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Doesn't look good for Labour at the moment. Tbh I didn't think the tweet was that bad, although in hindsight ill advised. We all poke fun at people with poor taste and it's a bit of a stretch to equate a raised eyebrow at a few St George's flags and a white **** van with an attack on the working class.

 

I don't see anything particularly wrong with the tweet, although I don't understand why she bothered.

 

The bogus indignation at the tweet is laughable, not to mention the facile semiotics applied to the supposed meaning.

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Doesn't look good for Labour at the moment. Tbh I didn't think the tweet was that bad, although in hindsight ill advised. We all poke fun at people with poor taste and it's a bit of a stretch to equate a raised eyebrow at a few St George's flags and a white **** van with an attack on the working class.

 

 

is a tad more than that. She sends a kid to a selective school ( nowt wrong with that)  miles away, though the cabinet of which she was part is against selective schools. 

 

She lives in a property worth between £2 million and £3 million ( nowt wrong with that either)  in the Labour shangri-la of Islington, then  parades her "out of touchness" with core labour voters by scoffing a the "working classes"

 

Its hypocrisy wot done it.

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i,d love to see the bloke sue the socialist yuppie,,,surely its an infringment on his private life,,,she wouldnt have had the guts to say owt  if it had been another countrys flag,,,nowt but a bigot.

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The fact that she's got the boot shows how insecure the Party's administration is. If Miliband had a decent pair of testicles he'd retrieve the situation by saying that: 

 

"The party is a broad church and we didn't appoint Emily to a senior law position because she was an expert on working class culture. We appointed her because she is an excellent lawyer with a strong social conscience.

In response to the way her tweet has been, rather unfairly, siezed on by the right wing press, Emily has sportingly agreed to go and live with a family for a week on a council estate in Middlesbrough. Viewers will be able to see her daily progress report on Channel 4 News"


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At the risk of seeming politically incorrect, I'd say that most white van men are Sun reading, BNP/UKIP voting, Clarkson clones who wouldn't vote Labour in a million years, I don't see the problem.


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i,d love to see the bloke sue the socialist yuppie,,,surely its an infringment on his private life,,,she wouldnt have had the guts to say owt if it had been another countrys flag,,,nowt but a bigot.

What law has been broken? It's perfectly legal to take a photograph from a public space. There is also no libel case to answer. I single tweet cannot be seen as harrassment and the address of the house wasn't tweeted either.

I like how you call her a socialist yuppie and then accuse her of being a bigot in the same post.


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i,d love to see the bloke sue the socialist yuppie,,,surely its an infringment on his private life,,,she wouldnt have had the guts to say owt  if it had been another countrys flag,,,nowt but a bigot.

 

People put flags up because they want those flags to be seen. Otherwise, those flags would have been set up indoors.

 

Obviously, her comments were patronising and showed exactly how detached from reality the current Labour leadership is, but photo-ing the flags is no infringement of the occupiers' privacy.


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sorry,,,,,i should have said an anti white anti english bigot,,,just same as ed daveys remarks  about little englanders,,just imagine if someone had said ,,"little muslim"  or a " little pakistani",,,,nowtbut anti white anti english racists

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sorry,,,,,i should have said an anti white anti english bigot,,,just same as ed daveys remarks about little englanders,,just imagine if someone had said ,,"little muslim" or a " little pakistani",,,,nowtbut anti white anti english racists

Oh dear


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sorry,,,,,i should have said an anti white anti english bigot,,,just same as ed daveys remarks  about little englanders,,just imagine if someone had said ,,"little muslim"  or a " little pakistani",,,,nowtbut anti white anti english racists

 

It's an interesting post, I'll say that for it.


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Thornberry should have been very publicly sacked. She went against the entire message the party was trying to put across and showed the sort of attitude that labour will accuse the tories of showing. Sacking would have sent a strong message to labour dissenters and Ed failed again

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BBC This Week @bbcthisweek 6h6 hours ago

Van owner in @EmilyThornberry tweet pic had not voted in #RSVote as unaware of by-election taking place @elashton tells @afneil #bbctw

 

 

How can anyone living in Stroud not be aware of the by-election?  The place was crawling with press and MP's for weeks!


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Thornberry should have been very publicly sacked. She went against the entire message the party was trying to put across and showed the sort of attitude that labour will accuse the tories of showing. Sacking would have sent a strong message to labour dissenters and Ed failed again

 

I don't see it as a sacking or resignation offence.  It was silly, she made no comment just posted a picture that allowed people to infer what she meant.

 

Daft, yes. 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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How can anyone living in Stroud not be aware of the by-election?  The place was crawling with press and MP's for weeks!

 

 

I don't know, people from Stroud are a bit backward and insular (although I don't reckon backward enough to elect a UKIP candidate). Strood on the other hand ;)


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I don't know, people from Stroud are a bit backward and insular (although I don't reckon backward enough to elect a UKIP candidate). Strood on the other hand ;)

 

Wasn't it the Rotherham and Stroud election? :ph34r:


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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How can anyone living in Stroud not be aware of the by-election?  The place was crawling with press and MP's for weeks!

 

In both of the recent by-elections I've heard people saying they're voting UKIP because the Tory MP had done nothing for them.


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Doesn't look good for Labour at the moment. Tbh I didn't think the tweet was that bad, although in hindsight ill advised. We all poke fun at people with poor taste and it's a bit of a stretch to equate a raised eyebrow at a few St George's flags and a white **** van with an attack on the working class.

It's not an attack on the working class by any stretch of the imagination, but it was crass and insensitive. In the context of the other tweets it was pretty clear that she saw the house, the van and the flags and immediately thought 'yuck!'.

 

For me, as someone who identifies as working class, that automatic response is an issue. I'm not sure it's a resigning issue, but it doesn't sit well with me at all. I expect it from the Tories, they were set up to defend the rich, but not from a Labour MP. I don't know to what extent it's representative of the current MPs but I'd imagine she's not alone. And from the party's perspective not only did it take the front pages when the story is actually Cameron losing a seat to a man he detests (and threw everything at), but it also fits into an image problem they have when it comes to their traditional core vote.


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At the risk of seeming politically incorrect, I'd say that most white van men are Sun reading, BNP/UKIP voting, Clarkson clones who wouldn't vote Labour in a million years, I don't see the problem.

You don't seem politically incorrect, just a hypocrite.

 

If another poster had written something similar about gays/muslims you'd be having a fit right about now.

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It's not an attack on the working class by any stretch of the imagination, but it was crass and insensitive. In the context of the other tweets it was pretty clear that she saw the house, the van and the flags and immediately thought 'yuck!'.

 

For me, as someone who identifies as working class, that automatic response is an issue. I'm not sure it's a resigning issue, but it doesn't sit well with me at all. I expect it from the Tories, they were set up to defend the rich, but not from a Labour MP. I don't know to what extent it's representative of the current MPs but I'd imagine she's not alone. And from the party's perspective not only did it take the front pages when the story is actually Cameron losing a seat to a man he detests (and threw everything at), but it also fits into an image problem they have when it comes to their traditional core vote.

I don't know much about Emily Thornberry, but she does seem to represent a strain of arrogance within the Labour Party that reflects the fact that it has become a Londoncentric party with the majority of its leading members sharing a common mindset that looks down its nose at traditional working class culture and its values.

 

By itself, tweeting the photograph isn't much of an issue, but doing at that particular time shows a complete lack of judgement and naivéte on her part. She certainly seems to lack the nous to be a potential Attorney General.

 

And she has compounded the issue by expressing her regret, but then, in her favourites list on Twitter, listing a wide range of tweets from other people that sympathise with her original tweet, revealing her insincerity.

 

Meanwhile Mark Reckless, in his acceptance speech, claims that UKIP is now the party of the working class.

 

It's almost as though Ms Thornberry is a UKIP mole in the Labour Party.

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labours shown their true colours as anti white anti english,,,,suppose  a jamacian flag had been flying with a bmw on the driveway,,,i,vejust listenedto that other working class bloke,,sub editor of the taliban mirror,,,enough to make you  puke,,prob  makesmore off his tv appearences than the bloke grafting on the shop floor,,

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Dear Mr Miliband,

 

I'd like to ask you sincerely to recognise that when your party does something slightly silly that you shouldn't just fill your mouth with your feet at the first opportunity.  There's a lot of wisdom in the old saying of "A closed mouth gathers no feet".

 

So, when you said you felt respect when you saw a white van and England flags outside of someone's house and that you're "angrier than you've ever been", do you not get a slight tinge of guilt that you're being more dramatic than a Premiership footballer when a feather touches them in an opponent's penalty area?  If that's made you angrier than you've ever been, it just says to me that you couldn't care less about the dismantling of the NHS, the benefits outrages of the last few years, the Personal Independence Payment fiasco where disabled people have to wait over a year to get assessed and everything else that the current government have done to penalise those who earn under the national average wage.

 

Your credibility drops even more by the minute and, contrary to your desire to appear as a strong leader, it's done nothing but make you look weak, over-dramatic and just a little more silly than you were yesterday.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Someone who really wants to vote Labour but is getting more disheartened with every weak and vacuous statement you give.


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At the risk of seeming politically incorrect, I'd say that most white van men are Sun reading, BNP/UKIP voting, Clarkson clones who wouldn't vote Labour in a million years, I don't see the problem.

 

White Van Dan might be proving your point...


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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I don't know much about Emily Thornberry, but she does seem to represent a strain of arrogance within the Labour Party that reflects the fact that it has become a Londoncentric party with the majority of its leading members sharing a common mindset that looks down its nose at traditional working class culture and its values.

 

By itself, tweeting the photograph isn't much of an issue, but doing at that particular time shows a complete lack of judgement and naivéte on her part. She certainly seems to lack the nous to be a potential Attorney General.

 

And she has compounded the issue by expressing her regret, but then, in her favourites list on Twitter, listing a wide range of tweets from other people that sympathise with her original tweet, revealing her insincerity.

 

Meanwhile Mark Reckless, in his acceptance speech, claims that UKIP is now the party of the working class.

 

It's almost as though Ms Thornberry is a UKIP mole in the Labour Party.

what does 'Londoncentric' mean? Are you suggesting that labour is more like this(whatever it is) than the other parties?

 

What are working class culture and values? I come from a working class background, I've lived and worked amongst people from all sorts of backgrounds, and could now be regarded as middle class. I've never been aware that peoples' values and culture related to their social class.

Millions of working class people vote tory and there is a tradition of doing so: they couldn't be elected otherwise, there is a history and currency of strong support amongst working class people for the BUF, NF, BNP, UKIP, EDL and Britain first is that part of 'working class culture and values'?

 

The labour party has never reflected working class culture and values-whatever they are. It's constitution supports, people who work for a living no matter what their social class, and promotes equality of opportunity, support for the weakest and most vulnerable in society. This principle counts for everybody. That is why the national health service and the welfare state are open to all.

 

What makes me sick about the labour party is its abandonment of its principles in favour of the politics of market research and the focus group, and the steady erosion of what it claims to believe in…this is not something new.


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labours shown their true colours as anti white anti english,,,,suppose  a jamacian flag had been flying with a bmw on the driveway,,,i,vejust listenedto that other working class bloke,,sub editor of the taliban mirror,,,enough to make you  puke,,prob  makesmore off his tv appearences than the bloke grafting on the shop floor,,

I don't think it helped her case when it was reported on local SE news that at first she said she posted the picture because she claimed she had never seen a house with flags hanging outside of it before and thought it unusual.

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