2025 Squad - anyone know?

[Wakefield Ram]

Seen some names mentioned but anyone know anything? Callum Turner, Bailey O'Connor, Ronan Dixon, Owen Restall, Brad Graham are off. 

[Blind side johnny]

If I understand correctly all players are registered with their clubs until Nov 1st.

[NickD]

42 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

If I understand correctly all players are registered with their clubs until Nov 1st.

Never let us down eh BSJ

[graham fisher]

On 22/09/2024 at 11:59, Wakefield Ram said:

Seen some names mentioned but anyone know anything? Callum Turner, Bailey O'Connor, Ronan Dixon, Owen Restall, Brad Graham are off. 

Callum Turner, Bailey O'Connor going to Fev. Ronan Dixon, Owen Restall and Brad Graham going to Halifax. I've heard three ex players coming back to the club. I think we've got four retentions so far. Oh and maybe a couple of players from Batley

[Wakefield Ram]

Halifax signings interesting given their financial dire straits and Finn leaving. 

[coolie]

4 hours ago, graham fisher said:

Callum Turner, Bailey O'Connor going to Fev. Ronan Dixon, Owen Restall and Brad Graham going to Halifax. I've heard three ex players coming back to the club. I think we've got four retentions so far. Oh and maybe a couple of players from Batley

Quite excited with the maybe a couple of Batley players comingquality. 

I'd heard in the rumour mill that's we've at least 2 going to Batley, I'm not sure if Graham is going to Fax after a u-turn, why on earth Dixon & Restall are going to Halifax with the risk of not getting paid or Finn not there anymore would a new coach want them. 

So the rebuild is under way

[phildog]

Interesting that you mention a couple coming to you from Batley. Kev Nick only mentioned 3 leavers pre our last home match, none going your way, this could be interesting. Trying to rack my brains who they might be. I hear of 1 coming our way.

[Blind side johnny]

13 PLAYERS TO DEPART AT THE END OF THE SEASON – Dewsbury Rams RLFC

[NickD]

48 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

13 PLAYERS TO DEPART AT THE END OF THE SEASON – Dewsbury Rams RLFC

Jesus.   Worse than even I thought and  I’m a right pessimistic ######

[Therein73]

But are there any great surprises in there ??..... Most of them have been 'rumoured' about going for some time anyway.

It's now about 2025 and picking up the pieces from a disastrous and hugely disappointing 2024.... What's of more interest now (to me) is the players coming in and what we can look forward to next year.

This year we've had a Squad of 'squad' players with very few actual Championship standard and, with maybe the odd exception, I think that's what most of them will be at their new clubs. 

We should wish them all well and hope their careers do progress positively - They've given their all in a Dewsbury shirt and chosen to move on ......... It's only like changing a job.

Chance to say 'Goodbye' to them all at Friday's Presentation Night as it doesn't look like many will be fit for Sunday

At least we're sure of having a Club / Team to support next year  

 

[NickD]

3 hours ago, Therein73 said:

But are there any great surprises in there ??..... Most of them have been 'rumoured' about going for some time anyway.

It's now about 2025 and picking up the pieces from a disastrous and hugely disappointing 2024.... What's of more interest now (to me) is the players coming in and what we can look forward to next year.

This year we've had a Squad of 'squad' players with very few actual Championship standard and, with maybe the odd exception, I think that's what most of them will be at their new clubs. 

We should wish them all well and hope their careers do progress positively - They've given their all in a Dewsbury shirt and chosen to move on ......... It's only like changing a job.

Chance to say 'Goodbye' to them all at Friday's Presentation Night as it doesn't look like many will be fit for Sunday

At least we're sure of having a Club / Team to support next year  

 

 

Spot on and I couldn’t agree more but will those coming in be as good as those leaving with the budget we have to play with?

[graham fisher]

8 minutes ago, NickD said:

Spot on and I couldn’t agree more but will those coming in be as good as those leaving with the budget we have to play with?

Heard of four players that's played for us in the past. A halfback from a league one club. A few local lads coming in, then of course them that we've retained. No big name charlies.

Edited September 25 by graham fisher

[SUPERSTUD]

It’s basically all about levels. If the club is prepared to equip itself correctly then I am sure Marchy and whoever his troops maybe will stand a good chance of performing well in League 1. This season the club undoubtedly failed to equip itself correctly and the end result is there for all to see. Doncaster came up with us after six seasons in the doldrums. The club invested and as a result they will now take their place within next season’s Championship. The team we put out never stood a chance and a two league point return shows that. Yes we were sometimes in a position to win 3-5 more games but the end league positioning result would have still remained the same. However onwards and upwards now and let’s hope that the club learn from their off field mistakes regarding recruitment and pre season preparation.

[Wakefield Ram]

37 minutes ago, SUPERSTUD said:

It’s basically all about levels. If the club is prepared to equip itself correctly then I am sure Marchy and whoever his troops maybe will stand a good chance of performing well in League 1. This season the club undoubtedly failed to equip itself correctly and the end result is there for all to see. Doncaster came up with us after six seasons in the doldrums. The club invested and as a result they will now take their place within next season’s Championship. The team we put out never stood a chance and a two league point return shows that. Yes we were sometimes in a position to win 3-5 more games but the end league positioning result would have still remained the same. However onwards and upwards now and let’s hope that the club learn from their off field mistakes regarding recruitment and pre season preparation.

Spot on. Our squad this season was weaker than the L1 side. Depends really on what MS wants to budget for - immediate promotion or a season of stability. Don't know how much Doncaster spent but that's the benchmark to be sure of staying up and looking at the squad it takes a fair amount of money. But they'll have to put the same money in next year again. And the next. Appointing Ferguson who understand was ill pre-season didn't help the cause. But give him his due, he came back to play. 

MS has been "investing" in Rams for 20 years, so maybe takes a longer term view. Early on thought we would only win 4-5 games, so relegation was a near certainty very early on. 

But at least we will be there next season to start again. 

Edited September 26 by Wakefield Ram

[SUPERSTUD]

26 minutes ago, Wakefield Ram said:

Spot on. Our squad this season was weaker than the L1 side. Depends really on what MS wants to budget for - immediate promotion or a season of stability. Don't know how much Doncaster spent but that's the benchmark to be sure of staying up and looking at the squad it takes a fair amount of money. But they'll have to put the same money in next year again. And the next. Appointing Ferguson who understand was ill pre-season didn't help the cause. But give him his due, he came back to play. 

MS has been "investing" in Rams for 20 years, so maybe takes a longer term view. Early on thought we would only win 4-5 games, so relegation was a near certainty very early on. 

But at least we will be there next season to start again. 

Regarding Doncaster and I only use them as an example on the basis that they came up with us. Now first of all I need to make it clear that I am not in the know and as a result I am in no way claiming my next statement to be factual. The information I was given is that Doncaster spent around £450-000 this season. Apparently certain sponsors contributed. This was on the back of bringing in two or three proven Super League players in the League 1 season. Vete for quite a few games and Bureta/Farimo for the end of season/play off games. I think they were panicking thinking they were looking at a seventh consecutive season in League 1 so they went for broke and it paid off. 
 

Regarding MS strategy I am not sure. I have found myself considering wether an immediate return to League 1 was the plan all along. Will it affect the home crowds? I doubt it. Numbers could be slightly up if the winning factor returns. Will it affect the visiting team crowd numbers? Yeah in reality about three teams worth - Wakefield, Bradford and possibly Featherstone this season. Bar takings? Not sure either way on that one. Sponsorship - I would hazard a guess it will remain the same. Match day savings - South Stand will be closed in League 1 so less stewards etc. 

Squad savings - I have a feeling that retained type salary contracts will be few and far between and players will be on pay as you play if they are daft enough to sign them. If team is successful then more win bonuses to be paid out but this is offset with less salaried contracts to pay. Also if money had already been set aside for any win bonuses this season then the pot should already be fairly healthy

So I don’t know. I just get the feeling that the club are not too upset at returning to League 1.

 

 

 

 

 

[silcoates]

1 hour ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Regarding Doncaster and I only use them as an example on the basis that they came up with us. Now first of all I need to make it clear that I am not in the know and as a result I am in no way claiming my next statement to be factual. The information I was given is that Doncaster spent around £450-000 this season. Apparently certain sponsors contributed. This was on the back of bringing in two or three proven Super League players in the League 1 season. Vete for quite a few games and Bureta/Farimo for the end of season/play off games. I think they were panicking thinking they were looking at a seventh consecutive season in League 1 so they went for broke and it paid off. 
 

Regarding MS strategy I am not sure. I have found myself considering wether an immediate return to League 1 was the plan all along. Will it affect the home crowds? I doubt it. Numbers could be slightly up if the winning factor returns. Will it affect the visiting team crowd numbers? Yeah in reality about three teams worth - Wakefield, Bradford and possibly Featherstone this season. Bar takings? Not sure either way on that one. Sponsorship - I would hazard a guess it will remain the same. Match day savings - South Stand will be closed in League 1 so less stewards etc. 

Squad savings - I have a feeling that retained type salary contracts will be few and far between and players will be on pay as you play if they are daft enough to sign them. If team is successful then more win bonuses to be paid out but this is offset with less salaried contracts to pay. Also if money had already been set aside for any win bonuses this season then the pot should already be fairly healthy

So I don’t know. I just get the feeling that the club are not too upset at returning to League 1.

 

 

 

 

 

"the club are not too upset to going back to league 1 "i hope that's not the attitude they have.We might as well go play on shawcross' pitch and sell the ground if that's the case. The talk of having a low budget all the time.Only the owners know that. We have pitches for hire ,not that you ever seem to see them being used much.Why not on a  sunday when we play? Sunday market and other sponsors. I've said before Batley

[silcoates]

Just now, silcoates said:

"the club are not too upset to going back to league 1 "i hope that's not the attitude they have.We might as well go play on shawcross' pitch and sell the ground if that's the case. The talk of having a low budget all the time.Only the owners know that. We have pitches for hire ,not that you ever seem to see them being used much.Why not on a  sunday when we play? Sunday market and other sponsors. I've said before Batley manage all right.

 

[Wakefield Ram]

Maybe the players leaving could form a tunnel on Sunday for any player who's staying?

[Wakefield Ram]

17 hours ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Regarding Doncaster and I only use them as an example on the basis that they came up with us. Now first of all I need to make it clear that I am not in the know and as a result I am in no way claiming my next statement to be factual. The information I was given is that Doncaster spent around £450-000 this season. Apparently certain sponsors contributed. This was on the back of bringing in two or three proven Super League players in the League 1 season. Vete for quite a few games and Bureta/Farimo for the end of season/play off games. I think they were panicking thinking they were looking at a seventh consecutive season in League 1 so they went for broke and it paid off. 
 

Regarding MS strategy I am not sure. I have found myself considering wether an immediate return to League 1 was the plan all along. Will it affect the home crowds? I doubt it. Numbers could be slightly up if the winning factor returns. Will it affect the visiting team crowd numbers? Yeah in reality about three teams worth - Wakefield, Bradford and possibly Featherstone this season. Bar takings? Not sure either way on that one. Sponsorship - I would hazard a guess it will remain the same. Match day savings - South Stand will be closed in League 1 so less stewards etc. 

Squad savings - I have a feeling that retained type salary contracts will be few and far between and players will be on pay as you play if they are daft enough to sign them. If team is successful then more win bonuses to be paid out but this is offset with less salaried contracts to pay. Also if money had already been set aside for any win bonuses this season then the pot should already be fairly healthy

So I don’t know. I just get the feeling that the club are not too upset at returning to League 1.

 

 

 

 

 

No reason to doubt you on £450,000 but the question is for how many years will the Doncaster backers be able to or want to keep putting that amount of money in?

[NickD]

22 hours ago, SUPERSTUD said:

Regarding Doncaster and I only use them as an example on the basis that they came up with us. Now first of all I need to make it clear that I am not in the know and as a result I am in no way claiming my next statement to be factual. The information I was given is that Doncaster spent around £450-000 this season. Apparently certain sponsors contributed. This was on the back of bringing in two or three proven Super League players in the League 1 season. Vete for quite a few games and Bureta/Farimo for the end of season/play off games. I think they were panicking thinking they were looking at a seventh consecutive season in League 1 so they went for broke and it paid off. 
 

Regarding MS strategy I am not sure. I have found myself considering wether an immediate return to League 1 was the plan all along. Will it affect the home crowds? I doubt it. Numbers could be slightly up if the winning factor returns. Will it affect the visiting team crowd numbers? Yeah in reality about three teams worth - Wakefield, Bradford and possibly Featherstone this season. Bar takings? Not sure either way on that one. Sponsorship - I would hazard a guess it will remain the same. Match day savings - South Stand will be closed in League 1 so less stewards etc. 

Squad savings - I have a feeling that retained type salary contracts will be few and far between and players will be on pay as you play if they are daft enough to sign them. If team is successful then more win bonuses to be paid out but this is offset with less salaried contracts to pay. Also if money had already been set aside for any win bonuses this season then the pot should already be fairly healthy

So I don’t know. I just get the feeling that the club are not too upset at returning to League 1.

 

 

 

 

 

the biggest problem with League 1 is the lack of games.    

[horbury ram]

But that may not be the case next season, 20 league games , hopefully 2 cc, 2 1895 ( plus more if we get through further rounds )

, then with the proposed super 8 , if we get to the top 4 , then 4 more games , so that's 28 games plus a couple of pre season ones , seems a good total

[Wakefield Ram]

1 hour ago, horbury ram said:

But that may not be the case next season, 20 league games , hopefully 2 cc, 2 1895 ( plus more if we get through further rounds )

, then with the proposed super 8 , if we get to the top 4 , then 4 more games , so that's 28 games plus a couple of pre season ones , seems a good total

Guaranteed a friendly versus Featherstone as part of Jimmy Beckett deal.

[Blind side johnny]

It is the presentation evening tonight. I wonder how many departees will get awards?

I will be absent, unfortunately, so will be unable to collect mine.

[SUPERSTUD]

5 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:

It is the presentation evening tonight. I wonder how many departees will get awards?

I will be absent, unfortunately, so will be unable to collect mine.

I would like to think that nepotism won’t come into it and that whoever was going to get them wether departing or not gets them. Awards anywhere are always generally an enigma IMHO. They are very subjective and it’s very rare that everyone agrees upon the results. 
 

If anyone is seeking out a positive for this season I would put this one forward. Despite all the weekly struggles it has been evident to me that generally this group of players have displayed solidarity and stuck together. None more so evident to me than behind the posts at Fev in the last away game. Formed a huge circle and exchanged private words. I found it slightly emotional for the following reason. It is easy to go around back slapping and dishing out high fives when you are amongst a team in command. Try staying together when the defeats are landing every week. It is not easy. So yeah well done to the players regarding those particular actions.
 

 

[Wakefield Ram]

39 minutes ago, SUPERSTUD said:

I would like to think that nepotism won’t come into it and that whoever was going to get them wether departing or not gets them. Awards anywhere are always generally an enigma IMHO. They are very subjective and it’s very rare that everyone agrees upon the results. 
 

If anyone is seeking out a positive for this season I would put this one forward. Despite all the weekly struggles it has been evident to me that generally this group of players have displayed solidarity and stuck together. None more so evident to me than behind the posts at Fev in the last away game. Formed a huge circle and exchanged private words. I found it slightly emotional for the following reason. It is easy to go around back slapping and dishing out high fives when you are amongst a team in command. Try staying together when the defeats are landing every week. It is not easy. So yeah well done to the players regarding those particular actions.
 

 

They have battled even though outgunned in pretty much every game. It's been that lack of a bit of extra quality not effort that has been the issue. Even the ones staying in the Championship, not sure they will be in the starting 13.