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23 minutes ago, frank said:

Still reckon they should have picked two other countries. Be a real farce if these two  indigenous teams get to the final and they could.

They only good thing I see coming out of it is that will hit the NRLs pre season.

Why would it be a farce ? It could be the greatest publicity generator the game has ever had, these aren`t going to be half-arsed teams that will get flogged, these are going to be proud talented Indigenous/Aboriginal/Maori teams that are representing their country on the world stage because the white fella wouldn`t turn up. Not to mention put on a football show for everyone who tunes in.

Aboriginal culture is one of the oldest in the world, 40 000+,  and one of the most overlooked, not even recognised in the Australian census until 1967 and not given fully equal voting rights with non-indigenous Australians till 1984. Breathtaking.

We are all aware of proud Maori culture, this could be the time for Aboriginal peoples to take their turn in the international spotlight as well.

This could be a moment for Rugby League to shine, if we can treat these teams as heroes and make them welcome, especially in stark contrast to the way Naomi Osaka has been treated in Japan just because she lost and a lot of Japanese didn`t think she as `Japanese` enough.

 What with BLM  and a World Cup theme  of `Together`  I think the timing couldn`t be better.

Indigenous Men's War Cry | 2021 NRL All-Stars - Bing video

Imagine if the NRL tried to deny Cody or Latrell the right to do this in front of 40 000 live and millions on TV internationally.

 

 

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5 hours ago, The Rocket said:

Why would it be a farce ? It could be the greatest publicity generator the game has ever had, these aren`t going to be half-arsed teams that will get flogged, these are going to be proud talented Indigenous/Aboriginal/Maori teams that are representing their country on the world stage because the white fella wouldn`t turn up. Not to mention put on a football show for everyone who tunes in.

Aboriginal culture is one of the oldest in the world, 40 000+,  and one of the most overlooked, not even recognised in the Australian census until 1967 and not given fully equal voting rights with non-indigenous Australians till 1984. Breathtaking.

We are all aware of proud Maori culture, this could be the time for Aboriginal peoples to take their turn in the international spotlight as well.

This could be a moment for Rugby League to shine, if we can treat these teams as heroes and make them welcome, especially in stark contrast to the way Naomi Osaka has been treated in Japan just because she lost and a lot of Japanese didn`t think she as `Japanese` enough.

 What with BLM  and a World Cup theme  of `Together`  I think the timing couldn`t be better.

Indigenous Men's War Cry | 2021 NRL All-Stars - Bing video

Imagine if the NRL tried to deny Cody or Latrell the right to do this in front of 40 000 live and millions on TV internationally.

 

 

I dont share your belief that choosing people based on race is some fantastic idea even if it gets some private school 'progressive' giving a nice write up in the guardian.

Still the alternative is cancel so lets crack on. Looking to the future, an aboriginal team could be more likely to tour in the future or join a four nations tournament than Australia.

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It is going to mean everyone has an opinion either for or against.

Would the event be a success if there was a Nz Maori v Aboriginal final? Are the games they play given test match status? What happens afterwards, do they then decide to do there own tours instead of filtering back to Australia or New Zealand as a country again?

Again the situation we are now in, we can thank the NRL for getting us into this mess.

Remember both sides at full strength would be 1 of many who would now claim they would win it - sure it may draw the pack closer together but hypothetically if Nz Maori beat England by a field goal in the final in the last minute would we be talking about the great game or the fact this isn't New Zealand the test Nation who won but rather an indigenous side.

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Just saw this.

NRL clubs dish out World Cup hammer blow | The West Australian

Ordinarily, clubs are bound to release players for representative duties as part of their license agreement with the NRL.

However that will not be enforced this World Cup after the ARL Commission's decision to pull the Kangaroos from the tournament.

It means clubs would have the power to tell their players they do not want them to participate.

Friday's statement didn't explicitly state players would not be allowed to feature in the tournament, but gave every indication clubs would not support them going over.

A ray of hope.

"The NRL and its clubs have gone to great lengths and invested heavily to ensure our players remain healthy and the competition continues," Souths CEO Blake Solly said.

Idiot Solly again.

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A reminder, if you want the world to notice, that Great Britain and playing Australia in the women's football quarter finals today.

You may not like women's football but 10m over here watched the Lionesses World Cup semi final and (on their own figures) 1.6m watched the Aussies last game over there.

Get on social media, use the game's hashtags to politely raise the contrast between one team doing Australia proud on the global stage and an other who would rather stay at home tucked in bed.

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Having a couple of other countries in the comp would do more for spreading the game,  in those countries, than a couple of Indigenous teams.

Iv'e watched these games in Aussie and they play some great footy ,but it' not a comp Indigenous Teams. leave them be.

The Aussies and NZ won't be televising these games but maybe the  the countries added  will.

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What still amazes me about the NRL’s statement and indeed the entire Australian me me me approach is that there is no suggestion as to how a 2022 World Cup would happen, or any acknowledgement of the efforts other sports are taking when faced with the same challenges and the costs and vast wider impact associated with any rearranged tournament. Or are they offering to pay for the delay, and I missed it? 
 

It seems to me that NRL is now a rival sport intent on destroying anything it can’t control. 

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I guess the NRL supports my decision not to watch them anymore & many more people  like me.

Statement to clubs from me If your worried about your players so much, don't play trial matches or do contact collision at training as they might get hurt. Don't release them for SOO either as that might injure them.

What a joke of a statement? You would think they were playing the World Cup in Congo/Somalia & Nigeria joint hosting it.

 

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6 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

there is no suggestion as to how a 2022 World Cup would happen

They know it can't simply happen by transposing 2021's dates and locations.

They don't care.

But they also know that if IRL is desperate enough that they (the NRL) have priority access to a bunch of soulless stadiums in Sydney and Brisbane which could add to their (the NRL's) profit.

Heck, there's probably a pie shop or two who already support the NRL who might like to pay a few extra dollars to get their name on the halfway line.

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11 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

What still amazes me about the NRL’s statement and indeed the entire Australian me me me approach is that there is no suggestion as to how a 2022 World Cup would happen, or any acknowledgement of the efforts other sports are taking when faced with the same challenges and the costs and vast wider impact associated with any rearranged tournament. Or are they offering to pay for the delay, and I missed it? 
 

It seems to me that NRL is now a rival sport intent on destroying anything it can’t control. 

Absolutely, indeed all the comments from those saying "postpone to 2022" screams of people with no concept of the outside world.

Nobody is stupid enough to place an event up against the FIFA World Cup. Well nobody except the insular idiots who think Australian RL is the only thing anybody cares about.

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1 hour ago, ShropshireBull said:

Still the alternative is cancel so lets crack on. Looking to the future, an aboriginal team could be more likely to tour in the future or join a four nations tournament than Australia.

The sentiments inspiring players to represent Maori or indigenous Aussie are similar to those motivating the Pacific Island players. All this is now a major feature of Southern Hemisphere RL.

The pre-season All Stars game went to an Indigenous/Maori format in 2019. I suspect the timing wasn`t accidental. The decision will have been taken in 2018, not long after the on and off field phenomenon of Tonga at the 2017 WC.

I think the NZ RL realised that if NZ-born Tongans and Samoans embraced their heritage national teams, the Maoris would feel left out. And if there were ever a split between NZ RL and NZ Maori RL, it would be calamitous for the Kiwis.

There`s no reason why an Indigenous team can`t officially represent Australia at the WC. For the reasons The Rocket cites, any NRL administrator or politician who tried to thwart them would be risking heavy opprobrium. If the NZ Maori come, I think they will want Aotearoa as their valid title.

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7 hours ago, 17 stone giant said:

How strong would these teams be? I'm looking at the side of the draw that Australia and NZ were in, and would it be that impossible for one of these teams to reach the final?

Fiji, Scotland, Italy, Lebanon, Wales, and Jamaica are the other teams in that half.

No, that can't be right. If Lebanon and Jamaica are on the list, Ireland must be too.

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The new statement is a mendacious disgrace, but it shows the clubs and the ARLC are rock solid on the same page. My fear is this now means the clubs will instruct ALL of their players not to travel or face sanction, and the Australian governing body will back them. 

Sure, the IRL could penalise the ARLC for this, but what can they do? Suspend the ARLC? Sue the NRL? They wouldn't care about the first and we know who's got the deeper pockets for the second. 

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1 minute ago, Toby Chopra said:

My fear is this now means the clubs will instruct ALL of their players not to travel or face santion, and the Australian governing body will back them. 

Even if they don't do anything formal, we know, because we're all human beings with life experience, how easy it is for organisations to put informal pressure that works on their employees.

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4 hours ago, frank said:

Still reckon they should have picked two other countries. Be a real farce if these two  indigenous teams get to the final and they could.

They only good thing I see coming out of it is that will hit the NRLs pre season.

Technically they would face each other in the semi finals if they replaced Aus/NZ and it all went to plan/seeding.

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

Even if they don't do anything formal, we know, because we're all human beings with life experience, how easy it is for organisations to put informal pressure that works on their employees.

For sure. And if they know the ARLC will turn a blind eye they'll absolutely do it. 

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35 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

What still amazes me about the NRL’s statement and indeed the entire Australian me me me approach is that there is no suggestion as to how a 2022 World Cup would happen, or any acknowledgement of the efforts other sports are taking when faced with the same challenges and the costs and vast wider impact associated with any rearranged tournament. Or are they offering to pay for the delay, and I missed it? 
 

It seems to me that NRL is now a rival sport intent on destroying anything it can’t control. 

Yeah but it's another year away and we can concentrate on NRL and 2022 SOO before we have to think about the RLWC. That is exactly the thinking.

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"The NRL and its clubs have gone to great lengths and invested heavily to ensure our players remain healthy and the competition continues," Souths CEO Blake Solly said.

Corrected that...

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1 minute ago, Scubby said:

Yeah but it's another year away and we can concentrate on NRL and 2022 SOO before we have to think about the RLWC. That is exactly the thinking.

But they are suggesting something which looks impossible, unless much more money is stumped up, and they must know that. Oh, and they can’t even be bothered by now acknowledging the calamitous knock on effects for the rest of the world. 

For years the Oz papers have referred to the pro game as NRL rather than rugby league. This is the natural endpoint of that. They are literally a law to themselves. 

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11 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said:

But they are suggesting something which looks impossible, unless much more money is stumped up, and they must know that. Oh, and they can’t even be bothered by now acknowledging the calamitous knock on effects for the rest of the world. 

For years the Oz papers have referred to the pro game as NRL rather than rugby league. This is the natural endpoint of that. They are literally a law to themselves. 

They don't care mate, they just want it out of their hair for this year. How often has anyone said I'll do it next week, next month, next year to make something disappear.

If the NRL and clubs can get a World Cup cancelled the IRL is pretty much dead, or at worst mortally wounded.

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1 hour ago, Man of Kent said:

Why have Souths and Raiders been put at front of house to deliver this message from the 16? Is it because they are the only clubs with more than 1 English player, to apply a bit more informal pressure.? If so, that stinks.

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1 hour ago, The Rocket said:

I`m not quite sure what that`s all about, for me it is more, as a Rugby League supporter, they offered to come, the RL WC organising committee and all who support it accepted, we are eternally grateful, yes if you want to showcase your much maligned culture before matches fine. 

As an Australian, do us proud and thank you. That simple.

So nothing to do with BLM then. 

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