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2 hours ago, Chris Taylor said:

I think it's fair to say Super League clubs don't particular like the fact Toronto are in Super League.

It is what it is.

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Quote from Toronto, "Tony has a superb track record in Super League over the years". If So why is he on a "4 week Trial ".

Either you know he is good enough or you are not too sure. Sounds a bit of a dodgy situation to me.

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6 minutes ago, fairfolly said:

Quote from Toronto, "Tony has a superb track record in Super League over the years". If So why is he on a "4 week Trial ".

Either you know he is good enough or you are not too sure. Sounds a bit of a dodgy situation to me.

I'd say it was fairly obvious - money and the salary cap.

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Update: Gareth Walker has asked the RFL and they have confirmed that he has registered as an amateur while he trials at the club and as such will not be paid to play.

Can amateur players play in Super League?

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Just now, LR23 said:

Update: Gareth Walker has asked the RFL and they have confirmed that he has registered as an amateur while he trials at the club and as such will not be paid to play.

Ah, the Radlinski method :kolobok_biggrin:

I assume this is while the discussions are ongoing around further dispensation. Was interesting to see in football that Barcelona were given dispensation to make a signing out of the transfer window due to injuries this week. It had all sorts of caveats. I think signing players not contracted elsewhere is a reasonable caveat.

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2 minutes ago, LR23 said:

Update: Gareth Walker has asked the RFL and they have confirmed that he has registered as an amateur while he trials at the club and as such will not be paid to play.

Can amateur players play in Super League?

Reserve grade only...

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Just now, Gav Wilson said:

Reserve grade only...

The circus continues then! He's in the 21 man squad for their game this week.

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56 minutes ago, Kayakman said:

It is what it is.

It's what happens when the governing body is subordinate to the naked self interest of club owners. As Orwell says "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"

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4 minutes ago, RobertAM said:

It's what happens when the governing body is subordinate to the naked self interest of club owners. As Orwell says "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"

Martyn Sadlers column on RL's management model and Elstone's role as CEO sums up the situation perfectly.

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15 hours ago, SL17 said:

Then how can union players being brought in on exemption not count on the cap in two years time?

Because there’s a specific rule allowing it. 

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7 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Because there’s a specific rule allowing it. 

Union players who have never played league professionally can sign for a Club with no impact on the cap for the first season and then 50% in the second season from what i recall reading followed by 100% on the cap in the third season. This was to try and allow for clubs to take a punt on a union player.

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TWP sign Gigot as an amateur. They must know the rules regarding his signing.

No doubt the supporters will whine if a points deduction or fine is imposed for fielding an ineligible player.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, terrywebbisgod said:

TWP sign Gigot as an amateur. They must know the rules regarding his signing.

No doubt the supporters will whine if a points deduction or fine is imposed for fielding an intelligible player.

 

 

Why would the RFL allow them to sign an ineligible player. 

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2 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Why would the RFL allow them to sign an ineligible player. 

Ask the RFL.

Why would TWP  sign him as an amateur if rules state he can't play 1st team rugby.


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10 minutes ago, terrywebbisgod said:

Ask the RFL.

Why would TWP  sign him as an amateur if rules state he can't play 1st team rugby.

How is an amateur defined? Is it simply someone who isn’t paid?

I don’t think they would be silly enough to field an illegible player so obviously. I can only assume they know something the rest of us are missing.

 

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5 minutes ago, terrywebbisgod said:

Ask the RFL.

Why would TWP  sign him as an amateur if rules state he can't play 1st team rugby.

The rules only state as a rule for championship and league one clubs.  No mention of super league.  

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1 minute ago, TboneFromTO said:

The rules only state as a rule for championship and league one clubs.  No mention of super league.  

The rule states Super League clubs can register up to two amateur players for 'Reserves League fixtures ONLY'. Various RL journos are awaiting clarification from the RFL on what this means for Gigot though. 

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3 minutes ago, TboneFromTO said:

The rules only state as a rule for championship and league one clubs.  No mention of super league.  

From the 2020 Operational Rules:

An Amateur Registered Player may play in:

i. In the case of Super League Clubs, only the Reserves League (and not for the avoidance of doubt First Team or Academy Matches);

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2 minutes ago, Dave T said:

From the 2020 Operational Rules:

An Amateur Registered Player may play in:

i. In the case of Super League Clubs, only the Reserves League (and not for the avoidance of doubt First Team or Academy Matches);

Cheers Dave,was just about to post that.


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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

From the 2020 Operational Rules:

An Amateur Registered Player may play in:

i. In the case of Super League Clubs, only the Reserves League (and not for the avoidance of doubt First Team or Academy Matches);

Just to add to that - the RFL stated that he was 'registered on amateur terms as a trialist' so it seems fairly clear cut in terms of the section of the rules you just quoted.

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Could we be getting to things mixed up. He’s been registered as a amateur trialist for Toronto. I doubt he’s a registered amateur player though i.e. registered to play for Siddal say. Could this make a difference. 

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2 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Could we be getting to things mixed up. He’s been registered as a amateur trialist for Toronto. I doubt he’s a registered amateur player though i.e. registered to play for Siddal say. Could this make a difference. 

According to many sports writers on twitter that’s not too far off the case. There are different uses of “amateur”. I don’t really know enough about the rules to go deeper but this is looking most likely.

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31 minutes ago, Dave T said:

From the 2020 Operational Rules:

An Amateur Registered Player may play in:

i. In the case of Super League Clubs, only the Reserves League (and not for the avoidance of doubt First Team or Academy Matches);

Cheers Dave, I had looked at the 2019 rules and didn't see anything about SL 

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Andy Mazey on twitter suggesting this is unpaid triallist which is different to amateur. 

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20 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Andy Mazey on twitter suggesting this is unpaid triallist which is different to amateur. 

Interesting that he couldn't make enough money with Les drags , but will play for Toronto for free(allegedly)....

Don't think he'll even get a free trip to Toronto out of this!

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