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It will be interesting to see which 2 teams can compete with the ( 6 at the moment) SL clubs who they will be up against in the first split.

 

If the posts on here are any indication it will be Fev and Leigh, Both claim they are going to be well funded.

 

The second season will be even more interesting because if either are successful in the first season , they will be playing 23 games against the better SL sides , rather than the worst.

 

After that it could be all change ;)

 

You're right, that second reason really will be when things come home to roost.  They'll basically have to hit the top 8 in their first half season up, or end up back where they started but this time demoralised and beaten up by the likes of Wigan, Leeds and Warrington.

 

That's very, very tough to do.

 

I think you'd have to go back to 2002 when Widnes finished 7th in their first season up to find a club that got into the top 8 on the first attempt.  Most teams finish in the bottom two first tine out. 

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No Griff, they preferred the other option and voted accordingly but lost. Doesn't mean they couldn't see anything good in the plan which went through.

 

Doesn't mean they could either, Terry.

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I didn't realise there were two options on the table, I had assumed they didn't vote for this option but had no choice but to accept it because they were outvoted. 

 

That says to me they couldn't see anything good enough about it to get them to vote for it, But if it was vote for one or the other, that could change things.

 

There were more than two.  The status quo was always an option.

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just wondering what would happen if London went down this year and we bring in Toulouse as well . Then the year later catalan came down . HOW would clubs in the championship fund them away trips ? Plus imagine if then they all finished in the bottom 8 of the championship it would be a financial disaster.

 

RFL paid last time.  Cost about £10000 a trip.

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Not sure if this has been raised on this debate but I have seen it said that the 4 Championship teams will play all mid 8 group games against SL team at home. This will mean that either the team that finished 9th or 10th (or both) will play one at home and six away whereas the team that finished 4th in the Championship will have 5 or 6 home games and only one or two away.

 

Surely the above is a ridiculous state of affairs and doesn't reward excellence in a tougher league?

If they were excellent in the tougher league they wouldn't be in the bottom four in the first place and so would avoid th3 middle eight. You could argue that they have the lesser number of home games because they had a sub par season whereas the Championship teams are rewarded with more home games because they had a good season and qualified for the middle eight.

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You're right, that second reason really will be when things come home to roost. They'll basically have to hit the top 8 in their first half season up, or end up back where they started but this time demoralised and beaten up by the likes of Wigan, Leeds and Warrington.

That's very, very tough to do.

I think you'd have to go back to 2002 when Widnes finished 7th in their first season up to find a club that got into the top 8 on the first attempt. Most teams finish in the bottom two first tine out.

The joys of competitive sport so many answers to be found to so many questions, so much better than go belly up and stay up dont you think

Those with better vision will see that it would be no great difference to the situation we have now except you need to improve yourself every year to stay up and the bottom 4 will always be in the radar of the top 4 of tier 2 as the ground to build from to hit top 8

You flat capping Luddites need to get out more

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If they were excellent in the tougher league they wouldn't be in the bottom four in the first place and so would avoid th3 middle eight. You could argue that they have the lesser number of home games because they had a sub par season whereas the Championship teams are rewarded with more home games because they had a good season and qualified for the middle eight.

 

It's just 4-3 though, keighley.  As mentioned on the last page, RS is labouring under a misapprehension that the Div 2 teams will play all the $uperleague teams at home.  Not so.

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The joys of competitive sport so many answers to be found to so many questions, so much better than go belly up and stay up dont you think

Those with better vision will see that it would be no great difference to the situation we have now except you need to improve yourself every year to stay up and the bottom 4 will always be in the radar of the top 4 of tier 2 as the ground to build from to hit top 8

You flat capping Luddites need to get out more

 

We'll see.  If we live that long.

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You mean like the current system, like I said?

What were Cas/Wakey/Widnes playing for for most of the back end of the season?

 

You are playing for points and final standings and to say you finished higher than last year - thus improved - as Widnes did in 2013.

 

In 2015, Widnes could finish bottom on P23 L23 and start on 0 points in 2x8 and survive. In 2016 they could finish in 9th, P23 W11, miss out on the play-offs on points difference and start on 0 and get relegated. So in 2016 where have they finished 9th or 13th? Did they make progress on 2015 or go backwards?

 

The system rewards mediocrity sadly, and will be exploited fully be those clubs who want to keep their hands on the SL cash - season in; season out,.

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You are playing for points and final standings and to say you finished higher than last year - thus improved - as Widnes did in 2013.

 

In 2015, Widnes could finish bottom on P23 L23 and start on 0 points in 2x8 and survive. In 2016 they could finish in 9th, P23 W11, miss out on the play-offs on points difference and start on 0 and get relegated. So in 2016 where have they finished 9th or 13th? Did they make progress on 2015 or go backwards?

 

Nooooooooooooooooo!

 

What's the 2x8 ?   Not another system .........

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don't know if this has been mentioned before, why did catalan not vote? if they had voted against the vote would have been 7 each and this thread would be locked by now.

and has it been mentioned that the play offs will be between the top 4.

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don't know if this has been mentioned before, why did catalan not vote? if they had voted against the vote would have been 7 each and this thread would be locked by now.

and has it been mentioned that the play offs will be between the top 4.

 

You'll have to ask Catalan why they didn't vote.

 

Four team play-off ?  Yes - in the top and third eights.

 

In the middle eight, it's Fourth v Fifth.

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The play-off for the SL title is the top four of the first group of 8 not the top four in the 23 matches prior to the split into groups of 8.

 

The play-off in the middle group is between the 4th and 5th teams to decide the last promotion place in SL the following season.

 

The play-off for the Championship Shield will be the top four of the third group of 8 (i.e. the 5th to 12th placed teams in the Championship after 23 games).

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The play-off for the SL title is the top four of the first group of 8 not the top four in the 23 matches prior to the split into groups of 8.

 

The play-off in the middle group is between the 4th and 5th teams to decide the last promotion place in SL the following season.

 

The play-off for the Championship Shield will be the top four of the third group of 8 (i.e. the 5th to 12th placed teams in the Championship after 23 games).

 

 

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