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John Drake

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    • English local elections
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    • Welsh Assembly elections
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    • London Mayor election
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  2. 2. What will influence your vote?

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    • Party allegiance.
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    • Affinity for a particular candidate.
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    • Whichever side of the bed you get out of on polling day.
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    • Nothing. A plague on all their houses.
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Ramite

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How did the Miliband-led Labour Party do in the local elections compared to Labour 2010 GE?

Labour gained 857 seats in his first set of locals in 2011.

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Derwent

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How did the Miliband-led Labour Party do in the local elections compared to Labour 2010 GE? 

 

Miliband's record in local and non-GE elections was pretty good...

 

2012   Gained 823 councillors and took control of 32 councils

 

2013   Gained 291 councillors and took control of 2 County Councils

 

2014   Gained 324 councillors and took control of 6 councils, also gained 7 MEP's in the European parliament

 

Yet still lost the General Election.

 

Corbyn has lost 11 councillors, gained control of no councils and been decimated in the Scottish Parliament. Yet he is a success according to some and will win the 2020 General Election. Go figure.

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WearyRhino

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If you think local elections are decided by party politics you are seriously deluded.

 

 

Barring a very small number of independents (Tories) and a smaller number with personal votes, yes of course local elections are decided by party politics. I've been involved in local politics for over 30 years, in 3 diverse locations and have only known one candidate who would have been elected whether his rosette was red, blue, yellow of white.

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Labour gained 857 seats in his first set of locals in 2011.

 

Miliband's record in local and non-GE elections was pretty good...

 

2012   Gained 823 councillors and took control of 32 councils

 

2013   Gained 291 councillors and took control of 2 County Councils

 

2014   Gained 324 councillors and took control of 6 councils, also gained 7 MEP's in the European parliament

 

Yet still lost the General Election.

 

Corbyn has lost 11 councillors, gained control of no councils and been decimated in the Scottish Parliament. Yet he is a success according to some and will win the 2020 General Election. Go figure.

 

Thanks - didn't Labour lose to PC in a former heartland as well? 

 

I'd be very cautious using these elections as a benchmark/indicator about Corbyn's chances of winning the GE if recent history tells you anything.

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WearyRhino

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Miliband's record in local and non-GE elections was pretty good...

 

2012   Gained 823 councillors and took control of 32 councils

 

2013   Gained 291 councillors and took control of 2 County Councils

 

2014   Gained 324 councillors and took control of 6 councils, also gained 7 MEP's in the European parliament

 

Yet still lost the General Election.

 

Corbyn has lost 11 councillors, gained control of no councils and been decimated in the Scottish Parliament. Yet he is a success according to some and will win the 2020 General Election. Go figure.

 

So it's deluded to think "local elections are decided by party politics" and then you go and talk about party politics in the context of local elections. Give your head a wobble man.

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Saint Toppy

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And yet Labour have wiped the floor with the Tories in this council election. .

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Who'd have thought socialists had such a good sense of humour

 

Opposition parties generally take hundreds of seats from the ruling government party at local elections.

 

How many extra seats did Labour gain again - oh yes hang on they didn't, they LOST seats

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Derwent

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Barring a very small number of independents (Tories) and a smaller number with personal votes, yes of course local elections are decided by party politics. I've been involved in local politics for over 30 years, in 3 diverse locations and have only known one candidate who would have been elected whether his rosette was red, blue, yellow of white.

 

Whatever, the bottom line is that local elections are decided on local issues and local personalities, not national party policies. They are two completely different sets of criteria no matter how you wish to spin it.

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So it's deluded to think "local elections are decided by party politics" and then you go and talk about party politics in the context of local elections. Give your head a wobble man.

 

What ? The figures I put up actually proves my point that local election results do not translate into GE results, otherwise Miliband would be PM by now. They show that people vote differently at local elections to how they vote at general elections. Which part of that is difficult for you to understand ? If people were voting for party policies at local elections then surely they'd vote again for the same policies at a general election wouldn't they ?

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WearyRhino

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Whatever, the bottom line is that local elections are decided on local issues and local personalities, not national party policies. They are two completely different sets of criteria no matter how you wish to spin it.

 

 

Nonsense. Perhaps they should be, and occasionally they are, but I can assure you that they are overwhelmingly not. That's why the media have spent the last 5 days talking about them. Like I said, give your head a wobble.

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The figures I put up actually proves my point that local election results do not translate into GE results, otherwise Miliband would be PM by now. They show that people vote differently at local elections to how they vote at general elections.

 

That is NOT what you said.

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Griff9of13

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To be fair Labour only lost just over 1/10th of what they were predicted to lose; a victory of sorts.

The only shining light in these elections for Labour was Sadiq Khan winning the London mayorship and the 3 other city mayors they gained/retained.If they we to put a positive spin on the May elections this is the story to be pushing.

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JohnM

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..except in Scotland, where Labour triumphed by coming third.   :yahoo:  :yahoo:  :yahoo:  :yahoo:  :yahoo:  :yahoo:

 

with Weary, you are really seeing how life would be in the Peoples Republic of Left Unity, with him in charge of the Ministries of Love, Peace, Plenty, and Truth

 

To paraphrase Garrison Keillor. "That's the news from Lake Wobegon, Left Unity where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average.

 

Or as Keillor Weary also said, "I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it".

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WearyRhino

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..except in Scotland, where Labour triumphed by coming third. :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

with Weary, you are really seeing how would be in the Peoples Republic of Left Unity, where

To paraphrase Garrison Keillor. "That's the news from Lake Wobegon, Left Unity where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average.

Or as Keillor Weary also said, "I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it".

Again John, you prove how infantile you are.

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JohnM

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To be fair Labour only lost just over 1/10th of what they were predicted to lose; a victory of sorts.

The only shining light in these elections for Labour was Sadiq Khan winning the London mayorship and the 3 other city mayors they gained/retained.If they we to put a positive spin on the May elections this is the story to be pushing.

 

In the end, they themselves backed off from their own prediction of 0ver a hundred, and at the last minute predicted they wouldn't lose any. They were still wrong. Agree with you over Khan.

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Griff9of13

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Anyway, the real story of this election was that the conservative party have now officially adopted islamaphobia their campaign wepon of choice.

"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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bowes

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Anyway, the real story of this election was that the conservative party have now officially adopted islamaphobia their campaign wepon of choice.

Plagiarism from the Labour party, just switched which religion they didn't like

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Griff9of13

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Plagiarism from the Labour party, just switched which religion they didn't like

Almost, but not quite; unlike the Tories, in Labour it isn't official policy, just a few individuals expressing anti Israeli views that have been (deliberately) mistaken as anti-Semitic.

"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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John Drake

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Some context and analysis: Why that chart demonstrating Jeremy Corbyn's election success is misleading

I'm a Labour supporter, but we need to be realistic, there's no point in useless ###### polishing.

 

Indeed.

 

Even Corbyn himself said the party had merely 'held on' at the local elections, not advanced, and here admits it isn't doing well enough to be on course to win the next General Election.

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Trojan

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How did things go in the wards you targeted, John?

Results?

Turnout?

Feedback?

What seemed to be the key issues?

Any thoughts on the internal Labour politics?

Overall, how was the experience?

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Robin Evans

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Here in Rovrum on a turnout of about a third, labour returned 48/61 councillors. UKIP made a couple of games but had s a couple of spectacular losses, in particular the local leader of UKIP, the awful Caven Vines in Rawmarsh.

UKIP, understandably kept pushing 'labours support to remain in the EU and the CSE scandal. Those two significant issues you would have thought would have made significant impacts in the election, and whilst there were ripples, the great UKIP surge never really happened.

 

Labour candidates have been campaigning for the last three months. There have been many mailshots. There has been a visible presence at events. The surgeries are well attended. Labour got their voice out there.

I have had a UKIP mailshot - none of us on our road have.

There was a decent voter turn out for UKIP in wath - one labour councillor in wath won by only 87 votes. 

I was at the very well attended folk festival in wath last weekend. John Heeley MP and the three labour candidates and campaign worker were there with a very visible presence getting themselves seen and heard. I didn't see UKIP anywhere. UKIP's absence from just that one event may have cost them those 87 votes!!!!

 

Labour won in Wath, Rawmarsh and Wickersley on local issues - the Eu did impact on the vote but not significantly.

All the race tripe debated at great length on here hardly ever came up. Not a mention.

Some hard liner showing some disillusionment with Corbyn who voted him as leader.... other than that, it remains a fairly solid party locally.

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