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Just watched the 1971 Challenge Cup Final on Our League. First Impressions.

Four tackles never let the game flow, it make the kicking game more important with the game itself more stop start .

Uncontestd scrums an absolute mess, good job they decreased the value of a drop goal to 1 point the following season

Alex Murphy would have been well suited to modern Rugby League.

Leigh Fans adopting the Liverpool FC chant of your never walk alone referenced by Eddie Waring near the end

And the national anthem played twice once pre=-match once post match after the trophy presentation

49 Years ago but Life on Mars Indeed

 

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23 minutes ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Just watched the 1971 Challenge Cup Final on Our League. First Impressions.

Four tackles never let the game flow, it make the kicking game more important with the game itself more stop start .

Uncontestd scrums an absolute mess, good job they decreased the value of a drop goal to 1 point the following season

Alex Murphy would have been well suited to modern Rugby League.

Leigh Fans adopting the Liverpool FC chant of your never walk alone referenced by Eddie Waring near the end

And the national anthem played twice once pre=-match once post match after the trophy presentation

49 Years ago but Life on Mars Indeed

Yet how will the 2020 game look to someone in 2070 ?

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13 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

Yet how will the 2020 game look to someone in 2070 ?

Some old codgers on whatever replaces the internet by then will drone on and on about how the game was better in 2020. Jinking halfbacks, ball-handling loose forwards, small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts, yada yada yada. 

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10 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Some old codgers on whatever replaces the internet by then will drone on and on about how the game was better in 2020. Jinking halfbacks, ball-handling loose forwards, small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts, yada yada yada. 

"Beam me to the goal-line Scotty"

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4 minutes ago, RL does what Sky says said:

OK ... but can you first ask him  if he prefered RL in 1920 instead of today ?

Soon as they'll let me in the care home I'm on it ?

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Old Faithful we never lose at Wembley

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2 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Just watched the 1971 Challenge Cup Final on Our League. First Impressions.

Four tackles never let the game flow, it make the kicking game more important with the game itself more stop start .

Uncontestd scrums an absolute mess, good job they decreased the value of a drop goal to 1 point the following season

Alex Murphy would have been well suited to modern Rugby League.

Leigh Fans adopting the Liverpool FC chant of your never walk alone referenced by Eddie Waring near the end

And the national anthem played twice once pre=-match once post match after the trophy presentation

49 Years ago but Life on Mars Indeed

 

I've liked TGG in all the guises  i've seen but I found this really interesting.

"Alex Murphy would have been well suited to modern Rugby League." Very True

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Wasn't born then((wind it in you lot) and although this may be Leigh's finest moment,my proudest moment was seeing a photo of my mum(78,still has a season ticket) holding the challenge cup with the MOST beautiful smile on her face. She was one of the founders of the original Leigh supporters club too, maybe not the greatest feat, but makes me proud of her,well done mum.

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2 minutes ago, JDINTHEHIZZOUSE said:

Wasn't born then((wind it in you lot) and although this may be Leigh's finest moment,my proudest moment was seeing a photo of my mum(78,still has a season ticket) holding the challenge cup with the MOST beautiful smile on her face. She was one of the founders of the original Leigh supporters club too, maybe not the greatest feat, but makes me proud of her,well done mum.

That's great.

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2 hours ago, RL does what Sky says said:

Yet how will the 2020 game look to someone in 2070 ?

We'll still be in lockdown ?

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31 minutes ago, JDINTHEHIZZOUSE said:

Wasn't born then((wind it in you lot) and although this may be Leigh's finest moment,my proudest moment was seeing a photo of my mum(78,still has a season ticket) holding the challenge cup with the MOST beautiful smile on her face. She was one of the founders of the original Leigh supporters club too, maybe not the greatest feat, but makes me proud of her,well done mum.

I was at the final and although not from Leigh then went to watch them come home with cup the next day.EHdkAyDXkAAhPZN.thumb.jpg.b36fe8cca649796a588a00140ee36085.jpg

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Seen the game a hundred times over the years. I wasn’t even a glint in the eye of my (Huddersfield supporting) dad, but my word RL in those days was a tough watch.  Still, I’d have given anything to have been there. 

*Point of order, You’ll Never Walk Alone was sung by every set of fans in football and RL for decades rather than just Celtic and Liverpool fans. To the extent that it was still sung at Old Trafford until the 1980s and as far as Bolton fans at the 1995 play off final and I’ve even got a recollection (possibly clouded by the tears in my eyes) of Dewsbury fans singing it at the Grand Final in 2000. 

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It's a shame that what some view as Leigh's finest hour was founded on the most notorious bit of cheating seen at Wembley. The club must have had better days than that in their history?

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8 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Seen the game a hundred times over the years. I wasn’t even a glint in the eye of my (Huddersfield supporting) dad, but my word RL in those days was a tough watch.  Still, I’d have given anything to have been there. 

*Point of order, You’ll Never Walk Alone was sung by every set of fans in football and RL for decades rather than just Celtic and Liverpool fans. To the extent that it was still sung at Old Trafford until the 1980s and as far as Bolton fans at the 1995 play off final and I’ve even got a recollection (possibly clouded by the tears in my eyes) of Dewsbury fans singing it at the Grand Final in 2000. 

It's all to do with how things were at whatever period in time you are looking back at. If you had watched Rl in those days - and had no knowedge of the modern game - then it would have appeared just as entertaining to you then as the game is now. As I said earlier, people in 2070 might look back at RL in 2020 and think how boring it was.

I think there are always good and bad from every era .. it's just a matter of putting all the best bits together to form the best possible product. For me, yes the scrums were a mess and yes, the 4-tackle rule was not ideal (although remember that beforehand it was unlimited tackles and, as with many ideas. they sometimes evolve into better ones), but I think there was more risk-taking when in possession and, with the tackling not being as intense as these days, it made for a far more open and passing game than of now.

As for the stop-start nature of the play, yes there might be point but it seems there weren't as many tackles in those days which therefore did counter the stop-start aspect of the modern game when players just receive the ball and make a few yards before succumbing to their opponent.

Each to their own.

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12 hours ago, RL does what Sky says said:

Yet how will the 2020 game look to someone in 2070 ?

Unfortuantely I will not be around by then to comment.

Four other things I failed to mention in my OP. Firstly the ginger No 8 for Leeds basically swung a right hook at a prone Leigh player just before half time. There was a penalty given to Leigh but I am not sure that was the reason.

The second point is the front on kicking style from both clubs. a style either not in use or very rarely used these days with the soccer style conversion / penalty attempts. I would love to know how fans would have responded to Marc Sneyd's kicking style back then.

Sid Hynes was sent off for "butting" yet back then there was no replay of the incident . These days that would have been given about 6/7 replays in super slow motion with the pundits chewing the fat over it.

Finally, something I remember from the late 1970's / 1980's, the "Magic Sponge" - No matter how much of a bell ringer you were on the end of the application of water on a sponge would get you back in the game provided you wer not spark out or with something broken. No Head Injury Assessments then although to be fair players were less "chiselled" then than they are now and there is a great deal of difference in being hit by someone with 18 stone of solid muscle as opposed to 18 stone with a lot of "relaxed" muscle.

 

 


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The dominant ideas in society are always and everywhere the ideas of the ruling class. And always and everywhere they portray us as stupid, untrustworthy with bad motives. Show us respect sir. We gave you everything progressive there is. We gave you democracy. We demand some too.

 
Eddie Demsey RMT
 
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There were 17.4m people who voted to leave the European Union.

"Any attempt to try to cast their vote aside, as if they didn’t mean it or didn’t understand the consequences, whereas everybody else did, is a bit of a slur on the individuals who took the time to vote, many of them for the first time

Ian Lavery - Labour party chair  - 29th March 2019

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There don’t seem to be many classic matches in the four-tackle rule era. As with a six-ball over, a set of six is like baby bear’s porridge. Just right.

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11 hours ago, JDINTHEHIZZOUSE said:

Wasn't born then((wind it in you lot) and although this may be Leigh's finest moment,my proudest moment was seeing a photo of my mum(78,still has a season ticket) holding the challenge cup with the MOST beautiful smile on her face. She was one of the founders of the original Leigh supporters club too, maybe not the greatest feat, but makes me proud of her,well done mum.

Sounds like one of the finest moments to me and I'm a Salford fan; not many people know that!

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10 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Still, I’d have given anything to have been there. 

Hope this doesn't turn into a selling your soul to the Devil thread as I can't imagine how many of us would turn up in the past, just to have been there.

 

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10 hours ago, M j M said:

It's a shame that what some view as Leigh's finest hour was founded on the most notorious bit of cheating seen at Wembley. The club must have had better days than that in their history?

No idea what you are talking about ?

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I was only a boy but I remember Leigh completely outplayed them. They were far more enthusiastic and the better side even at 13 v 13.

Leeds lost their discipline and were poor. It wasn't even close. 

A second cousin of mine, Barry Seabourne, played for Leeds at scrum half that day.  He also played for Bradford Northern in a later final against Featherstone for which he was also on the losing side.

 

 

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As a Leigh fan, still love watching this.

I must say though, it was one hell of a niggly,dirty game and it takes a lot for Billy T to give a red.

If you pause it, you can see Haynes move toward Murphy and that's it. The red card shown seconds later must indicate that Haynes stuck one on him. He didn't seem to care did he ?

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1 hour ago, Snowys Backside said:

As a Leigh fan, still love watching this.

I must say though, it was one hell of a niggly,dirty game and it takes a lot for Billy T to give a red.

If you pause it, you can see Haynes move toward Murphy and that's it. The red card shown seconds later must indicate that Haynes stuck one on him. He didn't seem to care did he ?

Yes, just as the camera moves away from Hynes and Murphy you can just see on the very edge of the frame that Murphy's head does jolt back a bit as thougn it has been touched ... and when I say "touched" I think that is all it was (ie Hynes' head just resting against Murphys rather than actually butting him). However, as with the footballers these days when they get the slightest of touches, Murphy made more of it and fell to the floor.

I suppose there are two ways to look at it  1.. Was that incident any more violent that others during that game (I think not) but 2 .. Was the use of the head just a "no, no" and Hynes simply shouldn't have done it irrespective of how hard it connected ?

Furthermore it was the touch-judge who came on to report the incident so we don't know what he actually reported (ie Maybe he just reported the fact of the butting but not what the severity of it was).

This is the Pathe news item about the final but also doesn't show the Hynes-Murphy incident ....

 

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4 hours ago, THE RED ROOSTER said:

Unfortuantely I will not be around by then to comment.

Four other things I failed to mention in my OP. Firstly the ginger No 8 for Leeds basically swung a right hook at a prone Leigh player just before half time. There was a penalty given to Leigh but I am not sure that was the reason.

The second point is the front on kicking style from both clubs. a style either not in use or very rarely used these days with the soccer style conversion / penalty attempts. I would love to know how fans would have responded to Marc Sneyd's kicking style back then.

Sid Hynes was sent off for "butting" yet back then there was no replay of the incident . These days that would have been given about 6/7 replays in super slow motion with the pundits chewing the fat over it.

Finally, something I remember from the late 1970's / 1980's, the "Magic Sponge" - No matter how much of a bell ringer you were on the end of the application of water on a sponge would get you back in the game provided you wer not spark out or with something broken. No Head Injury Assessments then although to be fair players were less "chiselled" then than they are now and there is a great deal of difference in being hit by someone with 18 stone of solid muscle as opposed to 18 stone with a lot of "relaxed" muscle.

 

 

The ginger number 8 for Leeds was John Burke Wakey, Leeds,and Keighley.He played close to the edge and was sent off numerous times.I had the pleasure of playing against him in secondary school.He went to St Austins Wakefield.

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