Beaumont and you all know he is correct.

[Harry Stottle]

7 hours ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

Here is my thought based on the comment from Derek “drop the dead donkey and give me the headlines” Beaumont.

If ….. if ……… there was to have been relegation this year did Beaumont really believe that Hull FC would have continued to blood all these young players or is it remotely possible that Hull FC might, just might, have gone out and recruited/loaned seasoned players throughout the season in an attempt to avoid relegation?  Hmmmmmmmmm?

Although, fair play to Beaumont if Hull FC do finish bottom and he forks out the money for a legal challenge.

Yes effectively Hull FC have played the system and to hell with it being a sporting contest, tell me please Tiger can you see this being replicated by any club going forward in this system in that being safe from relegation if they are having an indifferent start to the season just put the club in fallow and prepare for next season? Has the die been cast, I reckon so. And I do not think it would be a bad thing that any form of challenge can get rules changed to prevent this happening in the future.

[Adelaide Tiger]

4 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Why? It would be a huge waste of money as it will get thrown out and will just further highlight his bitterness and pettiness.

 

Exactly!

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, Chrispmartha said:

Well quite, whatever the system there will always be teams that have poor seasons

And in a league ladder suffer the consequences, it is a sport played on the field not on a computer keyboard FFS.

As I have stated previously I would sooner be in a relegation battle with something to acheive on the field other than the match points bring irrelevant, as a fan I would be just rendered an observer there would be no emotions as the result would not matter.

 

[gingerjon]

4 hours ago, Worzel said:

London, an empty husk of a club with no commercial platform, audience or meaningful club infrastructure to speak of, who have been under-invested in for years (outside of the first team),

It does make me do a little bitter laugh when I see people claiming that London somehow have this secure foundation or decades of development is because of their work.

The club has been a shell for years and remains one now.

[Damien]

2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It does make me do a little bitter laugh when I see people claiming that London somehow have this secure foundation or decades of development is because of their work.

The club has been a shell for years and remains one now.

And some of the same people now championing London, in order to moan about IMG, would have previously been the first to moan about them being in SL for these kinds of reasons.

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, LeeF said:

The bit in bold is spot on and at the risk of upsetting the “fan club” DB comes across as a bully who when he doesn’t get his own way eg Hull daring to sign one of his better and more high profit players he attacks them without logic or reason 

 

Prediction, Hull will regret signing Asiata on a 3 year 220K per year contract, and if you dont know Leigh Initially offered him one year, then increased it to a second year, Mr B was not prepared to extend or indeed match his remuneration that Hull offered and publicly congratulated John on the deal he got, and said he was chuffed for him and his family to get this kind of security.

But as a fan seeing how John has performed since his return from his long lay off he is nowhere near as effective as he was pre his injuries and af 33 I wonder if he will get it back, as for the other 4 players that Hull have signed from Leigh this season none were being offered another contract.

[ATLANTISMAN]

5 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Prediction, Hull will regret signing Asiata on a 3 year 220K per year contract, and if you dont know Leigh Initially offered him one year, then increased it to a second year, Mr B was not prepared to extend or indeed match his remuneration that Hull offered and publicly congratulated John on the deal he got, and said he was chuffed for him and his family to get this kind of security.

But as a fan seeing how John has performed since his return from his long lay off he is nowhere near as effective as he was pre his injuries and af 33 I wonder if he will get it back, as for the other 4 players that Hull have signed from Leigh this season none were being offered another contract.

Some of these contracts are plain bonkers 

[RigbyLuger]

Have Leigh, under Mr. Beaumont, ever appeared to have overpaid a player compared to offers from elsewhere?

[Chrispmartha]

19 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

And in a league ladder suffer the consequences, it is a sport played on the field not on a computer keyboard FFS.

As I have stated previously I would sooner be in a relegation battle with something to acheive on the field other than the match points bring irrelevant, as a fan I would be just rendered an observer there would be no emotions as the result would not matter.

 

Having a poor season didn't or doesn't automatically mean getting relegated or suffering any consequences. Take this season, Huddersfield and Castleford rubbish seasons, nowhere near the 'relegation' spots.

Whatever the system there will always be teams where the season is pretty meaningless near the back end.

As it happens this year it means positions from 1-8 are all up for grabs on the last day of the season. Not sure why Derek is concentrating on Hull's position.

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

I would also add, that we are in the middle of an absolutely fascinating battle for playoff spots, and what looks like a great playoff series, DB is focusing on bottom of the table.

We are hearing more about Hull FC than his own club who have a crucial battle that makes or breaks their season on Friday.

Mr Lam does that with team matters, Mr Beaumont is talking politics.

Tell me I may be wrong, but whenever has Mr Moran commented on team matters of how they are doing I have never heard him, I have heard it from a number of Wire coaches and Mr Fitzpatrick.

In fact the only time I have seen him - not heard because I don't think he said anything - was when he fronted with Mr Leneghan and McManus on abolishing the super 8's.

[Damien]

13 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

Have Leigh, under Mr. Beaumont, ever appeared to have overpaid a player compared to offers from elsewhere?

Leigh and Beaumont have a long history of doing just that and it's bit them on the bum many times.

I do think Hull FC's recruitment has been appalling to by the way.

[Dave T]

13 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Mr Lam does that with team matters, Mr Beaumont is talking politics.

Tell me I may be wrong, but whenever has Mr Moran commented on team matters of how they are doing I have never heard him, I have heard it from a number of Wire coaches and Mr Fitzpatrick.

In fact the only time I have seen him - not heard because I don't think he said anything - was when he fronted with Mr Leneghan and McManus on abolishing the super 8's.

Mr Moran also doesn't spend time talking about other clubs, so it's not really relevant. 

[Dave T]

21 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:

 

As it happens this year it means positions from 1-8 are all up for grabs on the last day of the season. Not sure why Derek is concentrating on Hull's position.

This is it isn't it? Such a good finish to the season, and this is what he chooses to focus on.

[Worzel]

44 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

It does make me do a little bitter laugh when I see people claiming that London somehow have this secure foundation or decades of development is because of their work.

The club has been a shell for years and remains one now.

Absolutely. Broncos have been the recipient of a lot of volunteer (and previously Sport England) work over the last 20 years, in what is the best potential catchment area for rugby league talent in the country. It's great to see the talent come through, and the club have done a few bits & bobs along the way for sure, but the idea that this wave of talent is a result of some London Broncos talent infrastructure is an absolute myth.

But just imagine what could happen if that talent pool was better developed? 

[Barry Badrinath]

just out of interest, i know its a slightly different situation, but when warrington were a bag o in 2022, was this what it was like watching from the outside? 

 

putting club loyalties aside, did you think, they shouldn't be as bad as this....

[FearTheVee]

5 minutes ago, Worzel said:

Absolutely. Broncos have been the recipient of a lot of volunteer (and previously Sport England) work over the last 20 years, in what is the best potential catchment area for rugby league talent in the country. It's great to see the talent come through, and the club have done a few bits & bobs along the way for sure, but the idea that this wave of talent is a result of some London Broncos talent infrastructure is an absolute myth.

But just imagine what could happen if that talent pool was better developed? 

I'm not a fan of the NRL takeover idea necessaily, but it would be genuinely fascinating to see what their investment approach to a London team would be.

[RigbyLuger]

29 minutes ago, Damien said:

I do think Hull FC's recruitment has been appalling to by the way.

Without a doubt! Hardaker the obvious one.

[Harry Stottle]

25 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Mr Moran also doesn't spend time talking about other clubs, so it's not really relevant. 

Maybe Mr Moran doesn't but you expect Mr Beaumont to be talking about his own team, is that relevant?

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

9 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

Without a doubt! Hardaker the obvious one.

I'd assumed he was talking about this year's.

[Dave T]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Maybe Mr Moran doesn't but you expect Mr Beaumont to be talking about his own team, is that relevant?

He can talk about what he wants, or remain silent. But it's odd that his club are part of a fascinating battle at the end of a great season and he is focusing on the bottom of the table.

Threatening legal action for following its own rules is bringing the game into disrepute.

[Adelaide Tiger]

1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Yes effectively Hull FC have played the system and to hell with it being a sporting contest, tell me please Tiger can you see this being replicated by any club going forward in this system in that being safe from relegation if they are having an indifferent start to the season just put the club in fallow and prepare for next season? Has the die been cast, I reckon so. And I do not think it would be a bad thing that any form of challenge can get rules changed to prevent this happening in the future.

Yes Harry, I agree that it most probably will be replicated, to some extent, every year by some clubs outside of the top 6.

But, because of your dislike for the new system you naturally see this as a negative.  However, to some people it offers the chance for their club to build for the following season by giving youngsters a chance that would not be available to them if the club was fighting relegation and bringing in more experienced players on short term loan.  IMHO it may lead to an increase in the number of ‘home grown’ players in SL leading to a decrease in overseas players.  Is that a good thing or not?

Re your last sentence.  I struggle to see how rules can be brought in forcing clubs to play ‘experienced’ players in place of youngsters.

Let’s be blunt.  Leigh had a shocking start to the season. If that had continued do you honestly believe Beaumont would have told Adrian Lam that he could not use the latter half of the season to blood younger players?  

 

[Archie Gordon]

1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Some of these contracts are plain bonkers 

Exactly.

We're still witnessing a club in basket case mode rather than one in a rebuilding phase. 

[Dave T]

58 minutes ago, Archie Gordon said:

Exactly.

We're still witnessing a club in basket case mode rather than one in a rebuilding phase. 

I agree. I think it's a club not making great decisions in a really tough environment. I don't think it's a club that isn't trying. 

Maybe the Ritchie Myler thing will work, but nobody is looking at that and thinking it is a sound decision.

[Click]

2 hours ago, Damien said:

And some of the same people now championing London, in order to moan about IMG, would have previously been the first to moan about them being in SL for these kinds of reasons.

Oi, cut it out.

Some of us are enjoying the first season where it feels like all RL fans have embraced us. 

[Faithful1865]

The day I take any notice of utterances by Degsy and his mouthpiece HS, then that's the time to walk away from the game that I've followed for around 70 years.