Dave T Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Eddie said: The excuse that people don’t like to pay on top of their season tickets or don’t want to pay in case they go to Old Trafford the week after doesn’t walk with me. It’s not like play off semi finals in football aren’t packed out for those reasons. Maybe the play off format just don’t work in RL, ie they don’t interest enough people. It doesn't matter whether it washes with you, it is a fact - the crowds are low. It's not an opinion piece. Demand is lower for all pay games in UK sports, the likes of football can still often fill grounds though such is their demand. If this was a regular season pass game tonight, you'd have 10 or 11k Wigan fans and the 4k Leeds fans. We'd have a 15k crowd and it'd be all about the Rugby. Playoffs attract high numbers of away fans and high viewing figures. People are intereated in them. Edited September 16, 2022 by Dave T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dave T said: It doesn't matter whether it washes with you, it is a fact - the crowds are low. It's not an opinion piece. Demand is lower for all pay games in UK sports, the likes of football can still often fill grounds though such is their demand. If this was a regular season pass game tonight, you'd have 10 or 11k Wigan fans and the 4k Leeds fans. We'd have a 15k crowd and it'd be all about the Rugby. Playoffs attract high numbers of away fans and high viewing figures. People are intereated in them. I know crowds are low boss, what I’m saying is that it isn’t because people don’t want to pay for an extra game on top of their ST - the football play offs demonstrate that isn’t the case. Therefore home fans don’t want to go for a different reason, which could be because they’re not that interested - what else could it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, Eddie said: I know crowds are low boss, what I’m saying is that it isn’t because people don’t want to pay for an extra game on top of their ST - the football play offs demonstrate that isn’t the case. Therefore home fans don’t want to go for a different reason, which could be because they’re not that interested - what else could it be? Your evidence is actually not evidence. Football fans are not the same as RL fans. Sure we can see some similar behaviours, but the demographic, mindset and behaviours are very different. Do you know some RU clubs charge £80 for a ticket for a standard league game? You ask what else could it be, I've told you. If you want evidence, look at the Challenge Cup crowds when we gave them on the season ticket versus when we didn't. This year, Wire played Wakey over two consecutive weekends. One week got over 8k, the next 2.5k. The reason is crystal clear. If the drop was 8k to 6.5k you may have a point about not being as attractive, but two identical games over two weeks shouldn't have the difference it is. We don't need to over think it. Our customers behave in a certain way. We insist they behave differently for a small number of games a year and then act surprised when they don't buy it. FWIW, the crowd does look decent, it looks like the Wigan fans have responded well in the latter half of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dave T said: Your evidence is actually not evidence. Football fans are not the same as RL fans. Sure we can see some similar behaviours, but the demographic, mindset and behaviours are very different. Do you know some RU clubs charge £80 for a ticket for a standard league game? You ask what else could it be, I've told you. If you want evidence, look at the Challenge Cup crowds when we gave them on the season ticket versus when we didn't. This year, Wire played Wakey over two consecutive weekends. One week got over 8k, the next 2.5k. The reason is crystal clear. If the drop was 8k to 6.5k you may have a point about not being as attractive, but two identical games over two weeks shouldn't have the difference it is. We don't need to over think it. Our customers behave in a certain way. We insist they behave differently for a small number of games a year and then act surprised when they don't buy it. FWIW, the crowd does look decent, it looks like the Wigan fans have responded well in the latter half of the week. Yeah agreed, the crowd is a lot bigger than was predicted, it sounds good. However the demographic at many football clubs is similar to rugby league - and as I said, their attendances go up not down when they reach the play offs. I don’t think it’s surprising, the reason being that football play offs are clearly more attractive to paying spectators than the SL play offs. Not sure what can be done about that mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, Eddie said: Yeah agreed, the crowd is a lot bigger than was predicted, it sounds good. However the demographic at many football clubs is similar to rugby league - and as I said, their attendances go up not down when they reach the play offs. I don’t think it’s surprising, the reason being that football play offs are clearly more attractive to paying spectators than the SL play offs. Not sure what can be done about that mind you. I'm not convinced clubs like Sheffield Utd, Nottingham Forest etc. Fan bases are comparable to even the strongest RL clubs fan bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 51 minutes ago, Dave T said: I'm not convinced clubs like Sheffield Utd, Nottingham Forest etc. Fan bases are comparable to even the strongest RL clubs fan bases. They’re not who I was thinking of. More Blackpool, Preston, Accrington Stanley, Halifax Town and clubs in those sort of places, Hartlepool too. But anyway it’s all speculation isn’t it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, Eddie said: They’re not who I was thinking of. More Blackpool, Preston, Accrington Stanley, Halifax Town and clubs in those sort of places, Hartlepool too. But anyway it’s all speculation isn’t it! There’s a potential here to be going in to the pro’s and con’s of having a play off system to decide the champions, here… (Also worth pointing out that football can deliver however many tens of thousands for play off finals without relying on neutrals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Over 12,000 tonight 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Over 12,000 tonight Decent that, it sounded good on tv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 As well as the numbers, I think the demeanour of the home and away crowds is always fascinating in these games and must have some bearing on the teams' performance. Home crowds tend to be expectant and can become a bit moany; away crowds partisan and noisy. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalfordSlim Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 16 hours ago, Dave T said: I'm not convinced clubs like Sheffield Utd, Nottingham Forest etc. Fan bases are comparable to even the strongest RL clubs fan bases. Erm they can both pull in 30k attendances..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, SalfordSlim said: Erm they can both pull in 30k attendances..... Yes, sort of my point, they have large fan bases from decent sized cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Just Browny said: As well as the numbers, I think the demeanour of the home and away crowds is always fascinating in these games and must have some bearing on the teams' performance. Home crowds tend to be expectant and can become a bit moany; away crowds partisan and noisy. The Salford fans certainly are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggFace Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 15 hours ago, Eddie said: Decent that, it sounded good on tv. Thats a bad crowd for a semi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, EggFace said: Thats a bad crowd for a semi Considering people were predicting 8,000 it’s not bad tbf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Frisky Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, EggFace said: Thats a bad crowd for a semi Compared to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggFace Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr Frisky said: Compared to what? It's poor in my eyes and should of at least got 20000 against Leeds in a semi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggFace Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Eddie said: Considering people were predicting 8,000 it’s not bad tbf. Why were people predicting 8000 for a semi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Do we have numbers for all 4 playoff games? Tbh, after watching all four of them, I though they came across pretty well. The presence of noisy away fans in all four games added to the atmosphere on TV, and I assume in the grounds too. I'm not sure why some people like to make out away fans aren't important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris22 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave T said: Do we have numbers for all 4 playoff games? Tbh, after watching all four of them, I though they came across pretty well. The presence of noisy away fans in all four games added to the atmosphere on TV, and I assume in the grounds too. I'm not sure why some people like to make out away fans aren't important. 12,357 for Saints. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Dave T said: Do we have numbers for all 4 playoff games? Tbh, after watching all four of them, I though they came across pretty well. The presence of noisy away fans in all four games added to the atmosphere on TV, and I assume in the grounds too. I'm not sure why some people like to make out away fans aren't important. I don't think anyone says that away fans aren't important. That is often the strawman posited by those who think games without thousands of away fans spell financial ruin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: I don't think anyone says that away fans aren't important. That is often the strawman posited by those who think games without thousands of away fans spell financial ruin. It is regularly posted and then people quote things like games against London and French clubs where clubs have given tickets away. And then when challenged people claim it was never said and its a strawman. Edited September 17, 2022 by Dave T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Dave T said: It is regularly posted and then people quote things like games against London and French clubs where clubs have given tickets away. And then when challenged people claim it was never said and its a strawman. You’re just in a wanting to watch the world burn mood, aren’t you? 2 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 hours ago, EggFace said: Why were people predicting 8000 for a semi ? Because a few days ago the stadium map of sold seats at Wigan was sparse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bratman Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 25k over the 2 semis is pretty good IMO, let's hope for 70k at final now 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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