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10 hours ago, Pulga said:

 

 

Impressive figures, there is so much cash in the NRL now. The downside of that is all the best players are been drawn to the NRL instead of SL. The upside is the best players are staying in RL rather than going to RU.

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10 hours ago, Eddie said:

Where does the $54m come from then? Not SOO and the grand final, unless tickets average $180 each. But yes thinking about it it can’t be regular games at that value. 

The full list of NRL properties are: All Stars, NRL Nines, State of Origin, Women's State of Origin, NRLW standalone matches, Final Series, Grand Final and Kangaroo Home Tests.

Pacific Tests were handed over to the Asia Pacific Rugby League last year.

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6 hours ago, The Great Dane said:

The ARU is absolutely screwed.

They are in such a bad place that it's not outside the realm of possibility that fail to find a broadcaster for Super Rugby at all.

Even if they do find a deal it'll probably be a worthless one.

The ARU finances are almost as pitiful as the RFL’s

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6 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

A great chart that shows how far even NRL are behind AFL.

Profit is great.

Turnover is key. Any accountant can make a business more or less profitable. Your turnover is most circumstances is evidence of your potential profitability.

 

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6 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Is not the Auckland Rugby League reckoned to be financially strong through the Carlaw Park Trust? Why are they not doing more? The League communities in NZ need to be more politically active, demanding a fairer deal in the schools rather than looking across the Tasman for charity.

Yes Auckland Rugby League Clubs have funding through the Carlaw Park Heritage Trust, the rest of the country has nothing like this, Areas of NZ where League is popular are often marginalized Communities with little political power like the small ex coal mining & industrial towns of Huntly, Tokoroa, Greymouth and clubs usually located in the poorest of suburbs of Cities like South Auckland, Wanuiomata & Porirua in Wellington, Aranui & Hornby in Christchurch. This Century Grassroots participation and interest in local Rugby League has dwindled in NZ outside Auckland. Yet NRL makes multi millions annual profits from NZ TV rights, Sponsorship and Merchandise and the NRL is yet to ever invest any funds back in NZ grassroots of the game as you would expect a sustainable and ethical business to do.

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59 minutes ago, Sports Prophet said:

The ARU finances are almost as pitiful as the RFL’s

Yeah, this is a worry. 

Rugby Union is non-existent in Australia. If they're making more money than the RFL then there are huge problems.


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4 minutes ago, Pulga said:

Yeah, this is a worry. 

Rugby Union is non-existent in Australia. If they're making more money than the RFL then there are huge problems.

What problems would that be? It just paints a clear picture of rugby league in general. Strong in Australia, weak everywhere else. Hasn’t that always been the case?

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6 minutes ago, Boomer Bang Wool said:

What problems would that be? It just paints a clear picture of rugby league in general. Strong in Australia, weak everywhere else. Hasn’t that always been the case?

Typical YK.

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14 hours ago, Sports Prophet said:

A great chart that shows how far even NRL are behind AFL.

Profit is great.

Turnover is key. Any accountant can make a business profitable. Your turnover is most circumstances is evidence of your potential profitability.

Rugby League is winning the TV ratings was with the AFL, which will lead to a bigger TV deal

https://tvblackbox.com.au/sports/2019/10/8/2019-nrl-season-by-the-numbers

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8 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

Yes Auckland Rugby League Clubs have funding through the Carlaw Park Heritage Trust, the rest of the country has nothing like this, Areas of NZ where League is popular are often marginalized Communities with little political power like the small ex coal mining & industrial towns of Huntly, Tokoroa, Greymouth and clubs usually located in the poorest of suburbs of Cities like South Auckland, Wanuiomata & Porirua in Wellington, Aranui & Hornby in Christchurch. This Century Grassroots participation and interest in local Rugby League has dwindled in NZ outside Auckland. Yet NRL makes multi millions annual profits from NZ TV rights, Sponsorship and Merchandise and the NRL is yet to ever invest any funds back in NZ grassroots of the game as you would expect a sustainable and ethical business to do.

Come under the jurisdiction of the ARLC and you can have an annual grant, otherwise it's a hard pass.

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56 minutes ago, lucky 7 said:

Rugby League is winning the TV ratings was with the AFL, which will lead to a bigger TV deal

https://tvblackbox.com.au/sports/2019/10/8/2019-nrl-season-by-the-numbers

A bigger TV deal than AFL? Don’t count on it. I’ll take that bet any day.

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11 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

Yes Auckland Rugby League Clubs have funding through the Carlaw Park Heritage Trust, the rest of the country has nothing like this, Areas of NZ where League is popular are often marginalized Communities with little political power like the small ex coal mining & industrial towns of Huntly, Tokoroa, Greymouth and clubs usually located in the poorest of suburbs of Cities like South Auckland, Wanuiomata & Porirua in Wellington, Aranui & Hornby in Christchurch. This Century Grassroots participation and interest in local Rugby League has dwindled in NZ outside Auckland. Yet NRL makes multi millions annual profits from NZ TV rights, Sponsorship and Merchandise and the NRL is yet to ever invest any funds back in NZ grassroots of the game as you would expect a sustainable and ethical business to do.

So the NRL spends money attracting more NZ children to play League. All these children then go to secondary school and are forced to play RU, which means the NRL is investing in the NZRU`s production line. In Wellington the schools magnanimously deign to allow their students to play a couple of games of League at the end of the RU season. What sport would thrive against this backdrop? League people in Wainui and Porirua have to find a political way to break free of their second-class status. It`s desperately difficult for them , but without change in the schools they will forever be begging for crumbs from the NRL table.

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13 hours ago, Damien said:

Typical YK.

I’m not taking shots. It’s unrealistic to expect RFLs finances to keep up with the NRL. The huge contrast doesn’t mean there are problems but just reflects the strength of the game in different places. 

Ps your obsession with this yk character is concerning 

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15 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

Yes Auckland Rugby League Clubs have funding through the Carlaw Park Heritage Trust, the rest of the country has nothing like this, Areas of NZ where League is popular are often marginalized Communities with little political power like the small ex coal mining & industrial towns of Huntly, Tokoroa, Greymouth and clubs usually located in the poorest of suburbs of Cities like South Auckland, Wanuiomata & Porirua in Wellington, Aranui & Hornby in Christchurch. This Century Grassroots participation and interest in local Rugby League has dwindled in NZ outside Auckland. Yet NRL makes multi millions annual profits from NZ TV rights, Sponsorship and Merchandise and the NRL is yet to ever invest any funds back in NZ grassroots of the game as you would expect a sustainable and ethical business to do.

NRL making a profit of $28 million (Aus) is not much to develop the sport elsewhere. 

It’s comparing apples with oranges, but Im slightly surprised at the NRL revenue figure of $555 million figure coming as it does in the same week Liverpool announced revenue for May 2018 to May 2019 of £533 million ($1.047 billion Aus), which is almost double an entire league.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2878235-liverpool-announce-record-turnover-of-533m-pre-tax-profit-of-42m

Liverpool can’t do much to develop the sport elsewhere (bar football academies in Africa with some of the £42 million profit), that job is down to FIFA, just as it should be to the governing body of RL. The new Liverpool training ground will cost £50 million ($98 million Aus), that’s more than three times the profit of the NRL. So the NRL could afford a third of a training ground.

If anything these figures should take away any accusations aimed at the NRL for “not growing the sport” as they are evidently not awash with cash. What little they do make will have to be reinvested into rugby league in Aus.

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15 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

Yes Auckland Rugby League Clubs have funding through the Carlaw Park Heritage Trust, the rest of the country has nothing like this, Areas of NZ where League is popular are often marginalized Communities with little political power like the small ex coal mining & industrial towns of Huntly, Tokoroa, Greymouth and clubs usually located in the poorest of suburbs of Cities like South Auckland, Wanuiomata & Porirua in Wellington, Aranui & Hornby in Christchurch. This Century Grassroots participation and interest in local Rugby League has dwindled in NZ outside Auckland. Yet NRL makes multi millions annual profits from NZ TV rights, Sponsorship and Merchandise and the NRL is yet to ever invest any funds back in NZ grassroots of the game as you would expect a sustainable and ethical business to do.

One other thought on this. There seem to be big numbers of NZ born people involved in Australian RL( not just NSW and QLD), at all levels, in all comps, on and off the pitch, male and female. Do you know what role RL plays in their decision to make the move? What`s the ratio between football and lifestyle/work?

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13 hours ago, rlno1 said:

What does Super League make?

Total SL revenue was just over £31 million last accounts. £26.5m from the SKY income.

RFL income was just over £23 million of which just over £10m came from SKY(£6m) and BBC.

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People talk about the NRL funding NZ grassroots, but the NRL can't even fund their own grassroots.

Outside of the Storm the sport effectively doesn't exist in any significant manner in half the country, and in the other half most of the grassroots outside Qld and parts of NSW are seriously struggling as well.

So maybe the NRL should worry about their own backyard before trying to fix NZ's, or the other PI's frankly.

Even if the NRL did give funds to NZ's grassroots I doubt that it'd help anything anyway, in fact I'm convinced that it'd make things in NZ worse than they already are as they'd become even more reliant on the NRL instead of trying to build something for themselves.

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2 hours ago, The Great Dane said:

People talk about the NRL funding NZ grassroots, but the NRL can't even fund their own grassroots.

Outside of the Storm the sport effectively doesn't exist in any significant manner in half the country, and in the other half most of the grassroots outside Qld and parts of NSW are seriously struggling as well.

So maybe the NRL should worry about their own backyard before trying to fix NZ's, or the other PI's frankly.

Even if the NRL did give funds to NZ's grassroots I doubt that it'd help anything anyway, in fact I'm convinced that it'd make things in NZ worse than they already are as they'd become even more reliant on the NRL instead of trying to build something for themselves.

I don`t have any figures to adduce but when I studied the affiliated states results in Rugby League Week thirty years ago, the Victorian comp was pretty thin. They now have 17 clubs in Melbourne alone, some formed in the past decade, with good numbers and strong junior sections. A lot of this is on the back of Polynesian migration.

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9 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

There must be very little worth watching on Aussie regular TV.

Isn’t it just Neighbours, Home & Away and Prisoner Cell Block H?

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On 01/03/2020 at 15:17, Sports Prophet said:

A bigger TV deal than AFL? Don’t count on it. I’ll take that bet any day.

Its mystery to me that a game that has less TV viewers gets more TV money and has zero appeal outside of Australia, and its TV ratings for the most populous city in Australia at best are average

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On 01/03/2020 at 20:55, The Great Dane said:

Come under the jurisdiction of the ARLC and you can have an annual grant, otherwise it's a hard pass.

I already covered this in another thread but once again NZRL cant come under ARLC jurisdiction as NZRL would lose all sources of government sports funding, as well as proceeds from sport betting as both are dependent by law on being run by a recognized NZ sports body, not to mention loss of public good will and Nonsensical situation of the Kiwis NZ National side being run by Australia. As also pointed out in previous thread ARLC could set up a Charitable trust to deliver grassroots programs to youth, coaches, administrators in NZ an appoint its own directors thereby having control of its own charitable grant. To date the NRL has shown it likes to makes a profit, Nrl has made a profit out of the NZ market for 25 years. NRL and its TV audience like NZ playing talent but to date no ongoing programs have been set up by the NRL to assist the improvised NZ communities that talent comes from. Oh well making more money and bigger profits is all some people care about i guess!

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8 hours ago, lucky 7 said:

Its mystery to me that a game that has less TV viewers gets more TV money and has zero appeal outside of Australia, and its TV ratings for the most populous city in Australia at best are average

I don’t have figures but I would hazard a guess that the number of individual eyeballs that are exposed to all games over a weekend might well have an impact.

Where NRL televises all the same terrestrial fixtures to all states, the AFL selects different fixtures for terrestrial broadcasting for different states.

It is highly conceivable that the total weekly viewing figures of NRL matches comes from less individuals than the number of individuals viewing the total number of weekly AFL broadcast fixtures.

makes sense? NRL likely to have many more individuals watching multiple matches over the course of a weekend. More ratings, less eyeballs.

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12 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

I already covered this in another thread but once again NZRL cant come under ARLC jurisdiction as NZRL would lose all sources of government sports funding, as well as proceeds from sport betting as both are dependent by law on being run by a recognized NZ sports body, not to mention loss of public good will and Nonsensical situation of the Kiwis NZ National side being run by Australia.

So what! The ARLC would just become the recognised governing body of RL in NZ and then would feed that money down to the NZRL along with it's yearly grants.

And why would the nz national side be run by Australians?

The NZRL would still exist if it came under the ARLC, it'd be like the state leagues that administer the sport in the states, except it'd do it for the whole of NZ. Part of there responsibilities would continue to be running the Kiwis.

Do you think that because the NSWRL and QRL are under the ARLC that they get a say in how each other runs their SOO teams lol. 

Besides if the Kiwis were run by Australians they might be a hell of a lot more successful than they are now, like that time Wayne Bennett guided them to a world cup lol. 

12 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

As also pointed out in previous thread ARLC could set up a Charitable trust to deliver grassroots programs to youth, coaches, administrators in NZ an appoint its own directors thereby having control of its own charitable grant.

It's not the ARLC/NRL's job to that, and they have bigger concerns on home soil, like the half of the country were RL effectively doesn't exist, and that other huge part where the grassroots are dying on their ######.

But if the NZRL, the NZRU, etc, etc, want to set up "Charitable trusts to deliver grassroots programs to youth, coaches, administrators in" Australia from the money they make in Australia then they are welcome to it.

Yeah you should really practice what you preach before expecting it of others...  

12 hours ago, kiwis 13 6 said:

To date the NRL has shown it likes to makes a profit, Nrl has made a profit out of the NZ market for 25 years. NRL and its TV audience like NZ playing talent but to date no ongoing programs have been set up by the NRL to assist the improvised NZ communities that talent comes from. Oh well making more money and bigger profits is all some people care about i guess!

It's not the NRL's job to look after NZ's grassroots, that is the NZRL's.

If you are angry about the way that the NZRL does that then direct your anger in their direction, if you want the the NRL to take over the job of looking after NZ's grassroots then the NZRL has to come under the ARLC's jurisdiction, it's really that simple.

On a side note, I'd bet you anything that if the NRL tried to do what you are suggesting that it'd ###### the NZRL off and that talk from NZ would be that the NRL is overstepping it's bounds. So really they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, so they should choose don't because it saves them a bunch of money lol.

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