HawkMan Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, DavidM said: Usually . Right now today though its very good indeed Well done Everton and Sean Dyche, an appointment that just might save the toffees. Jordan and Keown actually talking sense?! Edited February 4 by HawkMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Nothing surprises me in football but surely Klopp must be safe, it's a disastrous season so far, but the guy has plenty of credit built up , KLOPP IS SAFE.....isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hallucinating Goose Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 hours ago, hw88 said: Tell him to stop being a glory hunter and support Rot-Weiss Essen! East German teams were forever changing their names and location. For instance the original 'big team' in Berlin was Vorwearts, but they started life in Leipzig before being moved. Then in 1971 they were moved again, this time to Frankfurt a/d Oder - presumably to clear the field for Dynamo. There were 2 teams in Leipzig - Chemie and Lokomotive. Confusingly Chemie were called Lokomotive between 1954-63 while Lokomotive were called Rotation. Then in 1963-64 Chemie reverted to their original pre-1954 name (Chemie) while Rotation became SC Leipzig before becoming Lokomotive in 1966-67!! The record for name changes however is Magdaberg who had 5 different names between 1953 and 1991 - Krupp, Stahl, Motor Mitte, Aufbau and Magdeberg! Very interesting, I'll definitely look into communist football more. I think my mate is from a small town just outside Gelschenkirchen and just lives in Essen now for work so we'll forgive him! He last came over here for a visit in 2017 and we did a long trip around Yorkshire. I remember when we went to Bradford to visit the film museum, we were sat outside there talking about football and he said, and I quote, "Bradford reminds me of Gelschenkirchen". No I don't really know what that means either, just take from that what you will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenYellowLines Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, HawkMan said: Pathetic? Too right! A global game, millions of fans, over 150 professional leagues,pan- continental club tournaments, a 32 team world Cup with close matches, over 2 billion aggregated TV viewers , a top tier in this country with half a dozen clubs with above 50,00 average attendance. Please God Rugby League never gets that pathetic!! BTW " fairies" is deeply homophobic. Should report your post but can't be bothered to waste time on you. Silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I know we discussed a while back about how there was an increase in trouble at games and it was even infecting some pretty low level fixtures. Update from my dad at a National League North (it's down south though) game where police had to be called in to separate fighting fans during and after the game. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenYellowLines Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 6 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I know we discussed a while back about how there was an increase in trouble at games and it was even infecting some pretty low level fixtures. Update from my dad at a National League North (it's down south though) game where police had to be called in to separate fighting fans during and after the game. This is just one of many reasons why football is moronic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, BetweenYellowLines said: This is just one of many reasons why football is moronic Whatevs, mate. 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hallucinating Goose Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Finally managed to get back to some non-league football this afternoon after a month of postponements. A spirited performance from the Beavers who didn't really do a lot wrong but the Zebras just had a bit too much pace and awareness up front. Bev's 6 game unbeaten run in the league unfortunately ended. Beverley Town 3-5 Brigg Town Att: 265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said: Very interesting, I'll definitely look into communist football more. I think my mate is from a small town just outside Gelschenkirchen and just lives in Essen now for work so we'll forgive him! He last came over here for a visit in 2017 and we did a long trip around Yorkshire. I remember when we went to Bradford to visit the film museum, we were sat outside there talking about football and he said, and I quote, "Bradford reminds me of Gelschenkirchen". No I don't really know what that means either, just take from that what you will! Gelsenkirchen has a large Turkish diaspora. Both the footballers Ozil and Gundogan were born there and played for Schalke. There was also a horse running at Sandown today called Schalke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hallucinating Goose Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 hours ago, Niels said: Gelsenkirchen has a large Turkish diaspora. Both the footballers Ozil and Gundogan were born there and played for Schalke. There was also a horse running at Sandown today called Schalke Was the horse Turkish as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said: Was the horse Turkish as well? It was bred in Germany I think. It was 4th at 20/1 so paid out each way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 04/02/2023 at 16:56, HawkMan said: Nothing surprises me in football but surely Klopp must be safe, it's a disastrous season so far, but the guy has plenty of credit built up , KLOPP IS SAFE.....isn't he? I hope so, now he has Liverpool playing to their full potential. 1 eiπ + 1 = 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 This will be interesting… https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/06/manchester-city-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-financial-rule-breaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Keith Fowler Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Gerrumonside ref said: This will be interesting… https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/06/manchester-city-charged-by-premier-league-over-alleged-financial-rule-breaches There's been rumblings around this for some time now, to be honest I assumed it would just get kicked into the long grass as a fight the PL don't want to have. Maybe the moves towards an independent regulator have forced their hand into offering a sacrificial lamb? In any case, I understand there is no recourse for appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and any appeal would be through the English legal system. However we will at least know what the potential punishments are when the independent commission rules even if the appeals get tied up in years of legal wrangling. 1 I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, DI Keith Fowler said: There's been rumblings around this for some time now, to be honest I assumed it would just get kicked into the long grass as a fight the PL don't want to have. Maybe the moves towards an independent regulator have forced their hand into offering a sacrificial lamb? In any case, I understand there is no recourse for appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and any appeal would be through the English legal system. However we will at least know what the potential punishments are when the independent commission rules even if the appeals get tied up in years of legal wrangling. You are more knowledgeable than all I have read on other forums! What punishments do you think are likely? I have read all sorts from relegation to removal of premier league trophies. Surprisingly, they only won 3 in the period upto 2018 I think? Man utd finished second twice and Liverpool once. Presumably anything from 2019 is safe? (That phrase reminds me of Bullseye and Jim Bowen lol) Edited February 6 by Niels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DI Keith Fowler Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Niels said: You are more knowledgeable than all I have read on other forums! What punishments do you think are likely? I have read all sorts from relegation to removal of premier league trophies. Surprisingly, they only won 3 in the period upto 2018 I think? Man utd finished second twice and Liverpool once. Presumably anything from 2019 is safe? I can assure you, I'm not! I've just been reading some of the more respectable journos on twitter who have been covering this for a while. I'm not sure in terms of punishment, it's very open ended by the looks of things, those things you mention are possible also fines. There's a bit of speculation regarding the financial impact on clubs throughout the league being recompensed (i.e. teams who didn't qualify for Europe in years City did), I don't think anyone really knows right now. 2019 is the point at which the investigation opened and they stopped co-operating with the Premier League. So not as such no it's more than they haven't been charged for those years due to absence of evidence, although they have been charged for obstructing the investigation for those years. It might be the independent commission see that act as an admission of guilt in line with the preceding years and act accordingly. 1 1 I was born to run a club like this. Number 1, I do not spook easily, and those who think I do, are wasting their time, with their surprise attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 7 hours ago, DI Keith Fowler said: I can assure you, I'm not! I've just been reading some of the more respectable journos on twitter who have been covering this for a while. I'm not sure in terms of punishment, it's very open ended by the looks of things, those things you mention are possible also fines. There's a bit of speculation regarding the financial impact on clubs throughout the league being recompensed (i.e. teams who didn't qualify for Europe in years City did), I don't think anyone really knows right now. 2019 is the point at which the investigation opened and they stopped co-operating with the Premier League. So not as such no it's more than they haven't been charged for those years due to absence of evidence, although they have been charged for obstructing the investigation for those years. It might be the independent commission see that act as an admission of guilt in line with the preceding years and act accordingly. It made me smile when I read that one of the punishments could be replaying games! That could be a minefield. Maybe they may have to play the Aguero QPR game, but with everyone 11 years older! Or the Aston Villa match last year, but with Steven Gerrard back as their manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Obviously, if the investigation proves that City are guilty, they'll have to suffer the consequences and serves them right. However, so far, they have been charged with alleged financial breaches, not "convicted" as it were. If this were a criminal charge, then obviously, they would be innocent until proved guilty. That rule clearly does not apply here, which is why, presumably, they are being treated by some as guilty until proven innocent. 1 eiπ + 1 = 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerrumonside ref Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) * (asterisk) Edited February 6 by Gerrumonside ref 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 So Marsch sacked by Leeds, why oh why do clubs give a manager a transfer window, sign his players then get rid of him. If the hierarchy thought him expendable then get rid of him before the window and give the new man a chance. I've no real interest in who gets job, but I'd like to see Rafa Benitez back in the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Rover Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, HawkMan said: So Marsch sacked by Leeds, why oh why do clubs give a manager a transfer window, sign his players then get rid of him. If the hierarchy thought him expendable then get rid of him before the window and give the new man a chance. I've no real interest in who gets job, but I'd like to see Rafa Benitez back in the game. He was probably doomed when the Leeds fans started referring to him as Yank Lampard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 hours ago, JohnM said: Obviously, if the investigation proves that City are guilty, they'll have to suffer the consequences and serves them right. However, so far, they have been charged with alleged financial breaches, not "convicted" as it were. If this were a criminal charge, then obviously, they would be innocent until proved guilty. That rule clearly does not apply here, which is why, presumably, they are being treated by some as guilty until proven innocent. I hope they do fight it and win. I feel very uncomfortable about any possible repurcussions. I don't like punishments that hurt or affect fans. I since read that any punishment cannot be imposed retrospectively. So would only be applicable from the season of the verdict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 4 hours ago, Niels said: I don't like punishments that hurt or affect fans. Yes. That's why clubs break the rules in the belief that sentiment will get them off. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 A pretty good explainer and contextualiser https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/feb/06/if-manchester-city-are-guilty-they-have-betrayed-football-as-a-spectacle 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 6 hours ago, Niels said: I don't like punishments that hurt or affect fans. 70% of those fans are glory hunters who never watched the team when it was in the Second Division. Average attendance 28,261. That's what Sheffield United get now and 10,000 less than Sunderland get. Edited February 7 by Wolford6 Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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