Attendances (Multiple Merged Threads)

[Ragingbull]

Great to see a non heartland club less than a year old pullling in good numbers.  Bigger crowds than many  clubs who have been around for more than  a hundred years.   Just shows what  can be done with a bit of effort rather than just plodding along being happy to survive

[Tommygilf]

2 minutes ago, Ragingbull said:

Great to see a non heartland club less than a year old pullling in good numbers.  Bigger crowds than many  clubs who have been around for more than  a hundred years.   Just shows what  can be done with a bit of effort rather than just plodding along being happy to survive

Also what can be done without the "weight of history".

[Dave T]

Let's just allow Cornwall to continue to develop roots and become a strong club and see what they can do before even mentioning things like SL.

But they must be pleased with the start they have made with crowds. As an aside, what is their operation like? Do they have decent merchandise, sales etc? 

[ShropshireBull]

3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

Also what can be done without the "weight of history".

100 % in New markets league can be whatever it wants. 

[Toby Chopra]

10 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

100 % in New markets league can be whatever it wants. 

I knew this could be done in places where there's no real rugby tradition - see Toronto - but it's remarkable what Cornwell are achieving in an area where union is so steeped in the sporting culture. Perhaps because union in Cornwall isn't so class-based as it is much of the rest of England? Or perhaps, ironically, league has fallen so far off people's radar in the south that much of the old perception/prejudice has faded? A clean slate. 

I still think they're going to have to go full time - or at least hybrid - in the next couple of years, as they'll never become competitive just with local players. And then of course there's the question of the ground if they want to push on. 

But a great start so far and a good news story. 

[Josef K]

What was the attendance at Wakey ?. 

[fighting irish]

On 23/07/2022 at 11:41, gingerjon said:

Hastings. No rain in the past few weeks, none in the forecast.

Well well, my wife's taken a job in Bodiam (not far from you). Is there any Rugby League down that way?

[gingerjon]

24 minutes ago, fighting irish said:

Well well, my wife's taken a job in Bodiam (not far from you). Is there any Rugby League down that way?

Medway and Invicta are probably the nearest but they’re not exactly close. There is some activity in Brighton too.

[fevtom]

20 hours ago, Josef K said:

What was the attendance at Wakey ?. 

4162

 

considering the rain and the lack of cover I think it’s fair to say a few walk ups might have been put off.

[fevtom]

Updated season averages:

Leeds Rhinos	12641
St Helens	12511
Wigan Warriors	11338
Hull FC	10542
Warrington Wolves	8734
Catalans Dragons	7979
Hull Kingston Rovers	7915
Castleford Tigers	7781
Huddersfield Giants	5388
Wakefield Trinity	4811
Toulouse Olympique	4652
Salford Red Devils	4376

and as a percentage of ground capacity, if you’re interested in that type of thing:

St Helens	69.5
Castleford Tigers	66.1
Hull Kingston Rovers	64.7
Leeds Rhinos	64.2
Catalans Dragons	61.4
Warrington Wolves	57.5
Wakefield Trinity	51.5
Wigan Warriors	45.1
Hull FC	41.5
Salford Red Devils	36.5
Toulouse Olympique	23.9
Huddersfield Giants	22.3

[Wholly Trinity]

26 minutes ago, fevtom said:

Updated season averages:

Leeds Rhinos	12641
St Helens	12511
Wigan Warriors	11338
Hull FC	10542
Warrington Wolves	8734
Catalans Dragons	7979
Hull Kingston Rovers	7915
Castleford Tigers	7781
Huddersfield Giants	5388
Wakefield Trinity	4811
Toulouse Olympique	4652
Salford Red Devils	4376

and as a percentage of ground capacity, if you’re interested in that type of thing:

St Helens	69.5
Castleford Tigers	66.1
Hull Kingston Rovers	64.7
Leeds Rhinos	64.2
Catalans Dragons	61.4
Warrington Wolves	57.5
Wakefield Trinity	51.5
Wigan Warriors	45.1
Hull FC	41.5
Salford Red Devils	36.5
Toulouse Olympique	23.9
Huddersfield Giants	22.3

What capacity are you using for Belle Vue?

IIRC it was limited to c.7.3k prior to east stand closure, now probably even less. Only 1.5k in North terrace. 

#ClingingToPositves

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, fevtom said:

4162

 

considering the rain and the lack of cover I think it’s fair to say a few walk ups might have been put off.

I hope they enjoyed the view of the dugout.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Eddie

[fevtom]

2 hours ago, Wholly Trinity said:

What capacity are you using for Belle Vue?

IIRC it was limited to c.7.3k prior to east stand closure, now probably even less. Only 1.5k in North terrace. 

#ClingingToPositves

I just went by the Wikipedia figure of 9,333. I did have a feeling that it would be limited to a bit under that. Looks like it is 7,258 (although obviously not during the redevelopment) which would take it to 66.2% full. 

[Eddie]

4 hours ago, fevtom said:

Updated season averages:

Leeds Rhinos	12641
St Helens	12511
Wigan Warriors	11338
Hull FC	10542
Warrington Wolves	8734
Catalans Dragons	7979
Hull Kingston Rovers	7915
Castleford Tigers	7781
Huddersfield Giants	5388
Wakefield Trinity	4811
Toulouse Olympique	4652
Salford Red Devils	4376

and as a percentage of ground capacity, if you’re interested in that type of thing:

St Helens	69.5
Castleford Tigers	66.1
Hull Kingston Rovers	64.7
Leeds Rhinos	64.2
Catalans Dragons	61.4
Warrington Wolves	57.5
Wakefield Trinity	51.5
Wigan Warriors	45.1
Hull FC	41.5
Salford Red Devils	36.5
Toulouse Olympique	23.9
Huddersfield Giants	22.3

There’s a couple of good news stories there but it’s really sad to see Leeds, Wigan and Wire’s crowds so far down on where they have been recently. 

[ShropshireBull]

On 24/07/2022 at 15:34, Toby Chopra said:

I knew this could be done in places where there's no real rugby tradition - see Toronto - but it's remarkable what Cornwell are achieving in an area where union is so steeped in the sporting culture. Perhaps because union in Cornwall isn't so class-based as it is much of the rest of England? Or perhaps, ironically, league has fallen so far off people's radar in the south that much of the old perception/prejudice has faded? A clean slate. 

I still think they're going to have to go full time - or at least hybrid - in the next couple of years, as they'll never become competitive just with local players. And then of course there's the question of the ground if they want to push on. 

But a great start so far and a good news story. 

Also no real football team and the avenue to elite union seems to be closing so a gap in the market. 

[ShropshireBull]

Also shout out to Wakey still get near 5k in woeful stadium and being awful.  Definite chance to push for 6.5k -7k in future with dev.  Could hold that crowd if they go down too. 

[Scubby]

56 minutes ago, Eddie said:

There’s a couple of good news stories there but it’s really sad to see Leeds, Wigan and Wire’s crowds so far down on where they have been recently. 

If all the media and controversy is focussed on clubs 10-14 then it has a ripple effect. All the talk should be on the pinnacle of our sport. 

[GUBRATS]

On 24/07/2022 at 10:53, Ragingbull said:

Great to see a non heartland club less than a year old pullling in good numbers.  Bigger crowds than many  clubs who have been around for more than  a hundred years.   Just shows what  can be done with a bit of effort rather than just plodding along being happy to survive

Why ? 

[Dallas Mead]

2 hours ago, Scubby said:

If all the media and controversy is focussed on clubs 10-14 then it has a ripple effect. All the talk should be on the pinnacle of our sport. 

This ^^^

[Scubby]

3 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

Also shout out to Wakey still get near 5k in woeful stadium and being awful.  Definite chance to push for 6.5k -7k in future with dev.  Could hold that crowd if they go down too. 

If Wakefield go down crowds will be 2-3k in 2023

[ShropshireBull]

8 hours ago, Scubby said:

If Wakefield go down crowds will be 2-3k in 2023

Season Widnes went down they held up and Bradford only went from 6 to 5k first year in Champ. 

If you start winning some games and push the progress off the field I think you can be closer to 4.

[Scubby]

Just now, ShropshireBull said:

Season Widnes went down they held up and Bradford only went from 6 to 5k first year in Champ. 

If you start winning some games and push the progress off the field I think you can be closer to 4.

Problem is what squad Wakefield will have if they go down? It's not beyond the possibility that they go fully part-time and there will be no main stand for that season. The club is run on peanuts. 

[tiffers]

On 23/07/2022 at 23:55, meast said:

I would imagine there's quite a few exiles and genuine RL fans around the South West that are just glad to be able to watch live RL.

It's not always just about the results.

This is definitely true for a section of the supporter base. There is a lot of people from all over the UK that have moved to Cornwall and are RL people delighted to be able to watch it locally.

There are also folk like me, from the heartlands that have moved to Cornwall and are now bringing with them other people that have no association to RL at all and are really enjoying live RL for the first time. Coming back week after week, despite the score line, because they can appreciate the skills and commitment from both sides. I've no doubt that if Cornwall can kick on again, there is growth potential in that 1k marker.

BBC Radio Cornwall and other local media are really helping with the brand awareness too. On Saturday, there was no other professional sport happening anywhere near and therefore meant the Choughs got the lions share of the sports coverage locally. All baby steps, but positive baby steps.

[ShropshireBull]

4 minutes ago, Scubby said:

Problem is what squad Wakefield will have if they go down? It's not beyond the possibility that they go fully part-time and there will be no main stand for that season. The club is run on peanuts. 

True but no team is going to do a Leigh and buy the League. Only Newcastle are full time. 

I dont know maybe I am being too optimistic but you get a fresh start and can attract players with the progress off the field, win some actual games and change the feeling around the club.  If you change coach plenty would want the role (although I would just be driving to Batley and grabbing CL)

Carter said if you had got relegated vs Bradford years ago he was done,  now with the re dev there is a good future even if you go down. Main stand is finished when? 

[Scubby]

5 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

True but no team is going to do a Leigh and buy the League. Only Newcastle are full time. 

I dont know maybe I am being too optimistic but you get a fresh start and can attract players with the progress off the field, win some actual games and change the feeling around the club.  If you change coach plenty would want the role (although I would just be driving to Batley and grabbing CL)

Carter said if you had got relegated vs Bradford years ago he was done,  now with the re dev there is a good future even if you go down. Main stand is finished when? 

Middle end next year I think