Yet another pointless half

[NickD]

28 minutes ago, Wilsden Ram said:

Also you need to consider the TEAM aspects of this.

You and your mate work alongside each other, he is a bit more experienced and is the Team Leader.  He gets £14 per hour and you get

£10 per hour and you accept this difference because of the responsibility.  A rival Company offers him £40 per hour to leave and your Company

matches this to keep him.  He is now on 4 times your rate doing the same job. Your thoughts as part of the team? Your motivation to continue is?

 

I addition please accept that there is a Salary Cap and we are spending up to it. We are not impoverished and I am sure that there are 3 or 4 clubs

below us in spending terms.  We are spending what WE ARE ALLOWED and what WE CAN AFFORD.  If anyone can offer a substantial increase in

our Income (Or a suitable Guarantee) we will increase the spending to the allowed level.  Even if you 'Run the risk' there is no guarantee of success.

 

We have to manage with what we have, the Coach was given a Budget, has the players that he wanted to sign and he has to make the situation work.

 

 

 

 

Yep. You're right.  Thank God we got rid of Thacks  and to be honest it will be nice to be in Championship 1.  Can anyone say they have enjoyed the last couple of seasons ??

Nope!. Bring on the Hemel stags and the Shropshire Sirens and at least we might win a few.  

[Wakefield Ram]

4 hours ago, XIII Ram said:

I'd perhaps suggest we are a scrum-half away from being an average side that might win a few games by turning possession into points - and thus could be optimistic about avoiding relegation.

We are a scrum-half, stand-off and 2 centres away from being a decent side that could expect to win more games than it loses.

But I understand the bit about the budget.

Decent....average... mediocre

[Wilsden Ram]

We did not get rid of Thacks, he asked to be released to take up a much better deal.

MS negotiated a deal which at least provided some money to fund a bigger squad for a Reserve team venture which ultimately failed and as it turned out to contribute to the loan fees for 2 players and all the excess medical costs resulting from our injury crisis.  Even with this money, there was a massive shortfall to be made up from the usual sources (the same few people who according to some people on here do nothing positive for the Club) before the start of this season.

Without the deal and with all these expenses still to be paid, God knows where we would stand now!

In a positive mode, please realize that these same few people are exploring every possible avenue to do their best to avoid relegation, they are all Fans just like the Forum Posters.

Everyone wants to aim for success, but not alongside the spectre of Liquidation.

[christheram]

58 minutes ago, Wilsden Ram said:

We did not get rid of Thacks, he asked to be released to take up a much better deal.

MS negotiated a deal which at least provided some money to fund a bigger squad for a Reserve team venture which ultimately failed and as it turned out to contribute to the loan fees for 2 players and all the excess medical costs resulting from our injury crisis.  Even with this money, there was a massive shortfall to be made up from the usual sources (the same few people who according to some people on here do nothing positive for the Club) before the start of this season.

Without the deal and with all these expenses still to be paid, God knows where we would stand now!

In a positive mode, please realize that these same few people are exploring every possible avenue to do their best to avoid relegation, they are all Fans just like the Forum Posters.

Everyone wants to aim for success, but not alongside the spectre of Liquidation.

We all need to pull together if we're to avoid relegation. From the coach players fans directors. People just care that's all, we all do. It's just frustration.  Hope Glen can turn it around but let's face it the entertainment value isn't going to get many people wanting to pay £15 every home game. People just don't feel entertained at the minute. Here's hoping he turns it around. Still early days 

[Blind side johnny]

Sorry to repeat any mantra but the point that Wilsden makes is that the coach used the budget available to sign the players that HE wanted. Clearly this did not include a scrum half, for whatever reason, so he must stand or fall by this decision.

Thackeray has gone, never to return, just like Mick Stephenson, Nigel etc. It is history, which cannot be changed no matter how much certain people might moan. What can be done in the future to improve matters is the key point and, once again, Wilsden assures us (and I believe him wholeheartedly) that those with authority are doing their utmost to tackle.

In the process not every single thing can be done to make every single person happy. A win would work wonders.

[NickD]

4 hours ago, Blind side johnny said:

Sorry to repeat any mantra but the point that Wilsden makes is that the coach used the budget available to sign the players that HE wanted. Clearly this did not include a scrum half, for whatever reason, so he must stand or fall by this decision.

Thackeray has gone, never to return, just like Mick Stephenson, Nigel etc. It is history, which cannot be changed no matter how much certain people might moan. What can be done in the future to improve matters is the key point and, once again, Wilsden assures us (and I believe him wholeheartedly) that those with authority are doing their utmost to tackle.

In the process not every single thing can be done to make every single person happy. A win would work wonders.

Wise words as ever BSJ. The problem is is that most posters on here think they know what that utmost should be but apparently  we can't even afford that. 

Can we afford my much anticipated life in Championship 1 I wonder?

[grumpyoldram]

15 hours ago, Wilsden Ram said:

Also you need to consider the TEAM aspects of this.

You and your mate work alongside each other, he is a bit more experienced and is the Team Leader.  He gets £14 per hour and you get

£10 per hour and you accept this difference because of the responsibility.  A rival Company offers him £40 per hour to leave and your Company

matches this to keep him.  He is now on 4 times your rate doing the same job. Your thoughts as part of the team? Your motivation to continue is?

 

I addition please accept that there is a Salary Cap and we are spending up to it. We are not impoverished and I am sure that there are 3 or 4 clubs

below us in spending terms.  We are spending what WE ARE ALLOWED and what WE CAN AFFORD.  If anyone can offer a substantial increase in

our Income (Or a suitable Guarantee) we will increase the spending to the allowed level.  Even if you 'Run the risk' there is no guarantee of success.

 

We have to manage with what we have, the Coach was given a Budget, has the players that he wanted to sign and he has to make the situation work.

 

 

 

 

Fair point - let's hope those teams below us in spending terms are below us in terms of results at the end of the season. Based on current performances do you think that will happen ?

[Batley Bob]

On ‎12‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 11:22 PM, the old nine ole said:

Water into wine and all that!!  ..... give Morrison a decent scrum half and he would do a decent job .... When Thacks was weaving his magic GM was highly regarded .. he is not a bad coach .. he is not a great coach ... he is an OK coach!    But its like driving a car with only 3 wheels ..... it won't go the way you steer it!!

 

If we don't get a decent No 7 ... we will be relegated!  

 

So .... just why don't we have a decent No7??????    thats the real question. 

You released a decent no 7 last season in young Sowerby, when you did away with the reserves , at York this season 

[coolie]

9 minutes ago, Batley Bob said:

You released a decent no 7 last season in young Sowerby, when you did away with the reserves , at York this season 

Yeah he didn't fit the coaches criteria 

Experienced

Cheap

Played super league

Wants to play for the coach rather than Dewsbury 

Injured

Exhausted every avenue to leave the club

Too small

 

Oh and can play hooker

 

[John North]

Damn you and your Vulcan logic Wilsden Ram.

[myview]

Thought the team played with enthusiasm against Swinton, but just made 2 or 3 errors which gave away field position and an unfortunate try in the final minutes. The defence was generally good and the conditions were terrible for both teams. Nothing there that would surprise anyone.   BUT - where is our attack near the opponents line  ( or anywhere else for that matter )

 I remember reading Stevo's book and him saying that they had 10 well rehearsed moves which everybody in the team knew thoroughly and which could be used at any time. It seems too obvious to say that the current team should have some well drilled moves to use - but if they have it is not obvious to me.  If it works for other teams it ought to work for us - or do the players forget what to do when attacking?  Still - it was an improvement on Sunday, and I am hoping for more.

[Piggy's mate]

3 hours ago, John North said:

Damn you and your Vulcan logic Wilsden Ram.

OMG where have you been hiding JN!!!

[graham fisher]

7 hours ago, Batley Bob said:

You released a decent no 7 last season in young Sowerby, when you did away with the reserves , at York this season 

Sowerby,can't remember him,how many games did he play? I watched all the games apart from Keighley away.

[legin]

11 hours ago, graham fisher said:

Sowerby,can't remember him,how many games did he play? I watched all the games apart from Keighley away.

Think Sowerby was at Bradford last season ?

[Tom Coates]

Danny played for Featherstone Reserves against us, and the morning after Fev reserves were wound up.

He then joined our Reserves and I think played one game before we took the decision to close our Reserves team.

[coolie]

46 minutes ago, Tom Coates said:

Danny played for Featherstone Reserves against us, and the morning after Fev reserves were wound up.

He then joined our Reserves and I think played one game before we took the decision to close our Reserves team.

Nice to see you back

Your contributions are missed mate

[coolie]

And again

Yet another scoreless half

3 games,1 try, over a hundred points conceded 

Players who don't listen to game plans

But we've an excellent coach

Fan's don't know their born nowadays

[Robin Evans]

I suspect it'll take one more hiding Neil.... then he'll be sacked....

These results aren't good enough and there will be no justification for his continued employment.....

Whatever the reasons for the current plight.... a coach cannot survive with this kind of form

[the old nine ole]

The reasons ... we replaced Thacks with Ben Reynolds ...... ( I am sure he would have done us a good job ) .. he was recalled by Leigh ... we brought in Andy Kain ( a fantastic and clever stand off in his day) as back up and to help develop our other promising halves ( apart from Glover all are no longer  with the club )  Andy Kain then finds himself first choice No 7 ( he is not a number 7)  ... he has a half decent season ... GM just about gets away with it!!!  .... New season ... new opportunity ... no new No7 .....   money is tight .... but  ... we could have got Danny Nicklass from York ( he goes to Newcastle) ... G.M. saying we don't need any new halves because we are going to give James Glover a chance ... what chance??? ....  GM clearly doesn't trust him!! ...... We go DR with Wakey ... they have a very talented, but a bit small , number 7  in their academy  .... GM thinks he is too small not up to it physically ( time will tell ... I think he will be a real star of the future ) ..... we show no creativity in the halves .. we score one scrappy try in 4 hours ...... team confidence is very very low!!   ... this chain has to be broken!! ... i don't mind losing 50 - 30 .... thats entertainment ... pointless halves are not!!  ...  Which part of this chain is the weakest link??   

[coolie]

9 hours ago, Robin Evans said:

I suspect it'll take one more hiding Neil.... then he'll be sacked....

These results aren't good enough and there will be no justification for his continued employment.....

Whatever the reasons for the current plight.... a coach cannot survive with this kind of form

We've run on a wonky wheel for far too long robin,and now it's finally come off with a crash,I'm not surprised at all its been coming the steady demise of a team thru lack of endeavour, trust,innovative play

We've entered a timewarp back to the 80's,where you simply play 13 lads in any positions, rather than having specialised 6,7,9,13

We run without a conditioner last season,and no specialised halfback this season...calamitous 

Lads needs to be pitched in and play their positions 

How can you negotiate a DR join up with the sole intention to borrow a halfback,I'd have gone around every team looking for the best interests for Dewsbury in any DR link up 

"and now the end is near,and I face my final curtain "

He didn't do it the right way!!

[Piggy's mate]

The professionalism in our league has gone up in leaps and bounds and if you don't keep up it stands out a mile 

[Robin Evans]

I may be out of order Neil as dewsbury isn't my club.

But notwithstanding the inadequacies of available specialist players, the results so far this term have been pitiful. I just can't see how any coach can 'hang on' under these circumstances unless

A. he needs the cash from his rugby so much he won't walk away.

B. The club are so skint they can't sack him, pay him off and recruit another to salvage the season....

 

[Robin Evans]

2 minutes ago, Piggy's mate said:

The professionalism in our league has gone up in leaps and bounds and if you don't keep up it stands out a mile 

Indeed

[coolie]

2 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

I may be out of orderrors Neil as dewsbury isn't my club.

But notwithstanding the inadequacies of available specialist players, the results so far this term have been pitiful. I just can't see how any coach can 'hang on' under these circumstances unless

A. he needs the cash from his rugby so much he won't walk away.

B. The club are so skint they can't sack him, pay him off and recruit another to salvage the season....

 

Nar your not out of order robin we all have opinions on the game as a whole and other teams whether we love or hate them we all have a love for the game,which seems to be heading for trouble, game above the championship is run by idiots and now on sky's life support machine wallowing in a coma of telling ourselves were a big sport,and then believing it to be true,the boom or bust malarkey of the top 4 pay days will kill clubs as players prices become inflated with all the "new money" been freely handed out...we're creating a journeyman mentality where the scramble for the biggest buck will surpass the financial capabilities of well run clubs,and creating uncertainty rather than stability. 

Championship needs a better deal..or else

[coolie]

14 minutes ago, Robin Evans said:

Indeed

The professional aspects of the game have gone up

Without the financial backup to sustain these advancements in semi pro rugby league