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27 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Touche, Tommy!

I don't understand why you keep banging your head against this particular wall Harry. Its a sideshow from your 3000miles away will never work and is far more brittle.

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57 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Me too, albeit I expect for different reasons.

I will say again, my reasons have nothing whatsoever to do with Toronto or any other club across the pond, I just don't think clubs from 3K+ miles away doing nothing to expand the sport in places in respect of participants is a good fit for our sport.

On this we must beg to differ.....

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4 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

On this we must beg to differ.....

From what I am hearing if Toronto are let back in they will play all there home matches in the UK/France until Canada opens up again maybe the entire season here or at least until things are safe maybe mid summer.

Ottawa same .

Makes total sense.

 

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5 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

From what I am hearing if Toronto are let back in they will play all there home matches in the UK/France until Canada opens up again maybe the entire season here or at least until things are safe maybe mid summer.

Ottawa same .

Makes total sense.

 

We will have to play this one by ear...no one knows what will happen although it appears we have a much greater grip on things than in the UK.....if marketed properly there could be a mass following develop of viewers over here...if any games are even allowed in the UK!....have to adopt a wait/see attitude.

It will all work itself out in the end.

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1 minute ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

From what I am hearing if Toronto are let back in they will play all there home matches in the UK/France until Canada opens up again maybe the entire season here or at least until things are safe maybe mid summer.

Ottawa same .

Makes total sense.

 

It may make sense but there is no guarantee when matches in Canada may be possible again. This year has shown that its hardly viable or sustainable doing this and even mid summer is a long time to have no income. Mid summer could easily become all season again too.  

I have every sympathy with the predicament faced by Toronto this season and the loss of all income, and am probably as big a supporter of TWP than anyone, but even I have major reservations of preceding next year in the manner that failed this year. Again I stress that I don't blame TWP for the consequences of Covid-19 but if they, and Ottawa, are admitted in this fashion then there would have to be a financial guarantees and deposit to ensure they had the funds for the full season.

I also see little benefit to Toronto proceeding in such a manner and spending a fortune if they cant play in Toronto and their fans cant watch them.

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Me too, albeit I expect for different reasons.

I will say again, my reasons have nothing whatsoever to do with Toronto or any other club across the pond, I just don't think clubs from 3K+ miles away doing nothing to expand the sport in places in respect of participants is a good fit for our sport.

How quickly do you want participants to take up the game in a brand new area? 

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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:

Just think about the infrastructure in the amatuer games in this country, how many kids play the game, how many different leagues and fixtures they take part and progress through, the centre's of excellence the best kids perculate up to compete against each other, then the best of the best advance to academies only for 90+% of those to get jettisoned, the conversation rate of kids first picking up a ball to SL status is 100's to 1, all the time our end product is not brilliant in numbers of quality player's.

So please share your argument of how you will fast track from nothing the process we employ over here to produce SL quality players.

Re your last paragraph I haven’t said anything of the sort. I said people playing, be it men, kids, women, LD, wheelchair, tag etc. 

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1 hour ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

We have to be prepared for a massive drop in the next contract (My estimate and I hope I am wrong) is a 40% drop minimum.

Mentioned on here yesterday I had a coffee earlier on this week with a county cricket club CEO and his opinion (They are lucky as I think the current deal runs until 2024) that they will see around 40% of what they get now from SKY.

Secondary income streams will become more and more important also fans have to be prepared to pay more to watch matches RL is cheap really cheap.

 

 

RL is cheap because of its fanbase largely having a marginal amount of disposable income.

A lot of the secondary income depends on that same disposable income.

A drop like the one you suggest will probablt lead to franchising and the death of P&R, and in all likelihood less teams in SL.

Having said that the incoming depression may produce much the same results anyway.

 


"I think that's quite an patronising response to a player who is a rugby union icon." Martyn Sadler

 

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19 minutes ago, Hela Wigmen said:

How quickly do you want participants to take up the game in a brand new area? 

The sooner the better Hela, there is always day 1 just to formulate a plan never mind begin with one.

Please be totally honest, how would you see it if say just 3 teams TWP, Ottawa and NY were to progress to SL, how would they furnish their playing rosters, and would incumbant SL teams gladly reduce tge quality of their teams?

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14 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

The sooner the better Hela, there is always day 1 just to formulate a plan never mind begin with one.

Please be totally honest, how would you see it if say just 3 teams TWP, Ottawa and NY were to progress to SL, how would they furnish their playing rosters, and would incumbant SL teams gladly reduce tge quality of their teams?

Not gladly but it would happen, just like it does in football when clubs sell their best players to the wealthier teams, and like it has always happened in RL just substitute Leeds, Wigan and Saints for Twp Ottawa and NY. 
 

I have the utmost respect for you Harry, but I just can’t understand why you’re so against TWP. Each to their own though. 

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19 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

The sooner the better Hela, there is always day 1 just to formulate a plan never mind begin with one.

Please be totally honest, how would you see it if say just 3 teams TWP, Ottawa and NY were to progress to SL, how would they furnish their playing rosters, and would incumbant SL teams gladly reduce tge quality of their teams?

How would they furnish their playing rosters? - Probably the same way Salford (a team without an Academy) have done by signing players from Super League and with players from Australia. 

Would incumbent Super League teams gladly reuse the quality of their teams? - So, players leaving, just how they do every year? Probably exactly the same as now, move on and recruit replacements. 

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2 hours ago, Eddie said:

I think (and not trying to be cantankerous here), that the game (and by that I mean the heartlands super league clubs who run it in the N Hemisphere) needs to decide are they happy being a minority sport in a small part of the country rabbiting on about being TGG, or do they want the game taken to other places and to grow. If it’s the former then fine, but they’ll only have themselves to blame as the tv deal gets smaller each time and they end up being semi pro playing in front of much smaller crowds, still going on about being TGG. 

Not bitter though. That's good.

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54 minutes ago, Oxford said:

RL is cheap because of its fanbase largely having a marginal amount of disposable income.

A lot of the secondary income depends on that same disposable income.

A drop like the one you suggest will probablt lead to franchising and the death of P&R, and in all likelihood less teams in SL.

Having said that the incoming depression may produce much the same results anyway.

 

RL exists because its fanbase and player base have and always had much lower levels of disposable income. This isn't an excuse, simply an unavoidable fact.


Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change.

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1 minute ago, Blind side johnny said:

RL exists because its fanbase and player base have and always had much lower levels of disposable income. This isn't an excuse, simply an unavoidable fact.

If you define yourself like that, it will always remain the case.

 

UK classism is mind boggling.

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Can't we just hurry up and kick the ######## out so we can get this thread to 500 pages asap? 😉 

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5 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Can't we just hurry up and kick the ######## out so we can get this thread to 500 pages asap? 😉 

Toronto was never going to work-end of-rfl fell for the pots of money line,with out doing their homework. Any way all these super league teams with  test positive players.SL should cancel the season now.What will they do if somebody dies?

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43 minutes ago, silcoates said:

Toronto was never going to work-end of-rfl fell for the pots of money line,with out doing their homework. Any way all these super league teams with  test positive players.SL should cancel the season now.What will they do if somebody dies?

Blame Toronto

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6 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Blame Toronto

Or Revert back to London Broncos being our favourite scapegoat

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Forget Chuck and Chad I am the real legend killer

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3 minutes ago, gillmeister said:

Or Revert back to London Broncos being our favourite scapegoat

I personally prefer Catalans but they're all basically French

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On the subject of disposable income and prices I think that CATALAN DRAGONS are the most expensive team to watch in SL.

With the Dragons though its classless (Watched by everyone from the road sweeper to the Millionaire company owner) it does not have the stigma there.

Prices do not seem to effect football at all, we have to increase our fan base across all spectrums.

Paul

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1 hour ago, TheReaper said:

If you define yourself like that, it will always remain the case.

 

UK classism is mind boggling.

You really don't understand do you? I am not defining myself or my sport, simply providing a bit of factual history. Without being aware of the deep community roots of RL you will never be able to fully understand the opinions of those who have those same roots.

As the Aussies would have it: "When you drink that pure water, remember who dug the well."

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14 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

On the subject of disposable income and prices I think that CATALAN DRAGONS are the most expensive team to watch in SL.

With the Dragons though its classless (Watched by everyone from the road sweeper to the Millionaire company owner) it does not have the stigma there.

Prices do not seem to effect football at all, we have to increase our fan base across all spectrums.

Paul

too... many.... jokes..... French & Classless!!! :kolobok_ph34r:

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