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The RLPA statement. I think it's clear the RLPA aren't happy with the NRL, by the fact they don't acknowledge or praise them whilst lavishing praise on the RLWC organisers. One thing is for certain, they have a huge say in how international RL develops going forward and I hope they can step up to the plate:

The RLPA would like to acknowledge the tremendous effort of the RLWC board, Jon Dutton, and the entire team to maintain the tournament’s viability up to this point. We appreciate and respect the inclusive and professional approach taken with players and their representative body during an incredibly challenging past 18 months.

Notwithstanding the disappointment of the decision for the International game and fans, we look forward to maintaining a strong and collaborative relationship with the RLWC in preparing for the men’s, women’s and wheelchair tournaments in 2022.

https://www.rlpa.com.au/rugby-league-world-cup/

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Joey Manu is off contract next year. There`s a piece just up about his options on NRL.com by Dan Walsh which includes the following obligatory reference -

"The chance to chase an All Blacks dream similar to NZ teammate RTS has also been flagged".

As far as I`m aware, Manu has never played Union. He grew up in Tokoroa, of Cook Island descent, which is a quintessential League background.

For connoisseurs of the NRL mindset, there is nothing better than their coverage of NZ to lay bare the ingrained belief that RL is an Australian club game, whereas RU is an international game.

If you put it to Mr. Walsh that Joey might want to chase a dream with the Kiwis, you might as well be speaking a foreign language.

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1 hour ago, Man of Kent said:

 

Paywalled, dude. Could you post the quote?

That is the quote, as I said it`s odd. Does go to show that not everyone is happy, especially if someone is putting their job on the line to say something. Does make you wonder why they call them journalists though, if they aren`t allowed to question anything that the NRL do, NRL mouth piece might be more appropriate.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

A sad, sad day but one we have been expecting. 

I can only take 1 positive from this. I think postponement will suit the England team more than anyone else. Let's face it preparation this year has been shambolic with SL games called off all over the place. This would have badly affected the England team compared to the NRL stacked teams that have barely been affected and played a full season. Plus our young players will be a year older too. I do think as a team England will be better for it.

I hope that all of this publicity will generate even more sales for next year. Without doubt more are now aware of the World Cup than they were 2 months ago. Next year simply has to go ahead no matter what tricks the NRL pull. Contingency plans need to be put in place and if sides have to be built around residence teams then so be it.

I also sincerely hope next year is the most profitable World Cup ever to give the IRL a bit of clout to push back against the NRL. The game needs a strong IRL now more than ever.

I was thinking the same re: our younger players. This whole affair, bizarrely, has also actually made me want to buy tickets even more!

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It appears that Australia pulling out of the WC has upset people from around the UK.

On the Daily Mail Online site there is an article by an Aussie hack called Mike Colman who has savaged the English cricket team for the suggestion that they might not tour Australia later in the year for The Ashes.

I was going to sign up so I could post a suitable response about the two faced article but to my surprise there are many comments from people all over the UK about the ARLC decision.

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3 minutes ago, Adelaide Tiger said:

It appears that Australia pulling out of the WC has upset people from around the UK.

On the Daily Mail Online site there is an article by an Aussie hack called Mike Colman who has savaged the English cricket team for the suggestion that they might not tour Australia later in the year for The Ashes.

I was going to sign up so I could post a suitable response about the two faced article but to my surprise there are many comments from people all over the UK about the ARLC decision.

Did Australia ever sign up for the RLWC?

They were expected to attend but never signed up for it.

Talent is secondary to whether players are confident.

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It's so sad that the sport has to do this but the NRL obviously can't be trusted:

The chair of the International Rugby League, Troy Grant, said there were a range of sanctions available if a decision was made to punish the Kangaroos and Kiwis for effectively boycotting the event this year. But Dutton said he simply wanted guarantees they would take part no matter what the public health situation in 2022.

“We’d like agreements to be absolutely binding with signed participation agreements and we’ve already started work on that,” he said. “We’ve worked hard for six years to get the tournament into a great position.

“Into the weekend, it became apparent we couldn’t continue and that it wouldn’t have been the world-class event we’d hoped. The work now is about ensuring we have everything in place, such as the guarantees and conditions and we’re confident we’ll be able to do that. It’s beyond disappointing we can’t stage it this year.”

And according to this 85% of players wanted to play:

A survey by Australia’s Rugby League Players Association found 85% of players indicated they would still be willing to play this year, but after Australia and New Zealand withdrew, Dutton conceded he feared a knock-on effect from neighbouring nations who would fill their squads with players from the NRL.

And some good news:

The tournament’s broadcast deal with the BBC will remain in place and after receiving considerable Government support, to the tune of £25m to host the World Cup, Dutton said discussions will take place about further funding .

“We’ve got some conversations to have with Government but we believe we’ll be able to stand on our own two feet through our own strong commercial performance,” he said. “That will ensure we don’t provide any great demand on the public purse.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/05/rugby-league-world-cup-postponed-to-2022-over-covid-fears

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3 hours ago, mozzauk said:

I heard this in the car on my way to the Office and a few things came into my head

 

1. What happens if all the grounds turn round and say no? 

2. How much is the postponement costing? 

3. Why are we going to hold the RLWC in the same year as the World Cup in DOHA? 

4. What about those teams who dont have a professional RL setup and players and officials work outside of RL, 

I think a lot of people are now thinking if they Aus and NZ can send 200+ athletes to the Olympics then why not the RLWC, it smack of the NRL taking away their toys and NZ following to not upset the apple cart.  The (what used to known as) RLIF and the RLWC should have grown a pair... 

1. We're screwed thanks to the NRL

2. Loads probably - obviously we won't be compensated by NRL

3. Because the NRL held a gun to our heads and 'asked' us to postpone it for a year, then pulled the trigger and that means it clashes with the FIFIA World Cup. They won't move the NRL season by 4 minutes to help with this clash.

4. The NRL don't care about them

The IRL/RLWC tried to grow a pair and carry on without them and then the NRL have 'persuaded' everyone (not just Aus and NZ players) not to go.

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20 hours ago, Dave T said:

It's because it isn't a real international plan. It is a plan that suppresses the international game to allow the NRL and Origin to carry on doing their thing. 

The NRL must have got wind from the Trojan Horse aka Peter Beattie of the 8 year plan of internationals by the IRL possible mid season windows for internationals or a 6 nations type tournament for the IRL to create revenue. These would require players being released threatening....omg the origin!!

So now it is damage control to discredit the IRL and get the power back, so they say when players can be used.

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18 hours ago, Bedfordshire Bronco said:

I always say the phrase 'four nations' resonated with the public..... A rare case of us nicking some shine from union..... People understand it as a concept due to the 6 nation's. No reason why we can't have a 5 or 6 nation's...... One of the few times I've seen RL chalked up outside pubs in Luton was for the 4 nations

I think a 4 year cycle could look like this:

Yr1 - Australia x 3, PNG, Fiji, France

Yr2 - 4 to 8 Nation Tournament, Wales

Yr3 - NZ x 3, Samoa, Tonga, France

Yr4 - World Cup, France and Wales

One of Tests are great as an event rather then series like union do.

Also England Knights could play curtain raisers against Scotland, Ireland, Jamaica or Serbia

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46 minutes ago, The Rocket said:

That is the quote, as I said it`s odd. Does go to show that not everyone is happy, especially if someone is putting their job on the line to say something. Does make you wonder why they call them journalists though, if they aren`t allowed to question anything that the NRL do, NRL mouth piece might be more appropriate.

 

 

Rugby League aside, that kind of control of the press obviously extends beyond sports reporting. It's a worry mate (for me) because its a move towards totalitarianism. It's scary, makes me shudder that the barons can make up any old because it suits their agenda, publish it across the Nation and it goes completely unchallenged.

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14 hours ago, Hemi4561 said:

It depends on your view of the future. The vast majority of people IMHO are sleepwalking into the future assuming that the world is going to keep bumbling along pretty much as it is now. There are many studies, some new and some decades old, that indicate that in the next 20 or 30 years socio economic and geo political disintegration may be a reality and the global Village will fracture back into a much more insular planet. In short, in this time frame the idea of sports teams travelling half way around the world on a plane to a "world Cup" may have disappeared. I am old enough that I really don't care if the future is Utopian or Dystopian, but caving in to the Australian view of international rugby league as if that was important in the long term is laughable

Fox Sports won't allow that

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14 hours ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

 Very disappointing. Classic RL.

Hopefully, they can regroup and put on a tournament next year. I would really try and bring the season forward so we can avoid a clash with the Qatar WC, one of many problems they're going to have here. At least government funding sounds like it is being retained and hopefully covid is more under control by then but I certainly aren't confident about that.

We aren't far off a NRL buy-out of SL which will become a feeder league for the NRL with Gus Gould 'pathways' from SL to NRL clubs. Pretty sad. I can't remember northern hemisphere RL being in a worse state than it is now in the 30+ years I've been interested.

Interesting the Sky ultimatum to the RFL/Super League restructure. Is this part of the big plan🤔

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20 minutes ago, Allora said:

Did Australia ever sign up for the RLWC?

They were expected to attend but never signed up for it.

It's a schedule that was put in place since before the 2013 World Cup to best fit in the RLWC with other major tournaments. Everyone agreed to it. It's the World Cup for goodness sake,  no country should need pleading to play and I certainly don't think anyone would expect an RL country to have to be begged to attend it. 

 

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6 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Rugby League aside, that kind of control of the press obviously extends beyond sports reporting. It's a worry mate (for me) because its a move towards totalitarianism. It's scary, makes me shudder that the barons can make up any old because it suits their agenda, publish it across the Nation and it goes completely unchallenged.

It`s why I subscribe to two papers Irish, the left leaning SMH and the right wing Australian. Sometimes it`s quite incredible the different take they can have on the same story, but I enjoy that, because it helps to form a better picture of the whole argument, not to mention it`s just bloody interesting.

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13 hours ago, Tex Evans Thigh said:

It's all well and good everyone wanting to cut ties with the NRL but they are the only real credible professional competition in the world. The NH game is managed incredibly poorly, it's just had a massive hit on TV revenue and seems intent on infighting. This forum is a great example with the 'traditionalists' v 'expansionists' (whatever those terms are supposed to mean) arguments that reflect the way the game is. UK RL cant agree what the best approach is and every 'plan' seems to be focused on promoting one thing to the detriment of another. 

If they can pull off a successful WC next year it might provide the boost the game needs, but failure will be a hammer blow. I dont think the UK game has the personnel or finances to turn it around and the game will continue to decline. NRL buy out at rock bottom price is almost inevitable to me at this point and might be the only option to retain fully professional RL.

The history of RL in Australia will tell you the management of the game should not be held in any great esteem eg. the SL War.

The game is lucky it has no big competitors in NSW and QLD. The game here is littered with self interest and always has been.

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13 hours ago, Chris22 said:

You reap what you sow.

 

Get use to that NRL, once Gould's plan for world domination takes hold in the backblocks of NZ and Australia. 🙄

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2 minutes ago, Damien said:

It's a schedule that was put in place since before the 2013 World Cup to best fit in the RLWC with other major tournaments. Everyone agreed to it. It's the World Cup for goodness sake,  no country should need pleading to play and I certainly don't think anyone would expect an RL country to have to be begged to attend it. 

 

I don’t think anyone is suggesting a Nation has to be begged to play.

There has been a few issues in the World in the last two years, there were contracts to sign to say a Nation was attending, the Kiwis signed it I don’t think Australia did.

Its a bit like two years ago when Great Britain toured the SH and they had not got Australia on board to play when they organised it.

it must have lost a fortune and was a disaster on the field that lowered GB/England’s standing in the game more than ever.

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11 hours ago, Liverpool Rover said:

It’s something I’ve thought for a while, the reason the Aussies wanting to hijack the international game being so it doesn’t overshadow their precious State Of Origin.

Correct and think about in 10, 15 or 20 years the number of PI or Kiwi players playing will very much be in the majority, so if the IRL have power over when internationals can be played they could easily put these on when origin is on and we have seen how popular and great to watch these games are. This is about having the control over players and when they can play internationals so as not to damage their product or partners product.

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1 hour ago, unapologetic pedant said:

Joey Manu is off contract next year. There`s a piece just up about his options on NRL.com by Dan Walsh which includes the following obligatory reference -

"The chance to chase an All Blacks dream similar to NZ teammate RTS has also been flagged".

As far as I`m aware, Manu has never played Union. He grew up in Tokoroa, of Cook Island descent, which is a quintessential League background.

For connoisseurs of the NRL mindset, there is nothing better than their coverage of NZ to lay bare the ingrained belief that RL is an Australian club game, whereas RU is an international game.

If you put it to Mr. Walsh that Joey might want to chase a dream with the Kiwis, you might as well be speaking a foreign language.

Maybe he wants to play in a World Cup.

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5 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

Six years ago, SOO’s TV rights were valued at £53m a year - for three games. 

Sky’s next Super League deal is £25m - for 66 games. 

But while I can see why the ARLC would want to protect their asset, I don’t see why that should involve the attempted murder of a tournament 10,000 miles away.

Is the World Cup really a threat to SOO? Not sure it is.

I sense the likes of V’landys and Gould do see the potential of Test football - as the logical extension of the NRL’s growing Pacific sphere of influence - they just want control of it to beef up their TV offer to the likes of Channel 9.

Look at it another way, if Covid had not hit would the Aussies and Kiwis be playing the WC this year?

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5 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Didn't the NRL also take a hit on TV revenue and lose $24m whilst also cutting planned expansion and are now starting to leak players and publicity to sports that actually play internationals.

We don't need a buy out from them.

I’m not suggesting it would be a good thing, quite the opposite, but SL might not be in a position to turn it down. 

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