Australian schoolboys UK tour

[rhinos78]

28 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Why would he not be playing in these games? Surely these 2 tests (and the county ganes) alongside the training camps will have done a great deal for the development of the English lads.

As for Farnsworth, the NRL pre season is under way so I guess that was a hindrance but I can't wait to see this kid play.

Darbos only just finished his first year in the 19's so he would be eligible again nxt season, he's a great prospect but dont think he'd shift any of the pack we'v seen in the test series, he could well be  a better prospect than a couple who'v played but the extra year development probably gave others an edge for this series, especially since we already had a lot of 1st years playing.  if England Academy play any games nxt season they could field a pack of

8. Holroyd

9. Johnson

10. Havard 

11. Darbo

12. Walters

13. Smithies

Makes this series all the more impressive seeing that 5 of the forwards who dominated the Aussies still qualify nxt year.

 

[Dunbar]

1 minute ago, rhinos78 said:

Darbos only just finished his first year in the 19's so he would be eligible again nxt season, he's a great prospect but dont think he'd shift any of the pack we'v seen in the test series, he could well be  a better prospect than a couple who'v played but the extra year development probably gave others an edge for this series, especially since we already had a lot of 1st years playing.  if England Academy play any games nxt season they could field a pack of

8. Holroyd

9. Johnson

10. Havard 

11. Darbo

12. Walters

13. Smithies

Makes this series all the more impressive seeing that 5 of the forwards who dominated the Aussies still qualify nxt year.

 

We should have a whip round to send them for a series in Australia next year. Would love to see that pack take them on down under.

[rhinos78]

1 minute ago, Dunbar said:

We should have a whip round to send them for a series in Australia next year. Would love to see that pack take them on down under.

Yeah i would love to see them tour Australia myself, that pack, all as second years, are a frightening prospect at under 18 level. Theres a second row at Leeds called Brad Martin who im expecting huge things from this season aswel, he'l be a 2nd year this coming season, he was in and out the Leeds academy team with injury this season, he reminds me of a young Simon Haughton.

I said in an earlier post that i was cautiously optomistic that this was one of the best groups England have ever put together at Academy level, id expand that to a 4 year block of talents, from the likes of Mik Oledzki, Cam Smith, James Batchelor, Sammy Kibula, Jack Walker, Jake Trueman, Louis Johnson and Danny Walker, who are all only one year above being eligible  for this academy team , to all the 1st and 2nd years who'v proved what talents they are for Yorkshire, Lancashire and England in this series, with quite a lot of very good players in these age groups who havnt featured in any of these games aswel, to next seasons first years which has a lot of great talents headlined by Umyla Hanley.

Iv never seen England have so much potential coming through in probably 15 year, maybe longer. The key now is to make sure we develop as many of them as possible.

[Lowdesert]

15 hours ago, DoubleD said:

Just back from the game and another impressive, dominant performance by England. 

If I was going to have a gripe, England did revert to too much one out forward play - they got too excited making easy metres up field. They should have, having got on a roll for a couple of tackles, then linked in with the back line to take advantage of a fragmented and disorganised defence to open the Aussies up. Hence why they didn’t win by more. 

England’s forwards were dominant again against a poor Australian pack. In particular Trout and Walters were standouts for me in the second row, although all the props were excellent. Walters got a head knock at the end of the first half and didn’t return but he has a huge amount of potential. He’s very slight but has a good frame and runs excellent lines. Trout is more physical and also has good hands. I think Trout played the full 80 and Walters would’ve if he hadn’t got a head knock.

Smith had a pretty ordinary game for England, some poor attacking kicks in the first half, but improved in the second. McLelland didn’t impress again but perhaps he didn’t get enough ball. The Senior twins once again demonstrate that they haven’t mastered the basic skill levels. Nisbet on the other wing looked like a fish out of water, and not up to this level. Welsby was excellent in the backs, really showing his ability in this game. I was pleased for him, after he underperformed in the first test. He’s got a very bright future, and I know Saints think a lot of him. 

For Australia, they were really hindered by Best being injured, he was a bit of a passenger, which was a shame. Crichton looks a good prospect on the wing and Star T’oa again showed up well. I was amazed Madden kept his place and they didn’t move Talau back to stand off. Madden is the worst Aussie stand off I’ve seen at Schoolboy level. 

Overall, an excellent series. I was surprised how poor the Aussies were. It would have been interesting to see how they’d got on with the likes of Xerri and a couple of others who got pulled out prior to the tour. Things look pretty good for England though, especially in the forwards 

Good spectacle last night and agree regarding Smith.  Having said that, he calmed the team throughout the 2nd half.  

Surprised in the overall dominance we had in the forwards. They were just far too much for Australia who never got a real chance to aim at our weaknesses, therefore a great team effort.  

 Sure, in the warmth of their own country they would be a different proposition but to balance that, we haven’t had the warm up games they’ve had.  Very little Australian press coverage on this today and despite this series being at a lower level to NRL or SL, it’s quite clear this is a major shock overall.

[The Partisan]

Just like to acknowledge young Wellsby. Class player and obviously a quality person as first to shake hands with the Australian boys. 

[The Future is League]

9 hours ago, Lowdesert said:

Good spectacle last night and agree regarding Smith.  Having said that, he calmed the team throughout the 2nd half.  

Surprised in the overall dominance we had in the forwards. They were just far too much for Australia who never got a real chance to aim at our weaknesses, therefore a great team effort.  

 Sure, in the warmth of their own country they would be a different proposition but to balance that, we haven’t had the warm up games they’ve had.  Very little Australian press coverage on this today and despite this series being at a lower level to NRL or SL, it’s quite clear this is a major shock overall.

"Very Little Australian press coverage" Aussies don't like to report on their losses.

[Copa]

6 hours ago, The Future is League said:

"Very Little Australian press coverage" Aussies don't like to report on their losses.

I’ve almost never seen Australian school boys games in the Australian media.

In fact, if it wasn’t for this forum, I’d probably not know they were playing.

[Mushy]

NRL dot com hasn’t even mentioned the match. It had an article three weeks ago saying how Meninga was bringing them into the fold of the national team set up, a brief report on the first test loss...and then nothing. Curious. They must have too much to cover, what with features on the players holidays and favourite Christmas food and all. 

[deluded pom?]

4 minutes ago, Mushy said:

NRL dot com hasn’t even mentioned the match. It had an article three weeks ago saying how Meninga was bringing them into the fold of the national team set up, a brief report on the first test loss...and then nothing. Curious. They must have too much to cover, what with features on the players holidays and favourite Christmas food and all. 

Don’t forget the Jack de Belin story too. 

[OMEGA]

Ourfottyteam.com usually carries news of the tours but even they’re a bit lacking where this tours concerned

[Lowdesert]

7 hours ago, OMEGA said:

Ourfottyteam.com usually carries news of the tours but even they’re a bit lacking where this tours concerned

The Courier isn’t.  

[BroncoFan]

On 12/15/2018 at 11:10 PM, Saint 1 said:

 

Anything in particular? You've intrigued me! 

There’s a few things that concern me, kids in junior rep teams are being taught that in defence first man in must go around the chest. 

Passing drills - they are teaching kids to pass with straight arms, this imo is ######.

Ball carrying - training to hold the ball in one hand, 

No off the cuff footy, no chip & chase and have to be in a certain zone to kick. It’s all a big ############

[BroncoFan]

So that’s just a few things that I can remember, there are more

[BroncoFan]

On 12/15/2018 at 11:15 PM, rhinos78 said:

Darbos only just finished his first year in the 19's so he would be eligible again nxt season, he's a great prospect but dont think he'd shift any of the pack we'v seen in the test series, he could well be  a better prospect than a couple who'v played but the extra year development probably gave others an edge for this series, especially since we already had a lot of 1st years playing.  if England Academy play any games nxt season they could field a pack of

8. Holroyd

9. Johnson

10. Havard 

11. Darbo

12. Walters

13. Smithies

Makes this series all the more impressive seeing that 5 of the forwards who dominated the Aussies still qualify nxt year.

 

Doro was in the original squad but then was injured, he’s back killing it now.

[deluded pom?]

There’s a report of the second Test on the APRLC website.

https://www.asiapacificrl.com/2018/12/17/england-academy-defeat-australian-schoolboys-in-second-test/

[Allora]

14 hours ago, Lowdesert said:

The Courier isn’t.  

What is the Courier?

Junior Schoolboy games get little or no coverage in Australia, Home or Away, win, lose or draw.

They never have.

The Media and most of the publics mindset has moved on to Cricket and Summer Sports.

Like it or belive it or not, its a fact. It was reflected in last years World Cup fan turnout in many regards.

 

 

[Luckycreed]

2 hours ago, Allora said:

What is the Courier?

Junior Schoolboy games get little or no coverage in Australia, Home or Away, win, lose or draw.

They never have.

The Media and most of the publics mindset has moved on to Cricket and Summer Sports.

Like it or belive it or not, its a fact. It was reflected in last years World Cup fan turnout in many regards.

I assume he means the Courier Mail our local Murdoch rag.Junior sport of any kind gets no mainstream media coverage in Australia and once the grand final is run and won things move on almost overnight.

October and early November is Horse Racing, then Cricket takes over and then in the second half of January you get a burst of tennis and then in early February a bit of Rugby League starts appearing in the papers and by the end of Feb cricket has vanished and Rugby League is dominating again.

 

 

[rhinos78]

17 hours ago, Emosi Koloto said:

Doro was in the original squad but then was injured, he’s back killing it now.

Yeah seen he was in the original squad, dont think he'd of been an improvement on the pack which played this series personaly.  Very good talent though

[Lowdesert]

7 hours ago, Allora said:

What is the Courier?

Junior Schoolboy games get little or no coverage in Australia, Home or Away, win, lose or draw.

They never have.

The Media and most of the publics mindset has moved on to Cricket and Summer Sports.

Like it or belive it or not, its a fact. It was reflected in last years World Cup fan turnout in many regards.

 

 

Your mates answered what it is.  Maybe they should cover it more as there was some great effort put in by both sides.  

Are you suggesting that if the AS’s had won there wouldn’t be any press either?  There was plenty beforehand with Meninga getting his mug in every shot.  Did everyone then forget they were playing during summer sports?  

[Allora]

6 hours ago, Lowdesert said:

Your mates answered what it is.  Maybe they should cover it more as there was some great effort put in by both sides.  

Are you suggesting that if the AS’s had won there wouldn’t be any press either?  There was plenty beforehand with Meninga getting his mug in every shot.  Did everyone then forget they were playing during summer sports?  

I only saw one article about Meninga.

If Australia had won there would be the same publicity as if they lost, next to none.

People are watching other sports and schoolboys results don't get much attention in Australia.

 

[Harry Stottle]

4 hours ago, Allora said:

I only saw one article about Meninga.

If Australia had won there would be the same publicity as if they lost, next to none.

People are watching other sports and schoolboys results don't get much attention in Australia.

 

No disrespect, but if someone is interested in a paticular sport no matter what time of year it is they will surely be sourcing information.

Are you actually saying when the Australian Cricket Team go on tours, which will be in Cricket's off season there is no clamour for information. Will an ashes series in "old blighty" be of no interest? or when Smith, Warner and Lehmann shed a few tears after the South African incident the Aus public shunned it as it was in the NRL, AFL, Union and Soccer season.

[Luckycreed]

22 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

No disrespect, but if someone is interested in a paticular sport no matter what time of year it is they will surely be sourcing information.

Are you actually saying when the Australian Cricket Team go on tours, which will be in Cricket's off season there is no clamour for information. Will an ashes series in "old blighty" be of no interest? or when Smith, Warner and Lehmann shed a few tears after the South African incident the Aus public shunned it as it was in the NRL, AFL, Union and Soccer season.

Yeh but not under age cricket , in fact I wouldn't even no if Australia has a schoolboys cricket team. and other than an ashes tour the volume of coverage off season is much reduced,Professional  Soccer is actually a summer sport down here  or at least an October until April sport.

I can honestly say in the Courier Mail the only junior sports that get any coverage are GPS Rugby Union  which gets an occasional paragraph and the "head of the river" the GPS rowing regatta will usually get a picture and a few lines, (GPS = Greater Public Schools ie the really elite private ones)That is because these schools have lots of old boys who who take an interest in that kind of thing.

[Allora]

51 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

No disrespect, but if someone is interested in a paticular sport no matter what time of year it is they will surely be sourcing information.

Are you actually saying when the Australian Cricket Team go on tours, which will be in Cricket's off season there is no clamour for information. Will an ashes series in "old blighty" be of no interest? or when Smith, Warner and Lehmann shed a few tears after the South African incident the Aus public shunned it as it was in the NRL, AFL, Union and Soccer season.

I can only speak for myself and I have no interest in Cricket at all.

The people that do follow Cricket probably keep an eye on their game in Oz winter but not to the extent of the home summer games, just the fact the time zones kill it as a live sport.

 

I agree with the post above me regarding Junior sport.

 

 

 

[Luckycreed]

14 minutes ago, Allora said:

I can only speak for myself and I have no interest in Cricket at all.

The people that do follow Cricket probably keep an eye on their game in Oz winter but not to the extent of the home summer games, just the fact the time zones kill it as a live sport.

 

I agree with the post above me regarding Junior sport.

 

Also the fact that ashes tours of England excepted the matches are not on free to air, so you  need foxtel to watch them and seventy percent of Australian households do not have it.

I will add that I am talking about general sports media, any specialist Rugby League website should have given the tour a decent amount of coverage given that nothing much else is going on in Rugby League at the moment and I congratulate this website for doing so.

 

 

[Lowdesert]

9 hours ago, Allora said:

I only saw one article about Meninga.

If Australia had won there would be the same publicity as if they lost, next to none.

People are watching other sports and schoolboys results don't get much attention in Australia.

 

Fair enough.