coronavirus

[Wolford6]

4 hours ago, Johnoco said:

A question for our sceptical brethren on here.

If your chip pan or perhaps litter bin catches fire, do you bother putting it out? After all, it's not the great fire of London, it's probably gonna burn out with no harm done. 

Right? 

Or assuming someone in your house extinguishes the blaze, do you tell them they were fussing over nothing and your house is fine and the fire didn't do any real damage, so butt out. 

A more apt analogy is:

If your Leeds-fan mate got thumped by an opposition fan, do you stop going to watch the Bulls?

[gingerjon]

Korea having a normal

 

[gingerjon]

Headline is that Italy will completely reopen on June 3rd.

Even this short article makes clear it's a little bit more complicated than that. (No large gatherings allowed at all for example.)

https://www.ft.com/content/967e7168-81a0-4a23-928a-a1440e512b5a

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

Headline is that Italy will completely reopen on June 3rd.

Even this short article makes clear it's a little bit more complicated than that. (No large gatherings allowed at all for example.)

https://www.ft.com/content/967e7168-81a0-4a23-928a-a1440e512b5a

Italy accept that they are taking a risk

“We are taking a calculated risk, aware that the contagion curve could rise again,” Conte told reporters Saturday in the courtyard of his official Rome residence. “We are taking this risk and we have to accept it, otherwise we could not restart. We cannot wait for a vaccine.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/italys-conte-says-taking-calculated-risk-in-easing-lockdown/ar-BB14bOlH?ocid=spartanntp

Meanwhile 'we' are hoping to be back to 'near normal' in the not too distant future

Boris Johnson has reportedly told MPs he hopes the UK can return to “near- normality” in July.

The PM said during a call to the 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs he wants a fast-track relaxation of lockdown restrictions, according to The Sun.

However, he also is said to have insisted that he will only take "grandmother steps" and achieving the goal depends on the public sticking to lockdown rules.

The news comes as Mr Johnson, writing in Mail on Sunday, acknowledged frustration over the "complex" easing of England's coronavirus lockdown.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-coronavirus-live-hopes-of-near-normality-by-july-as-boris-johnson-accepts-frustration-over-lockdown/ar-BB146nco?ocid=spartanntp 

[gingerjon]

16 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

Italy accept that they are taking a risk

“We are taking a calculated risk, aware that the contagion curve could rise again,” Conte told reporters Saturday in the courtyard of his official Rome residence. “We are taking this risk and we have to accept it, otherwise we could not restart. We cannot wait for a vaccine.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/italys-conte-says-taking-calculated-risk-in-easing-lockdown/ar-BB14bOlH?ocid=spartanntp

Meanwhile 'we' are hoping to be back to 'near normal' in the not too distant future

Boris Johnson has reportedly told MPs he hopes the UK can return to “near- normality” in July.

The PM said during a call to the 1922 committee of backbench Tory MPs he wants a fast-track relaxation of lockdown restrictions, according to The Sun.

However, he also is said to have insisted that he will only take "grandmother steps" and achieving the goal depends on the public sticking to lockdown rules.

The news comes as Mr Johnson, writing in Mail on Sunday, acknowledged frustration over the "complex" easing of England's coronavirus lockdown.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/uk-coronavirus-live-hopes-of-near-normality-by-july-as-boris-johnson-accepts-frustration-over-lockdown/ar-BB146nco?ocid=spartanntp 

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?

[shaun mc]

23 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?

Crucial point. You'd think that the level of easing of lockdown should be relative to the level of testing & tracking and tracing available on a consistent and measurable basis

[Saintslass]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?

But the key question is, surely, whether they are as good as Germany and South Korea?  Isn't that the standard of pandemic superiority these days?

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

1 hour ago, gingerjon said:

What's Italy's status in terms of testing, tracking, tracing and all that goes with that?

TBH I have no idea but have seen no mention of a plan to use T and T or to up testing - certainly not in any of the reports about the planned unlocking. So far they have tested around 1/3rd more per capita than the UK (48k/million v 36k which equates to almost 500k more tests).

This has probably been posted before but demonstrates what mass testing, isolation and T and T can achieve https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/eradicated-coronavirus-mass-testing-covid-19-italy-vo 

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

9 hours ago, Johnoco said:

A question for our sceptical brethren on here.

If your chip pan or perhaps litter bin catches fire, do you bother putting it out? After all, it's not the great fire of London, it's probably gonna burn out with no harm done. 

Right? 

Or assuming someone in your house extinguishes the blaze, do you tell them they were fussing over nothing and your house is fine and the fire didn't do any real damage, so butt out. 

With apologies for the rogue apostrophe.....

[Wolford6]

2 hours ago, Johnoco said:

That’s not more apt. 
 

At all

Of course it is. Watching the Bulls is a matter of choice. The Government has chosen its choice ... Lockdown ... and, like it or not,  we all have to go along with it.

If you had a chip pan fire at home, that's an immediate personal emergency. You'd react the same if you were a man, woman, brexiteer, remainer, marxist or coronavirus -bearer.

I don't think Shadow would need to though; chip pans are only for the northern oiks.

[Wolford6]

My chip pan, 2 minutes ago.

[Wolford6]

Just now, Johnoco said:

The government chose to have coronavirus? 
 

Jeez

No, the government chose how we had to respond to coronavirus.

[Bedford Roughyed]

Sigh.

 

[Saintslass]

Under 100 deaths reported for England during the previous 24 hours.  Now, I know that that is just England and that it is the weekend and so the number will rise during the week but even so, when was the last time England reported a two figure Covid death outcome?  Must have been early March?

I suppose the real test will come in about two weeks when we will start to see in numbers whether the relaxation of last weekend has had an impact on hospital admissions but at the moment I am hoping we are coming out the other side, albeit very slowly.

[LeeF]

The total announced of 170 for the UK is 98 lower than last Sunday and the lowest total since the day after lockdown. Green shoots maybe?

[Saintslass]

24 minutes ago, LeeF said:

The total announced of 170 for the UK is 98 lower than last Sunday and the lowest total since the day after lockdown. Green shoots maybe?

Even with the Sunday/Monday caveat that is lower than we have seen for weeks.

I just hope we maintain the steady fall in infections.  With the release of measures this week we will only know whether we have managed that in about two weeks' time.

[Futtocks]

1 hour ago, Saintslass said:

Under 100 deaths reported for England during the previous 24 hours.  Now, I know that that is just England and that it is the weekend and so the number will rise during the week but even so, when was the last time England reported a two figure Covid death outcome?  Must have been early March?

I suppose the real test will come in about two weeks when we will start to see in numbers whether the relaxation of last weekend has had an impact on hospital admissions but at the moment I am hoping we are coming out the other side, albeit very slowly.

Fingers crossed that the relaxation won't bring a new peak, but only time will tell.

[Wolford6]

1 hour ago, Johnoco said:

And you think they should have just said ‘crack on folks, nothing to see here’? 

It should have identified the at-risk and recommended that those people/care homes adhere to a strict lockdown policy. The rest of us could have carried on.

As it is, the government made everyone do lockdown and provided insufficient protection for the carehomes.

As of today, there are only 1117 people i hospital with Coronavirus. Meanwhile, thousands of non-Covid hospital appointments, treatments and operations have been cancelled.

[wilsontown]

12 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

It should have identified the at-risk and recommended that those people/care homes adhere to a strict lockdown policy. The rest of us could have carried on.

As it is, the government made everyone do lockdown and provided insufficient protection for the carehomes.

As of today, there are only 1117 people i hospital with Coronavirus. Meanwhile, thousands of non-Covid hospital appointments, treatments and operations have been cancelled.

The problem with this is the virus then spreads exponentially through the population, around 4 or 5 % of those infected need hospitalising, the NHS is massively overwhelmed and tens of thousands of people needlessly die.

Clearly the lockdown comes with its own problems but we aren't doing it because we want to.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

19 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Fingers crossed that the relaxation won't bring a new peak, but only time will tell.

From the 'Live' BBC reports, will be interesting to see if it's just a blip or not:

Texas reported its largest one-day spike in new coronavirus cases on Saturday with 1,801 new infections.

It comes after the governor allowed all retail businesses to reopen on 1 May, but with restrictions on capacity.

and further reports of some 'recovered' patients testing positive again - unclear as to whether they actually tested negative in between:

At least 13 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive for coronavirus for a second time, officials have told US media.

More than 1,000 troops aboard the 4,900-crew virus-stricken aircraft carrier have tested positive. The ship has been docked in Guam while sailors quarantine in local hotels.

Officials tell CNN that it remains unclear whether the 13 troops were re-infected, or if the virus remained in their blood from their first positive tests. The troops were quarantined for 14 days following their initial positive test, and were thought to be free of the virus.

[LeeF]

16 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

From the 'Live' BBC reports, will be interesting to see if it's just a blip or not:

Texas reported its largest one-day spike in new coronavirus cases on Saturday with 1,801 new infections.

It comes after the governor allowed all retail businesses to reopen on 1 May, but with restrictions on capacity.

and further reports of some 'recovered' patients testing positive again - unclear as to whether they actually tested negative in between:

At least 13 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive for coronavirus for a second time, officials have told US media.

More than 1,000 troops aboard the 4,900-crew virus-stricken aircraft carrier have tested positive. The ship has been docked in Guam while sailors quarantine in local hotels.

Officials tell CNN that it remains unclear whether the 13 troops were re-infected, or if the virus remained in their blood from their first positive tests. The troops were quarantined for 14 days following their initial positive test, and were thought to be free of the virus.

Without knowing the background in Texas it is virtually impossible to work out exactly what has happened. Were they over the original peak etc

It sounds like the 13 sailors never actually recovered rather than becoming reinfected?

[gingerjon]

1 hour ago, LeeF said:

The total announced of 170 for the UK is 98 lower than last Sunday and the lowest total since the day after lockdown. Green shoots maybe?

It definitely seems like green shoots. Our rates of infection don't seem to be going down as fast as might be expected but (I would imagine) that could be linked to the number of tests being higher than before. Social distancing plus facemasks plus track n trace with a decent low level of infection where the latter works ... and we can all start to move back towards something that looks vaguely normal.

[Shadow]

2 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

Of course it is. Watching the Bulls is a matter of choice. The Government has chosen its choice ... Lockdown ... and, like it or not,  we all have to go along with it.

If you had a chip pan fire at home, that's an immediate personal emergency. You'd react the same if you were a man, woman, brexiteer, remainer, marxist or coronavirus -bearer.

I don't think Shadow would need to though; chip pans are only for the northern oiks.

We have our chips delivered 

[Wolford6]

1 minute ago, Shadow said:

We have our chips delivered 

To the casino?

[Shadow]

1 minute ago, Wolford6 said:

To the casino?

To the gatehouse