wackojacko Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Seems unbalanced for mine, only 2 wingers (I really struggle to see who'll play there if there's an injury) and 2 centres but 4 halfbacks and Ratchford as a utility seems like overkill. As previously mentioned, would take DCE if he'd decided he felt English but Heighington isn't good enough at rugby to play for England, allegiances aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just now, wackojacko said: The question was how we are going to play, not what effect it will have. I offered my opinion to the proposition of that style of play based on past performances. Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Prendle Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, DoubleD said: He played in the play off semis (and had a blinder) so doubt it Then I have no idea why hasn't been chosen. I suppose the thing is that he plays on the wing, and England coaches will still be rolling Ryan hall out in 30 years time, even if they have to put castors on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiepuss Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, DoubleD said: Not a bad squad but I'd have picked a few different: Heighington out for Ward/G Burgess Ratchford out for S Tomkins K Brown out for Makinson Always been a big fan of Makinson. Not a Saints fan so don't see him every week, but I'd have had him in the squad well before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vichyssoise Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, Manfred Mann said: Heighington is a mediocrity and a journeyman who would not get selected for Australia or New Zealand (even if he qualified). He showed this year that he couldn't keep up with the pace of the game anymore. Which is sad because I like him a lot. I honestly don't understand that selection. Bennett probably didn't watch as many Cronulla games as I did this year. Up, up Cronulla; The boys in the black, white and blue; Up, up Cronulla; Name of the Sharks fits you; Sharks, Sharks forever; Go out and play without fear; Now's the time to see good football*; For the Sharks are here! * Subject to change Currently playing: Gorbachev: The Fall of Communism & Swing States 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jim Prendle said: That's an excellent point. Is Makinson injured or something? 6 minutes ago, DoubleD said: He played in the play off semis (and had a blinder) so doubt it I would have taken Makinson or Ben Jones-Bishop over one of the halves (probably Brown) as they add some cover and quality to the outside backs. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, wackojacko said: Seems unbalanced for mine, only 2 wingers (I really struggle to see who'll play there if there's an injury) and 2 centres but 4 halfbacks and Ratchford as a utility seems like overkill. As previously mentioned, would take DCE if he'd decided he felt English but Heighington isn't good enough at rugby to play for England, allegiances aside. Is the game in England so barren for players that they will choose an Australian Player if he should suddenly decide to "feel English" The fact he has played 11 times for Australia already obviously counts him out. Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Prendle Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Allora said: Is the game in England so barren for players that they will choose an Australian Player if he should suddenly decide to "feel English" The fact he has played 11 times for Australia already obviously counts him out. I agree, it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Allora said: Is the game in England so barren for players that they will choose an Australian Player if he should suddenly decide to "feel English" The fact he has played 11 times for Australia already obviously counts him out. Maybe he could still play for Wales though, with a surname like Evans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Allora said: Is the game in England so barren for players that they will choose an Australian Player if he should suddenly decide to "feel English" The fact he has played 11 times for Australia already obviously counts him out. But Australia were fine picking Kiwi born, World Cup Winner Tonie Carroll? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Prendle Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Dunbar said: I would have taken Makinson or Ben Jones-Bishop over one of the halves (probably Brown) as they add some cover and quality to the outside backs. The more I think about it, the more confused I become regarding the omission of Makinson. Not just from this squad, but from previous ones as well. I am as far from being a Saints fan as it is possible to be, but this guy is just a great player. Exciting, brave, defensively brilliant at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just now, DoubleD said: Maybe he could still play for Wales though, with a surname like Evans? Or even Fiji, apparently he has been on a booze Cruise there when he was younger :-) Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Spidey said: But Australia were fine picking Kiwi born, World Cup Winner Tonie Carroll? ? Well the rules were different back in the dark ages Spidey. Things have moved on and rules have changed, Tonie moved to Brisbane as a young boy and played all his Junior football in the Brisbane area. You seem to have Uluru on your shoulder about something Spidey, did a Dingo take your Sister? How long has DCE lived in Wigan? Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackojacko Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Allora said: Is the game in England so barren for players that they will choose an Australian Player if he should suddenly decide to "feel English" The fact he has played 11 times for Australia already obviously counts him out. 'If he'd decided he felt English'. If he decided he was English now I wouldn't take him but before he chose Australia he was being touted as an option for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, Spidey said: But Australia were fine picking Kiwi born, World Cup Winner Tonie Carroll? ? Now now Spidey, you know the eligibility rules have been tightened recently to avoid this sort of farce ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Allora said: Well the rules were different back in the dark ages Spidey. Things have moved on and rules have changed, Tonie moved to Brisbane as a young boy and played all his Junior football in the Brisbane area. You seem to have Uluru on your shoulder about something Spidey, did a Dingo take your Sister? How long has DCE lived in Wigan? It was very much a joke. I have been told Aussies don't have a sense of humour. You're sort of proving that point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just now, wackojacko said: 'If he'd decided he felt English'. If he decided he was English now I wouldn't take him but before he chose Australia he was being touted as an option for us. Touted by who? his agent, somebody on TRL? Touted by a desperate England Coach, who was the Coach that said he would leave no stone unturned to find any Aussies players with links to England? The Morris Twins, the Newcastle Half etc Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 16 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I had hoped that Brown was a misprint, but sadly not! I have no problem with Heighington, he put his hand up back in 2011 and is a solid player. It's easy to question why WB has included him but we don't know what he brings to the squad. I suspect he's the kind of player who trains the house down and sets the example. Every team, however great, still have such players. Tomkins should have been there in place of Ratchford and as a replacement for Brown where he could have covered #1 and #6. It would have freed up the three-quarters place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackojacko Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Allora said: Touted by who? his agent, somebody on TRL? Touted by a desperate England Coach, who was the Coach that said he would leave no stone unturned to find any Aussies players with links to England? The Morris Twins, the Newcastle Half etc The press IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 My test team from the squad names 1. Lomax 2. McGillvary 3. Watkins 4. Percival 5. Hall 6. Widdop 7. Gale 8. T. Burgess 9. Hodgson 10. Graham 11. Currie 12. Whitehead 13. Sam Burgess 14. O'Louglin 15. Williams 16. Walmsley 17. Roby As stated before, I would start Sam Burgess at 13 and essentially run on with 3 big men and then move Sam Burgess up to prop when O'Loughlin comes on and use Burgess *2, Walmsley and Graham as the front row rotation and that gives us the freedom to start with Hodgson and bring Roby on (Hodgson has played some loose forward this year as well) while still having Williams as cover for the halves or an impact player. I think we need to give Widdop/Gales as much time together as possible - they have been great all year, we can't start playing with combinations - give them a chance to perform. Currie and Whitehead are our best attacking options on the right and left edge while the three quarters pick themselves (as there isn't anybody else in the squad! "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Spidey said: It was very much a joke. I have been told Aussies don't have a sense of humour. You're sort of proving that point ? Your "jokes" are very consistent and hardly come under the category of humour. The face at the end does not cut it. Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 36 minutes ago, DavidM said: I’d have had in him as a squad player , yes he has faults but I think the positives he has are an asset and he can be xfactor if needed And he's played in the NRL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 For those going on about DCE or the Morris twins....you can't move sideways! That's tier 1 to tier 1 OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wollo Wollo Wayoo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 45 minutes ago, Dr Tim Whatley said: The omission of Eden seems odd to me. What am I missing? Saturday's game at Old Trafford for starters. This world was never meant for one as beautiful as me. Wakefield Trinity RLFC 2012 - 2014 "The wasted years" 2013, 2014 & 2015 Official Magic Weekend "Whipping Boys" 2017 - The year the dream disappeared under Grix's left foot. 2018 - The FinniChezz Bromance 2019 - The Return of the Prodigal Son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, wackojacko said: The press IIRC. Steven Mascord? http://www.rugby-league.com/article/38953/we-got-issues-heritage-players It must have some depth then...... Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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