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1 minute ago, fighting irish said:

I think their recent behaviour precludes sensible debate, for the foreseeable future. There's a rat in the house. 

Spooky - I was just thinking the exact same thing.

Its now the old fashioned case of how do you deal with a bully… you can’t persuade them or coerce them. They will do what they want and then blame you for their actions. Eg we were reasonable and ‘requested’ you to postpone it, you didn’t postpone it as we ‘requested’ so we’ll teach you a lesson.

It’s the old Bill Hill jokes about America and Jack Palance 

 

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9 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

So tell me , how do you convert St Helens to Liverpool in RL ?

Not sure it can be done.

It’s not so much just the names that Big Picture is alluding to (towns that RL clubs are based in) it’s the perception that the sport of RL is parochial, ie. entrenched in their own communities which leaves it detached from outsiders. Even London Broncos for instance, they are in London, have London in its name, so you would think “global”, buts it’s RL, viewed as a parochial game. Also London is just seen as an outpost.

Unless people outside the RL heartland suddenly took up the game (and they haven’t in 125 years) the club game will remain parochial within England. I think the opportunity is outside England as fans in Toronto don’t have this same perception of the game in England. Perhaps a London Broncos would resonate more with foreigners. 

As an Irishman when I see an English RL team on tv I think that’s a culture that belongs to a specific geographic group in the north of England. When I see an English football club (certainly one of the bigger clubs) I think a combination of the city they are based in as well as its English and international identity. When I’m at Anfield I’m surrounded by other non scousers in the stands. I then see a team made up of an Egyptian top goalscorer, a Dutch leader in defence, Brazilian in nets, led by a German manager, and flags representing a range of player nationalities being waved around the stadium. And before the game starts an anthem that is probably the most famous on the planet is played (and sung). Anyone in the world can identity with this. 

Britpop was very parochial which is why it didn’t have the same international resonance that a Coldplay had for example. RL in England is the sports equivalent of Britpop just in a more confined space within England.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Allora said:

So you hope someone wipes down the weight bench before your session.

That is not a Bubble at all.

Its a random joint use of a Gym with the hope that the basic pay cleaners are doing more than they are getting paid to do.

Good luck with that.
You wonder why AUS and NZ do not want  to visit Visit Covid Island.

Stay on your island. Let the rest of us crack on 👍🏼

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26 minutes ago, DC77 said:

Not sure it can be done.

It’s not so much just the names that Big Picture is alluding to (towns that RL clubs are based in) it’s the perception that the sport of RL is parochial, ie. entrenched in their own communities which leaves it detached from outsiders. Even London Broncos for instance, they are in London, have London in its name, so you would think “global”, buts it’s RL, viewed as a parochial game. Also London is just seen as an outpost.

Unless people outside the RL heartland suddenly took up the game (and they haven’t in 125 years) the club game will remain parochial within England. I think the opportunity is outside England as fans in Toronto don’t have this same perception of the game in England. Perhaps a London Broncos would resonate more with foreigners. 

As an Irishman when I see an English RL team on tv I think that’s a culture that belongs to a specific geographic group in the north of England. When I see an English football club (certainly one of the bigger clubs) I think a combination of the city they are based in as well as its English and international identity. When I’m at Anfield I’m surrounded by other non scousers in the stands. I then see a team made up of an Egyptian top goalscorer, a Dutch leader in defence, Brazilian in nets, led by a German manager, and flags representing a range of player nationalities being waved around the stadium. And before the game starts an anthem that is probably the most famous on the planet is played (and sung). Anyone in the world can identity with this. 

Britpop was very parochial which is why it didn’t have the same international resonance that a Coldplay had for example. RL in England is the sports equivalent of Britpop just in a more confined space within England.

 

 

 

Everyone is free to support who they wish of course, do what makes you happy, but I'll never get how somebody can become a die hard fan of a club in another nation. Us Irish fawning over the premier league has left our domestic league in an absolute shambles and thus has a huge knock on effect on the whole of Irish football. The "granny" rule has masked where the Irish football team really is for years.

Domestic clubs in union and League will never have that appeal to people from outside their parish like in football, no matter what teams are in it. This is why the international game is so important, I couldn't give a damn who wins the super league or NRL but I'll get up early and watch Tonga play New Zealand or Australia or PNG etc etc.

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24 minutes ago, DC77 said:

Britpop was very parochial which is why it didn’t have the same international resonance that a Coldplay had for example. RL in England is the sports equivalent of Britpop just in a more confined space within England

Shaun Wane = Liam Gallagher

Louis MS = Damon Albarn

Who is Jarvis? 

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32 minutes ago, DC77 said:

Not sure it can be done.

It’s not so much just the names that Big Picture is alluding to (towns that RL clubs are based in) it’s the perception that the sport of RL is parochial, ie. entrenched in their own communities which leaves it detached from outsiders. Even London Broncos for instance, they are in London, have London in its name, so you would think “global”, buts it’s RL, viewed as a parochial game. Also London is just seen as an outpost.

Unless people outside the RL heartland suddenly took up the game (and they haven’t in 125 years) the club game will remain parochial within England. I think the opportunity is outside England as fans in Toronto don’t have this same perception of the game in England. Perhaps a London Broncos would resonate more with foreigners. 

As an Irishman when I see an English RL team on tv I think that’s a culture that belongs to a specific geographic group in the north of England. When I see an English football club (certainly one of the bigger clubs) I think a combination of the city they are based in as well as its English and international identity. When I’m at Anfield I’m surrounded by other non scousers in the stands. I then see a team made up of an Egyptian top goalscorer, a Dutch leader in defence, Brazilian in nets, led by a German manager, and flags representing a range of player nationalities being waved around the stadium. And before the game starts an anthem that is probably the most famous on the planet is played (and sung). Anyone in the world can identity with this. 

Britpop was very parochial which is why it didn’t have the same international resonance that a Coldplay had for example. RL in England is the sports equivalent of Britpop just in a more confined space within England.

 

 

 

Agree completely , as I've pointed out 

The club game over here will always be about surviving , growth will only come from international expansion , as in competition between nations 

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6 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

As if to some up the whole thread the first sign of trouble and the Aussie runs off. 

Unless you are a Soccer player at the Olympics , or a Union player , or ALL the other athletes in Tokyo 

Just the " footy " ' Tarts ' 

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3 minutes ago, GUBRATS said:

Agree completely , as I've pointed out 

The club game over here will always be about surviving , growth will only come from international expansion , as in competition between nations 

100%

When has the game ever had 7 nations - Aus, Eng, NZ, Sam, Tonga, Fiji and PNG - that can genuinely provide fully competitive games against each other? Those communities in those nations cheering their players to win.

Yet we are obsessed with trying to eek every penny from the same club markets and TV broadcasters. This in a world when TV viewing is in decline among younger people. This will only go one way.

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1 minute ago, Scubby said:

100%

When has the game ever had 7 nations - Aus, Eng, NZ, Sam, Tonga, Fiji and PNG - that can genuinely provide fully competitive games against each other? Those communities in those nations cheering their players to win.

Yet we are obsessed with trying to eek every penny from the same club markets and TV broadcasters. This in a world when TV viewing is in decline among younger people. This will only go one way.

This applies to both sides of the planet 

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3 minutes ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

Shaun Wane = Liam Gallagher

Louis MS = Damon Albarn

Who is Jarvis? 

If only RL here was as big as Britpop.

We are folk music - a specialist area with a weekly late late show on Radio 2 / 5 Live with regional programming along side this.

We have a proud working class history that we never escape from. We have some big occasions (Cambridge Folk Fesr / Challenge Cup Final) with a loyal following. No one else cares.

occasionally we will have our day in the sun when a big star goes through their “folk phase” (cross-code) but there is less of this these days.

Or something like that!

 

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1 hour ago, Scubby said:

100%

When has the game ever had 7 nations - Aus, Eng, NZ, Sam, Tonga, Fiji and PNG - that can genuinely provide fully competitive games against each other? Those communities in those nations cheering their players to win.

Yet we are obsessed with trying to eek every penny from the same club markets and TV broadcasters. This in a world when TV viewing is in decline among younger people. This will only go one way.

Are the NRL really delusional that they think having Australia as the only country playing RL will enable their brand to grow? Australia has a sport that only they play in AFL and it is not a blip on the world sporting radar. RL spreading globally would help the NRL grow stronger commercially. 

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3 hours ago, Allora said:

So you hope someone wipes down the weight bench before your session.

 

Why can't they wipe their own weights bench down ?

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

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3 hours ago, Damien said:

Lets face it the NRL supposedly cant even make a profit from the Pacific Tests and held a shambolic 2017 World Cup which didnt return promised profits and was only saved by Tonga fans in NZ and great scenes at matches in PNG.

They are in no position to say they are the best people to run the international game.

The NRL can't even grow in Australia! Where are the sides in Perth and Adelaide? But they're going to grow the sport globally?

What have the NRL ever done to grow RL globally? They have the biggest market in the world on their doorstep and have done nothing. Even the AFL have gone to China. 

The RFL, while not perfect, have done far more for the sport. Brought French, Welsh and Canadian clubs into the professional game. Brought Serbian and Russian clubs into the Challenge Cup. Agreed to take internationals to the USA. The RFL funded RLEF has resulted in the global spread of RL over the last decade. 

Maybe the RFL should take over running the IRL? 

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25 minutes ago, londonrlfan said:

Are the NRL really delusional that they think having Australia as the only country playing RL will enable their brand to grow? Australia has a sport that only they play in AFL and it is not a blip on the world sporting radar. RL spreading globally would help the NRL grow stronger commercially. 

They are too dumb to see that.

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2 hours ago, DC77 said:

 

As an Irishman when I see an English RL team on tv I think that’s a culture that belongs to a specific geographic group in the north of England. When I see an English football club (certainly one of the bigger clubs) I think a combination of the city they are based in as well as its English and international identity. When I’m at Anfield I’m surrounded by other non scousers in the stands. I then see a team made up of an Egyptian top goalscorer, a Dutch leader in defence, Brazilian in nets, led by a German manager, and flags representing a range of player nationalities being waved around the stadium. And before the game starts an anthem that is probably the most famous on the planet is played (and sung). Anyone in the world can identity with this. 

Not sure how you can be passionate about a team you have no connection to or even in the same country as you are from but each to their own... as long as you support your local team as well suppose no harm done.

Great to see as an Irish person you sing our National Anthem to our Queen with pride at Liverpool matches- well done lad.

Hope to see you at Newcastle singing it for Englands first WC game. 👍

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1 hour ago, Griff said:

Why can't they wipe their own weights bench down ?

If the gym is being block-booked for 2 hour sessions then the gym employees would wipe the benches down. That's protocol. Like any waiter in any restaurant when a group vacates a table.

Please Allora don't make a mountain out of a molehill? Or are you Gus Gould's love child?

I've often thought that a lot of Aussies look like they've all been issued by the same dad?

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4 hours ago, DC77 said:

Not sure it can be done.

It’s not so much just the names that Big Picture is alluding to (towns that RL clubs are based in) it’s the perception that the sport of RL is parochial, ie. entrenched in their own communities which leaves it detached from outsiders. Even London Broncos for instance, they are in London, have London in its name, so you would think “global”, buts it’s RL, viewed as a parochial game. Also London is just seen as an outpost.

Unless people outside the RL heartland suddenly took up the game (and they haven’t in 125 years) the club game will remain parochial within England. I think the opportunity is outside England as fans in Toronto don’t have this same perception of the game in England. Perhaps a London Broncos would resonate more with foreigners. 

As an Irishman when I see an English RL team on tv I think that’s a culture that belongs to a specific geographic group in the north of England. When I see an English football club (certainly one of the bigger clubs) I think a combination of the city they are based in as well as its English and international identity. When I’m at Anfield I’m surrounded by other non scousers in the stands. I then see a team made up of an Egyptian top goalscorer, a Dutch leader in defence, Brazilian in nets, led by a German manager, and flags representing a range of player nationalities being waved around the stadium. And before the game starts an anthem that is probably the most famous on the planet is played (and sung). Anyone in the world can identity with this. 

Britpop was very parochial which is why it didn’t have the same international resonance that a Coldplay had for example. RL in England is the sports equivalent of Britpop just in a more confined space within England.

Of course it's not just the names, it's the places behind the names and what those places mean in the world.  The issue in Liverpool or Manchester is much the same as in London: will the public there consider the likes of Warrington, Wigan and St Helens opponents worth their time, attention and money?

It seems clear that they'd have less interest in seeing the soccer teams there play the likes of Bolton, Blackburn and Preston than a team from another big city, and there's no reason to think that Warrington, Wigan and St Helens would have any greater appeal for them.  That's what would have to be solved to have successful pro teams in such cities and I suggest that the path to that goes through places like Toronto and New York.

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2 hours ago, Griff said:

Why can't they wipe their own weights bench down ?

Don’t listen to him. It’s just another excuse to hide the real thing. They value preseason games over internationals. They said so when this all started everything else since then is just noise

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31 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

If the gym is being block-booked for 2 hour sessions then the gym employees would wipe the benches down. That's protocol. Like any waiter in any restaurant when a group vacates a table.

Sure - and if they don't think that the gym's standards are high enough, they're free to do a bit more cleaning.

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15 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Don’t listen to him. It’s just another excuse to hide the real thing. They value preseason games over internationals. They said so when this all started everything else since then is just noise

I don't mind listening.  But the fella doesn't have a viable point to listen to.

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2 hours ago, londonrlfan said:

The NRL can't even grow in Australia! Where are the sides in Perth and Adelaide? But they're going to grow the sport globally?

What have the NRL ever done to grow RL globally? They have the biggest market in the world on their doorstep and have done nothing. Even the AFL have gone to China. 

The RFL, while not perfect, have done far more for the sport. Brought French, Welsh and Canadian clubs into the professional game. Brought Serbian and Russian clubs into the Challenge Cup. Agreed to take internationals to the USA. The RFL funded RLEF has resulted in the global spread of RL over the last decade. 

Maybe the RFL should take over running the IRL? 

Yes its all very well people knocking the RFL however their record on expansion has been pretty damm good they have never shied away from welcoming new clubs and countries + new stadiums 

 

Let me remind the RFL knockers out there 

* Russia teams in the CC

* French teams in the CC

* Catalan Dragons Super League

* Toulouse Championship 

* Last 40 years new teams (Ones still with us)  in London (2) Coventry Sheffield Newcastle Wales ETC (Compared to new rugby union clubs in the top 2 divisions ZERO:)

* Canada 

* Test in USA

* Internationals in London

* CC Final and MM in Edinburgh

* Same as above in Cardiff

* New stadiums Wigan/Warrington/St Helens/Hull FC/Huddersfield Giants/Salford Red Devils/Widnes/Dewsbury/Doncaster/Halifax/Leigh

* Major upgrades in many stadiums 

* Women RL

For what is perceived as a small regional sport the RFL have taken many more risks than the NRL with a tiny fraction of the income.

 

YES there is much more that can be done however lets STOP being so negative.

 

Paul

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51 minutes ago, ATLANTISMAN said:

Yes its all very well people knocking the RFL however their record on expansion has been pretty damm good they have never shied away from welcoming new clubs and countries + new stadiums 

 

Let me remind the RFL knockers out there 

* Russia teams in the CC

* French teams in the CC

* Catalan Dragons Super League

* Toulouse Championship 

* Last 40 years new teams (Ones still with us)  in London (2) Coventry Sheffield Newcastle Wales ETC (Compared to new rugby union clubs in the top 2 divisions ZERO:)

* Canada 

* Test in USA

* Internationals in London

* CC Final and MM in Edinburgh

* Same as above in Cardiff

* New stadiums Wigan/Warrington/St Helens/Hull FC/Huddersfield Giants/Salford Red Devils/Widnes/Dewsbury/Doncaster/Halifax/Leigh

* Major upgrades in many stadiums 

* Women RL

For what is perceived as a small regional sport the RFL have taken many more risks than the NRL with a tiny fraction of the income.

 

YES there is much more that can be done however lets STOP being so negative.

 

Paul

Great post. RFL and IRL may be pushed together by having a common enemy now A summer Nines series in British cities with teams called Samoa, Ireland, England, USA but using unknowns to mirror The Hundred ('The Nines") would be a great start to this new relationship. Sky want our sport to be more dynamic and forward thinking. That's the start. The international game must learn to do without NRL players if it is to realise its commercial ambitions. 

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