not get relegated because of their A Grade, unless you know something different.

You really aren't understanding grading are you?

Finishing bottom is completely irrelevant.

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Chrispmartha

Chrispmartha

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12 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Well that's a silly statement, the indicative grades were 'standing', we all know that had Hull FC finished bottom, they could not get relegated because of their A Grade, unless you know something different.

The indicative gradings were indicative and can obviously change otherwise Degsy wouldn’t have said Leigh will be an A.

Anyway I’m still not sure what your point was, who has ever said a grade A club can’t be beaten by a grade B club? Let alone that it’s’not supposed to happen’?

Gav Wilson

Gav Wilson

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19 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Well that's a silly statement, the indicative grades were 'standing', we all know that had Hull FC finished bottom, they could not get relegated because of their A Grade, unless you know something different.

Oh Harry...

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59 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Mmmmm.

Mmmm what? 

If 'B' grade clubs weren't supposed or allowed to beat 'A' grade clubs then they wouldn't be playing in the same division. 

LeeF

LeeF

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59 minutes ago, Dave T said:

You really aren't understanding grading are you?

Finishing bottom is completely irrelevant.

Or he is pretending to not understand grading in order to make some stupid point

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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1 hour ago, Dave T said:

You really aren't understanding grading are you?

Finishing bottom is completely irrelevant.

That's what he said isn't it... their grading meant finishing bottom didn't matter and they wouldn't get relegated. 

What did he misunderstand, or am I misunderstanding his misunderstanding!

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Dave T

Dave T

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5 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

That's what he said isn't it... their grading meant finishing bottom didn't matter and they wouldn't get relegated. 

What did he misunderstand, or am I misunderstanding his misunderstanding!

Finishing bottom of the league means nothing. It can't get you relegated, it didnt get London relegated.

 

And to take it further, Hull FC could still be relegated if their score means they drop to B and outside the top 12 when they are announced this month.

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Gav Wilson

Gav Wilson

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23 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

That's what he said isn't it... their grading meant finishing bottom didn't matter and they wouldn't get relegated. 

What did he misunderstand, or am I misunderstanding his misunderstanding!

Last year's gradings were a trial run, they meant nothing. 

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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32 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Finishing bottom of the league means nothing. It can't get you relegated, it didnt get London relegated.

 

Again though, that's what he said.  Finishing bottom doesn't get you relegated.

Anyway, I'm not bothered, I just couldn't work out why you were disagreeing while saying the same thing.

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"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Harry Stottle

Harry Stottle

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2 hours ago, Dave T said:

You really aren't understanding grading are you?

Finishing bottom is completely irrelevant.

Yes I know, but that is not saying had Hull FC finished bottom it would not have been challenged, just saying.

Dave T

Dave T

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30 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Again though, that's what he said.  Finishing bottom doesn't get you relegated.

Anyway, I'm not bothered, I just couldn't work out why you were disagreeing while saying the same thing.

No, he stated if they finished bottom, they couldn't get relegated because of their A grade. 

Even that isn't true - they haven't got their grade for this year yet. Technically they could still be relegated.

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Dave T

Dave T

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3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes I know, but that is not saying had Hull FC finished bottom it would not have been challenged, just saying.

That is a different conversation.

And really, a challenge with no merit. We don't relegate the bottom team any more, so a challenge to relegate them because they are bottom would be fruitless.

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Harry Stottle

Harry Stottle

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5 minutes ago, Dave T said:

That is a different conversation.

And really, a challenge with no merit. We don't relegate the bottom team any more, so a challenge to relegate them because they are bottom would be fruitless.

But it would be fun don't you think?

That was my disappointment that London didn't finish 11th.

And before you read anything into that, you know very well that I am not in favour of the system we have entered into, it's OK if you are a SL club but I can only see it being devastating for the Championship and below in the not to distant future.

Dave T

Dave T

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3 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

But it would be fun don't you think?

That was my disappointment that London didn't finish 11th.

And before you read anything into that, you know very well that I am not in favour of the system we have entered into, it's OK if you are a SL club but I can only see it being devastating for the Championship and below in the not to distant future.

Yeah, you've mentioned. 😆

But a legal challenge to relegated a team because they finished 12th when you've just voted for a system to abolish that form of relegation has literally no leg to stand on.

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Harry Stottle

Harry Stottle

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4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Yeah, you've mentioned. 😆

But a legal challenge to relegated a team because they finished 12th when you've just voted for a system to abolish that form of relegation has literally no leg to stand on.

Well I suppose we won't find out now, damn.

Dunbar

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30 minutes ago, Dave T said:

No, he stated if they finished bottom, they couldn't get relegated because of their A grade. 

Even that isn't true - they haven't got their grade for this year yet. Technically they could still be relegated.

OK.  But you have gone from saying he doesn't understand grading to saying the grades aren't out yet. 

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Dave T

Dave T

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7 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

OK.  But you have gone from saying he doesn't understand grading to saying the grades aren't out yet. 

No. Talking about bottom of the table shows lack of understanding of grading. It's irrelevant. You could be Grade B and not be relegated by finishing bottom. Because finishing bottom isn't linked, apart from the score it allocates. It literally doesn't form part of the discussion.

In any case, Hull haven't formally escaped relegation yet, that will happen when their scores are confirmed.

It would be ironic if after all of the discussion this year they actually got relegated from 11th place.

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Chrispmartha

Chrispmartha

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36 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

But it would be fun don't you think?

That was my disappointment that London didn't finish 11th.

And before you read anything into that, you know very well that I am not in favour of the system we have entered into, it's OK if you are a SL club but I can only see it being devastating for the Championship and below in the not to distant future.

There wouldn’t have been any legal challenge, it was all just hot air from Derek, bit like his breakaway league nonsense.

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Dunbar

Dunbar

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3 minutes ago, Dave T said:

No. Talking about bottom of the table shows lack of understanding of grading. It's irrelevant. You could be Grade B and not be relegated by finishing bottom. Because finishing bottom isn't linked, apart from the score it allocates. It literally doesn't form part of the discussion.

In any case, Hull haven't formally escaped relegation yet, that will happen when their scores are confirmed.

It would be ironic if after all of the discussion this year they actually got relegated from 11th place.

This is a bizzare conversation - he said that finishing bottom is not relevant to a team getting relegated and you say that he doesn't understand grading because finishing bottom is irrelevant.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Dave T

Dave T

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16 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

This is a bizzare conversation - he said that finishing bottom is not relevant to a team getting relegated and you say that he doesn't understand grading because finishing bottom is irrelevant.

Actually Dunbar - I suggest you go back and read again.

Harry's point was in response to a claim that the gradings haven't been announced yet. He says they have a Grade A and are protected (we can ignore the bottom of the league point if you like). 

When I bring this up in our discussion you say that is a different point - when in fact it was the original discussion. 

Harry showed lack of understanding on two points - 1 - finishing bottom means zero. You can get relegated in any position. London could have been 3rd, they'd have been relegated. 2 - The gradings aren't announced yet - Hull FC could still be relegated.

Harry's claim that Hull FC are protected because they are a Grade A is incorrect - they haven't had their grading. 

RP London

RP London

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1 hour ago, Dave T said:

No, he stated if they finished bottom, they couldn't get relegated because of their A grade. 

Even that isn't true - they haven't got their grade for this year yet. Technically they could still be relegated.

Indeed, it is unlikely they will be outside the top 12 but it is not impossible, the point that was always made was that London would not make it becuase they were so far off being in the top 12 and therefore London were always "being relegated". It is not that Hull are "safe" (though it would take something to put them outside the 12 IMHO, however, they may have thrown an A away this year) it was that London were "dooooooomed"

Dunbar

Dunbar

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14 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Actually Dunbar - I suggest you go back and read again.

Harry's point was in response to a claim that the gradings haven't been announced yet. He says they have a Grade A and are protected (we can ignore the bottom of the league point if you like). 

When I bring this up in our discussion you say that is a different point - when in fact it was the original discussion. 

Harry showed lack of understanding on two points - 1 - finishing bottom means zero. You can get relegated in any position. London could have been 3rd, they'd have been relegated. 2 - The gradings aren't announced yet - Hull FC could still be relegated.

Harry's claim that Hull FC are protected because they are a Grade A is incorrect - they haven't had their grading. 

But this is the point.  He said that FC finishing bottom would not mean anything.

"The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby.

"If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris

Chrispmartha

Chrispmartha

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22 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

But this is the point.  He said that FC finishing bottom would not mean anything.

But not because they have got a grade A, they haven't got a grade yet. They could get a grade B and not be ‘relegated’.

I think that’s Dave's point.

 

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Harry Stottle

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1 hour ago, Dave T said:

It would be ironic if after all of the discussion this year they actually got relegated from 11th place.

Then could there be another legal challenge, this getting more interesting all the time.😉

 

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