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19 Feb: World Club Challenge: Wigan Warriors v Cronulla Sharks KO 3pm (TV)

Who will win the World Club Challenge?  

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  1. 1. Who will win the World Club Challenge?

    • Cronulla Sharks by 13 points or more
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    • Cronulla Sharks by 7 to 12 points
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    • Cronulla Sharks by 1 to 6 points
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    • Wigan Warriors by 1 to 6 points
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    • Wigan Warriors by 7 to 12 points
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    • Wigan Warriors by 13 points or more
      4


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51 minutes ago, The 4 of Us said:

It wasn't a great spectacle because it was so dominated by the tackling and control from both sides, but Wigan definitely had the better of it.

I wouldn't be too harsh on the game as a spectacle; I thought is was a cracking game and it hurts to say that as a Saints fan.

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Not watched the game again on TV yet, but just wanted to highlight that the atmosphere was as good as I can ever remember at the DW. The crowd and the players perhaps fed off each other, as there was a steel and resilience that ran through the team. It is hard to quantify that sort of thing but I think we would have found a way to win that regardless of what they threw at us, and we rattled them throughout the 80 minutes. Magnificent and inspiring. 

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Wigan were the better side and i was disappointed with some basic mistakes made by Cronulla.

I would be amazed if they even get to the NRL grand final this season let alone win it.

I'm not saying Brisbane will win the grand final this season or reach the final, but they will certainly finish above Cronulla in the regular season games table.

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What a great weekend for our clubs with two victories achieved more handsomely than any of us had dared hope.

I'll repeat what I said on the Warrington match thread, this is a real shot in the arm for our game.

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7 minutes ago, Bramstein said:

What a great weekend for our clubs with two victories achieved more handsomely than any of us had dared hope.

I'll repeat what I said on the Warrington match thread, this is a real shot in the arm for our game.

Its what the game in this country needed and hopefully crowds will rise on the back of it.

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59 minutes ago, Trojan said:

There was a similar incident in the England France Union game.  The French player clearly had a finger on the ball and it was over the line, but the TV ref didn't allow the score. I thought their rules on this were the same as ours.  On the other hand I recall an incident live on TV years ago when Dessie Drummond and the ball were both over the line at the same time, but never in contact with one another. The ref, clearly unsighted awarded the try.  We surely don't want a return to those days.

They are but they don't say try or no try. The way they ask the question tells the video ref what the ref thinks. And he has to prove him wrong. 

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48 minutes ago, Bramstein said:

What a great weekend for our clubs with two victories achieved more handsomely than any of us had dared hope.

I'll repeat what I said on the Warrington match thread, this is a real shot in the arm for our game.

Maybe this is why they didn't bring over a third club: they were scared of a 3-0 whitewash.

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2 hours ago, Saint Toppy said:

 Overall I thought Cronulla were the better team as they dominated for long periods, 

Bizarre summary of the game imho. 

You do seem to be struggling to give unreserved praise to Warrington and Wigan this weekend.

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2 hours ago, bobbruce said:

As a fullback you have no idea which players are onside or offside. You may not be able to see them but you can hear and feel players running towards you. If you allow offside players in the 10 they have an impact whether they are involved in the play or not. 

Absolutely this. Even if they don't directly/physically become involved in the play, the players presence in the vicinity of the goal line will, or should have, attracted the attention of a defender. A defender who could, had that player not been there, directed his attention to the ball recipient/scorer. 


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People can complain about the offside all they want - sure, change the rules - but the guy was offside, it is no try, not really anything to debate on that.

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11 hours ago, bobbruce said:

Downward pressure is a very loose term it could mean a finger on the ball or a hand it's really where you draw the line. Quite clearly the way these have been judged for the last ten years the slightest pressure is sufficient. Meaning both Burgess and Halls efforts where try's under current interpretations. 

Correct, as Cummings said if the ball is on the ground all the player has to do is touch it. No fuss about downward pressure there.

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This is not a comment on whether I thought Hicks did or didn't do well, but I would have liked to see the Aussie tw0-refs system used, just so we could see it at first hand in this country, possibly (for diplomatic reasons!) with a ref from each hemisphere.

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It's not really nice and I don't usually do it but I've been trolling NRL Facebook sites

 

we used to have this impression of Aussies as stand up Chips Rafferty types but it seems a significant number of them just can't take losing, I know we've had to get used to it, but a bit of dignity guys (not most of the Aussies on here to be clear)

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I have not had chance to see the game yet but well done Wigan.

 


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Having briefly caught up on the thread, some random thoughts:

- great to read such generous praise from so many for whom Wigan are by no means their favourite team. I am guessing this is the one time that some will do so, and they may have had to take long baths afterwards!

- did the atmosphere come over well? It was fantastic, better even than for close Saints games, and that was with 90% home support;

- I would like to make a case for the combination of Williams, Farrell, Gildart and Burgess as the key to our win. I can see why Bateman is so highly regarded, and love watching him play, but in terms of clinical execution this young English combination were as smooth as silk. You need a blend, but there are other class acts out there; and

- Sam who?  

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30 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

Having briefly caught up on the thread, some random thoughts:

- great to read such generous praise from so many for whom Wigan are by no means their favourite team. I am guessing this is the one time that some will do so, and they may have had to take long baths afterwards!

- did the atmosphere come over well? It was fantastic, better even than for close Saints games, and that was with 90% home support;

- I would like to make a case for the combination of Williams, Farrell, Gildart and Burgess as the key to our win. I can see why Bateman is so highly regarded, and love watching him play, but in terms of clinical execution this young English combination were as smooth as silk. You need a blend, but there are other class acts out there; and

- Sam who?  

While I think I would have given MoM to Bateman I think you are correct, the 4 you mention played well together on the left side and I have no problem with Williams getting the award. As for Gildart, he's a real wingers center isn't he, I can see Burgess getting a real bag full of tries this season and, if he remains fit, Gildart becoming a long term England centre in the not too distant future


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4 hours ago, Trojan said:

There was a similar incident in the England France Union game.  The French player clearly had a finger on the ball and it was over the line, but the TV ref didn't allow the score. I thought their rules on this were the same as ours.  On the other hand I recall an incident live on TV years ago when Dessie Drummond and the ball were both over the line at the same time, but never in contact with one another. The ref, clearly unsighted awarded the try.  We surely don't want a return to those days.

The laws of the game state that ref cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded

"Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because he was not in a position to see the grounding of the ball."

 

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Wigan and Warrington got a mention on Twitter by Russell Crowe (2.3 million followers) and by Chris Evans on Radio 2. That publicity alone must be worth a fair whack!

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13 minutes ago, Padge said:

The laws of the game state that ref cannot disallow a try because he didn't see it grounded

"Referee unsighted The Referee should not disallow a try because he was not in a position to see the grounding of the ball."

 

I can't argue because I haven't seen the game. But in the Union game I referred to I was amazed (and so were the commentary team) when the TMO advised the ref not to award the try (I believe that's the correct terminology for Union pedants)  The player clearly touched the ball, albeit with a fingertip. 


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One thing that this highlights is how best to blend the best of SL and the best of the NRL. If we had been pasted again Bennett could have gone with picking every NRLer available to him. Now though we can again argue that SL produces some top class players, that the best club teams are not far off their equivalents. And that we can develop styles that work against the NRL brigade. I hope Bennett gets that one right. 

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 I was at both matches over the weekend. Well done to Warrington and Wigan,

But, in yesterday's match: who was that guy in orange directing play behind Cornulla's players?

Was he a physio, or part of the coaching staff?

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Congratulations Wigan.  It was another pulsating match to watch after the Warrington-Brisbane game.  Quite different but equally intense.  I've got to admit to having an internal struggle to cheer them on as the match got nearer, especially after Warrington had already done SL proud, but the way Cronulla played was disgraceful.  They were everything bad that I think of when I think of Aussie RL but none of the good things.  By the 10th minute I was up cheering with the rest.

Well done Wigan, I hope that you go over there next year and do it to them in their own backyard (obviously in the WCS not WCC, as that will involve Saints smashing showing the Aussies how it's done!;))

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57 minutes ago, hariseldon said:

 I was at both matches over the weekend. Well done to Warrington and Wigan,

But, in yesterday's match: who was that guy in orange directing play behind Cornulla's players?

Was he a physio, or part of the coaching staff?

According to Dave Woods on R5LX there were sometimes two of them. I've complained before about Keith Senior being allowed to do this for Sheffield at the Keepmoat against Fev in 2015.  And I've seen other clubs do it. It really should be stopped.  Players should be on their own on the field, to produce what their skill and vision is capable of producing, not moved about by some puppet master on a radio in the stand.  If this continues we may as well dispense with the players and have virtual games on line.


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