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59 minutes ago, Reverend Ram said:

maybe, just maybe, the oz are running scared - if England can only just lose 6-0 in the WCF what would GB do?

The exact same but in a different jersey?

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11 hours ago, Reverend Ram said:

It must be a sad indication of the times that the status of GB tours is readily consigned to the dustbin by correspondents (is that the right term here?) - us older types will remember the excitement of Aussie tours and four big memories overall - the ‘86 test and Lydon’s try at the Stretford End; Connolly’s amazing pull back of Bradley Clyde at Wembley, Mike Gregory’s Melbourne try and Moz’s 12 second sending off - but we were competitive and could still be - and remember the GB element would help the other nations (Danny Brough a year or two ago should have been playing for “England” but would have been a GB star). It is Lindsay’s legacy that the Ashes went into the dustbin of history but if there was a will it could be resurrected- but I fully agree the inept way the RL is handling such a missed opportunity. Still we can enjoy our memories and maybe, just maybe, the oz are running scared - if England can only just lose 6-0 in the WCF what would GB do?

Danny Brough was English. He played for England once against the Exiles. He just didn't get in the team ahead of Sinfield and Widdop. Him being Scottish and getting a chance to play for GB wouldn't have made a difference.

 

Unless you think wearing the GB shirt will give the players more talent than wearing the England shirt, I can't imagine it making any difference at all. Same players. Same coaching staff. Same game. Pretty much same record. What's the point?

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On 4/16/2018 at 11:53 PM, Scubby said:

Don't get me bloody started on the merchandising. I still have a 2006 GB Key ring - that's how bad things are.

Currently, England RL doesn't even have a shop or a single item for sale centrally

http://www.rugby-league.com/england/shop 

 

Don't bring up the mug again Scubby. We get it. ;)


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11 hours ago, Dave T said:

I'm not convinced your memory is that great, with respect.

 

Call it age I think but having slept on it I recall now it was Brad Fittler at 13 for the Aussies who was unceremoniously yanked back from scoring a certain try?

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I recall that GB teams in the past had players from Scotland and Wales. The first WC was won by GB with a Scottish captain. Plenty of Welsh players have been involved over the years. Today, wouldn't the team just be English players? If that's the case, I don't see the point other than a walk down memory lane. 

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Despite identifying that preparation and time is vital to make an international event work, we are still fannying around trying to sort stuff out for this season, nevermind Oct/Nov 19. This sport never learns and deserves all the criticism it gets. The entire programme leading up to 2021 should be confirmed already; not necessary the finer detail but tour locations and competitions should be in the diary now.

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11 minutes ago, RayCee said:

I recall that GB teams in the past had players from Scotland and Wales. The first WC was won by GB with a Scottish captain. Plenty of Welsh players have been involved over the years. Today, wouldn't the team just be English players? If that's the case, I don't see the point other than a walk down memory lane. 

36 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Danny Brough was English. He played for England once against the Exiles. He just didn't get in the team ahead of Sinfield and Widdop. Him being Scottish and getting a chance to play for GB wouldn't have made a difference.

 

Unless you think wearing the GB shirt will give the players more talent than wearing the England shirt, I can't imagine it making any difference at all. Same players. Same coaching staff. Same game. Pretty much same record. What's the point?

The incentive is there for playing for the home nations instead of only England and still be able to play at the highest level / otherwise we can forget about ever having meaningful world cups with successful northern hemisphere teams. As for Danny Brough even that well known and opinionated pundit G.Schofield said Broughy should have been in the England side - it is no coincidence that his more recent loss of form is a reason why the Fart-owners are struggling.

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42 minutes ago, Reverend Ram said:

Call it age I think but having slept on it I recall now it was Brad Fittler at 13 for the Aussies who was unceremoniously yanked back from scoring a certain try?

Maybe, but Mike Gregory scored hia legendary try at SFS, and the Moz sending off was in an Ashes after Lindsay had left the RFL. He wasnt responsible for the binning of the Ashes.

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2 hours ago, Reverend Ram said:

 

Your logic about meaningful world cups inextricably linked to Lions tours escapes me.


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22 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Richard Lewis binned the Lions concept in 2007 with the intention of it being a touring side similar to the RU Lions.

And before that, in 2004 the 3N was introduced which replaced the regular ashes series'. Certainly nowt to do with Lindsay.

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3 hours ago, GeordieSaint said:

Despite identifying that preparation and time is vital to make an international event work, we are still fannying around trying to sort stuff out for this season, nevermind Oct/Nov 19. This sport never learns and deserves all the criticism it gets. The entire programme leading up to 2021 should be confirmed already; not necessary the finer detail but tour locations and competitions should be in the diary now.

I really think the outline structure should be arranged, I am extremely jealous of the RU structure which has the 6N early in the year, plus the Autumn internationals, plus Summer tours. Two windows where games will be played at home for UK based teams.

But one thing that did surprise me is that the actual Autumn internationals in Union are announced quite late in the day. For example, Wales have just announced theirs, and Scotland do not have their tickets on sale yet. This would be ripped if it was RL.

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4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I really think the outline structure should be arranged, I am extremely jealous of the RU structure which has the 6N early in the year, plus the Autumn internationals, plus Summer tours. Two windows where games will be played at home for UK based teams.

But one thing that did surprise me is that the actual Autumn internationals in Union are announced quite late in the day. For example, Wales have just announced theirs, and Scotland do not have their tickets on sale yet. This would be ripped if it was RL.

When stuff is set in stone year in, year out you can have that luxury. I would imagine multiple year corporates, memberships/debentures and sponsorships are already in places. They are also at one venue for all games.

When you don't do a single thing on an annual cycle (like England RL home fixtures for example) then you are starting at base every single time. 

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14 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I really think the outline structure should be arranged, I am extremely jealous of the RU structure which has the 6N early in the year, plus the Autumn internationals, plus Summer tours. Two windows where games will be played at home for UK based teams.

But one thing that did surprise me is that the actual Autumn internationals in Union are announced quite late in the day. For example, Wales have just announced theirs, and Scotland do not have their tickets on sale yet. This would be ripped if it was RL.

Yeah but in RU they know roughly when and pretty much exactly where they will be playing, all thats left to be confirmed is the who. We generally know none of that (and i think the RFL were pretty well acclaimed by people on here for announcing the NZ details quite early)

We don't even know what the RFL see the Lions concept as, never mind actual game details. There is also a big difference between people travelling to cardiff and people travelling to canberra

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10 minutes ago, Scubby said:

When stuff is set in stone year in, year out you can have that luxury. I would imagine multiple year corporates, memberships/debentures and sponsorships are already in places. They are also at one venue for all games.

When you don't do a single thing on an annual cycle (like England RL home fixtures for example) then you are starting at base every single time. 

Yep. Thats a big benefit of having your own stadium (or at least a share in one). We really need a home base.

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25 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Yeah but in RU they know roughly when and pretty much exactly where they will be playing, all thats left to be confirmed is the who. We generally know none of that (and i think the RFL were pretty well acclaimed by people on here for announcing the NZ details quite early)

We don't even know what the RFL see the Lions concept as, never mind actual game details. There is also a big difference between people travelling to cardiff and people travelling to canberra

Hence my opening line.

But the RFL were ripped for not having the Wembley tickets on sale as early as usual due to a ticket system upgrade. 

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6 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Hence my opening line.

But the RFL were ripped for not having the Wembley tickets on sale as early as usual due to a ticket system upgrade. 

When Wembley is as oversubscribed as some of those autumn games then we can release them any time we like. This year's final crowd is in danger of being an absolute shocker unless there is a fair wind with competing teams. 

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1 hour ago, Scubby said:

When Wembley is as oversubscribed as some of those autumn games then we can release them any time we like. This year's final crowd is in danger of being an absolute shocker unless there is a fair wind with competing teams. 

What makes you say that about the final? You think we have lost sales by having them on sale a bit later?

And the Autumn internationals I am referring to are not over-subscribed. Whilst the crowds are very impressive, the likes of Wales had thousands of unsold seats last year.

My point is that these fixtures have been announced, and yet the tickets are not on sale. Scotland RU's site just claims that tickets will be on sales in Spring/Summer. 

I suspect they have key dates that they find most effective for ticket sales, but this approach gets a slating in RL circles.

I'm not saying it is an approach that we should follow, but maybe just getting tickets on sale as early as possible isn't the best approach, as that doesn't appear to be many other's approach.

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15 minutes ago, Dave T said:

What makes you say that about the final? You think we have lost sales by having them on sale a bit later?

And the Autumn internationals I am referring to are not over-subscribed. Whilst the crowds are very impressive, the likes of Wales had thousands of unsold seats last year.

My point is that these fixtures have been announced, and yet the tickets are not on sale. Scotland RU's site just claims that tickets will be on sales in Spring/Summer. 

I suspect they have key dates that they find most effective for ticket sales, but this approach gets a slating in RL circles.

I'm not saying it is an approach that we should follow, but maybe just getting tickets on sale as early as possible isn't the best approach, as that doesn't appear to be many other's approach.

No I think the core general sales for the final have been slipping each year. By letting the opening of the pre-sales fall later it is another habit lost for some people potentially. We should be pushing hard the other way for the cup final, finding ways to generate another 15-25k general sales but that is a whole new thread.

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4 hours ago, Dave T said:

Maybe, but Mike Gregory scored hia legendary try at SFS, and the Moz sending off was in an Ashes after Lindsay had left the RFL. He wasnt responsible for the binning of the Ashes.

Thanks,  The memory cells do need a spring clean! 

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28 minutes ago, 17 stone giant said:

Well, it's on. Now just have to wait and see what the itinerary is. 

And whether it won't just be a tarted-up England team masquerading as Great Britain.

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Just now, Big Picture said:

And whether it won't just be a tarted-up England team masquerading as Great Britain.

Realistically it can't be anything but that, can it? Is there even anyone we can tart it up with? Regan Grace, perhaps?

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It's already been decided that the GB squad will be the England team with 2-3 players each selected from Wales,Scotland & Ireland...so a quota GB squad....


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