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On ‎15‎/‎08‎/‎2019 at 21:01, Kevin fatboy said:

3rd time at headingley and as bad as ever, the game is supposed to be about 2 teams but every time we end talking about how ###### he is, no way he is super league standard 

2nd time KF has posted and as bad as before.  The forum is supposed to be about exchanging constructively expressed opinions, but with KF the danger will be that every time we end up talking about how ###### his contributions are.  No way is he TRLFF standard!

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On 15/08/2019 at 21:01, Kevin fatboy said:

3rd time at headingley and as bad as ever, the game is supposed to be about 2 teams but every time we end talking about how ###### he is, no way he is super league standard 

This is embarrassing. I’m a Leeds fan but they didn’t lose because the referee, people over analysis referee performances

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As a neutral I thought he had a good game nice to see a ref and his linesmen calling foward passes.

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On 15/08/2019 at 21:01, Kevin fatboy said:

3rd time at headingley and as bad as ever, the game is supposed to be about 2 teams but every time we end talking about how ###### he is, no way he is super league standard 

Did Leeds lose by any chance?

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On 16/08/2019 at 17:46, Griff9of13 said:

I'd rather have Chris Kendall than several other refs at this level. He normally allows the games to flow and gets the balance right between letting things go and pinging every trivial offence.

I'd rather have any referee than any of the "know-it-alls" on fans forums who seem to take great delight in bagging the officials at every opportunity!

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As someone’s already said, get along to your local referee’s society and take up the whistle.

My wife said to me “you’re always slagging the refs off, here’s an advert in the paper to join em” so I did and 6 years later I’m running out to referee my first international match.

Just go for it 

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I'm really struggling to think of another sport where the players try and cheat and con the referee as much as Rugby League (at the top level anyway).

In football, we sometimes see players diving to try and win a foul or a penalty when there was no contact... this maybe happens 3 or 4 times a game. I remember when we used to laugh at football and all the cheating that went on.

In Rugby League now though, a player tries to con the ref in almost every tackle.  Whether that is locking another player into the tackle, stripping the ball, releasing ball to win a penalty or (as with Greg Bird yesterday) throwing himself to the ground to try and pretend he was on the end of a dangerous tackle.

We should be embarrassed about what our game has become and it is only when, as a sport, we are collectively embarrassed enough we will actually try and fix it.

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Footballers are constantly trying to con refs, claiming throw ins, corners, pulling shirts etc, so it absolutely does happen in football. 

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Rugby League requires the referee to make a decision on almost every tackle though - the player on player contact, holding down and offside require constant assessment and monitoring, and on each tackle there's up to 26 players spread 360 degrees around the ref who are looking to gain an advantage which the three officials don't see or don't judge worthy of penalising. It's a huge workload compared to a football referee.

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It happens far too much in rl,partly because of the reluctance of referees to use the sin bin early in the game and also because a penalty isn't much of a penalty. One side gains around 20 m ,whilst the offending side reorganises their defence.

Seven tavkles after kicking the ball dead has reduced some aimless kicking,so why not give seven or even eight tackles after a penalty. Equally,dont wait until the 75th min to sin bin someone,get them off after 10 mins,if the team offend 2/3 times at the tackle. Why dont the tv interviewers embarrass the coaches by asking a few of them,why their teams continually try and destroy the game. Is this the coaches tactics or are their instructions ignored,if so why does he keep picking that player?

Frankly,I'm sick to death with the number of penalties. There are now more in a game of league than many games of union. Do something about it.

 

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1 hour ago, cookey said:

Frankly,I'm sick to death with the number of penalties. There are now more in a game of league than many games of union. Do something about it.

 

I agree with this but there are far fewer penalties than there could be in a game.

Literally every single scrum and every single play the ball breaks the laws of the game... the ridiculous position we have put our referees in is not refereeing to the laws but asking them to provide some kind of judgement on how much unlawful play is acceptable. 

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There should be a trial of something like every 5th penalty gives a yellow card, no matter the offence. A team punishment for infringing.

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On 15/08/2019 at 21:01, Kevin fatboy said:

3rd time at headingley and as bad as ever, the game is supposed to be about 2 teams but every time we end talking about how ###### he is, no way he is super league standard 

 first of all do you mean it was YOUR 3rd time at headingley because Kendal has been there a lot more times than that .

as a long time Leeds supporter I had no major issues with Kendal against st helens . 

yep he made a few mistakes but certainly nowhere near as many as the 34 players who entered the pitch .

seems its an extension of the find someone to blame/hate world we live in these days 

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22 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I agree with this but there are far fewer penalties than there could be in a game.

Literally every single scrum and every single play the ball breaks the laws of the game... the ridiculous position we have put our referees in is not refereeing to the laws but asking them to provide some kind of judgement on how much unlawful play is acceptable. 

 

21 minutes ago, Dave T said:

There should be a trial of something like every 5th penalty gives a yellow card, no matter the offence. A team punishment for infringing.

Agree with both of these and someone needs to do something about it ASAP. The players/coaches are literally ruining the game,by constant interferance at virtually every tackle. If the poor ref penalised every time,he would be criticised for spoiling the game and no doubt the coaches would blame the ref,rather than the players.

Yes,rather like basketball and it may be trialled in Union. Team penalties equals sin bin. So,whether its every fourth or fifth pen I dont care,but whoever commits the foul,for whatever reason,get him off after a set number of penalties.Only then might some coaches/players stop constantly spoiling the game.

As things stand,a penalty isn't sufficient penalty to stop players interferring,in the off chance that they might get away with it and get the ball back. Only way to stop it is an increased penalty,be it sin bin,additional tackles or whatever.

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Very good referee IMO


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36 minutes ago, paul hicks said:

 

yep he made a few mistakes but certainly nowhere near as many as the 34 players who entered the pitch .

 

This, 1,000 times this


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43 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I agree with this but there are far fewer penalties than there could be in a game.

Literally every single scrum and every single play the ball breaks the laws of the game... the ridiculous position we have put our referees in is not refereeing to the laws but asking them to provide some kind of judgement on how much unlawful play is acceptable. 

But will SKY allow the game to be refereed the way it should be ?

Too many penalties = to many stoppages in play = not attractive enough for the armchair viewer = less SKY subscriptions.

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16 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

But will SKY allow the game to be refereed the way it should be ?

Too many penalties = to many stoppages in play = not attractive enough for the armchair viewer = less SKY subscriptions.

I think you've got an rather twisted (and utterly incorrect) view of how much involvement Sky have in the running of the game.

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18 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

But will SKY allow the game to be refereed the way it should be ?

Too many penalties = to many stoppages in play = not attractive enough for the armchair viewer = less SKY subscriptions.

Reading through your posts, I am coming to the conclusion that you believe Rugby League does what Sky says.

If only there was some way to validate this theory.

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2 minutes ago, M j M said:

I think you've got an rather twisted (and utterly incorrect) view of how much involvement Sky have in the running of the game.

With respect, you say you "think" I've got such a view ... which is different from actually knowing and having had experience of it.

7 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Reading through your posts, I am coming to the conclusion that you believe Rugby League does what Sky says.

If only there was some way to validate this theory.

Yes, if only !!!! However, just because this forum might be accessed by various people throughout the RL world it doesn't mean they all should be privy to such information.

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52 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

With respect, you say you "think" I've got such a view ... which is different from actually knowing and having had experience of it.

Sorry, I was being polite, probably wasn't worth it.

Sky buy TV rights, agree major structure changes and pay tens of millions of pounds for it. And they move fixtures to suit their schedules.

They don't get involved in rule changes and are not on the phone to Elstone every week demanding he bows to their demands.

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2 minutes ago, M j M said:

Sorry, I was being polite, probably wasn't worth it.

Sky buy TV rights, agree major structure changes and pay tens of millions of pounds for it. And they move fixtures to suit their schedules.

They don't get involved in rule changes and are not on the phone to Elstone every week demanding he bows to their demands.

I do agree with all you say and I never doubted your politeness nor how you personally viewed such matters. It's not actual rule changes I mentioned, it was the way they are applied. As was mentioned earlier .....

2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

 ....... the ridiculous position we have put our referees in is not refereeing to the laws but asking them to provide some kind of judgement on how much unlawful play is acceptable. 

So, why are the referees being asked to do it and for what reason ? Do those supporters who have watched the game for years - and were obviously attracted to it by the way it was then played - want the referees to change their style and let unlawful play become acceptable ? If not, why has that change come into force only in recent years ? Obviously the referees haven't just decided to do it themselves without any instruction from above ... so someone else must have informed them that they want the game to flow more and be more entertaining for the general public (and not necessarily just for those who are ardent RL followers) to watch.

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31 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

I do agree with all you say and I never doubted your politeness nor how you personally viewed such matters. It's not actual rule changes I mentioned, it was the way they are applied. As was mentioned earlier .....

So, why are the referees being asked to do it and for what reason ? Do those supporters who have watched the game for years - and were obviously attracted to it by the way it was then played - want the referees to change their style and let unlawful play become acceptable ? If not, why has that change come into force only in recent years ? Obviously the referees haven't just decided to do it themselves without any instruction from above ... so someone else must have informed them that they want the game to flow more and be more entertaining for the general public (and not necessarily just for those who are ardent RL followers) to watch.

Firstly referees haven't changed their style, this is some sort of delusion.

But if they had, it wouldn't have come from Sky.

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