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1 minute ago, Agbrigg said:

It tells you absolutely nothing, means absolutely nothing.

That's not true, is it?

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4 minutes ago, whatmichaelsays said:

On the thread discussing the recent podcast with one of IMG's leadership, there was mention of them wanting to create an environment where owners felt confident or encouraged to invest. Surely this is the manifestation of that? If you invest in the club to the standard necessary to receive an A grade, then the risk associated with that investment is seriously reduced? 

Absolutely. Especially if, as I understand it, once Super League is full of Cat A teams, a new Cat A team will lead to an increase in the size of the league (if that hasn't happened already).

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57 minutes ago, Dave T said:

It's a good question. 

But if their backers and say Sky came to the table with a huge TV deal to join the games and create a super division that included the bigger Union clubs plus Wigan, Saints, Leeds etc. there could be a way of making short term money. 

 

Leeds had a Union team couldn't fill a coach with the attendances.

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7 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

 

It seems most people don't like the latter being a major factor

You are no better than them by denying that it is both. 

Telling people it is not sport is just trolling, because I assume you don't really think that. 

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21 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said:

We don´t agree on much but if clubs who got burnt by licensing before feel they wont get a fair shot then yes, 100% this is what will happen. 

Name me one club that deserved to be in SL in the last period of licensing that wasn't allowed into the league?

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36 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

You aren't seriously making that comment are you Harry? Next you'll be saying London and New York!

Off course I'm serious, there may be a few Leythers that go to the Women's game but not many, in fact I honestly do not know anyone who attends the M.U. ladies.

So what has London and New York got to do with anything, I was simply answering Gingers statement concerning the LSV next season.

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3 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Absolutely. Especially if, as I understand it, once Super League is full of Cat A teams, a new Cat A team will lead to an increase in the size of the league (if that hasn't happened already).

Assuming things are being reported accurately, if we get too many Cat A teams then we move to Conferences (or similar) in the top tier.

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4 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

This whole report is nothing more than fancy corporate speak and cliche. It tells you absolutely nothing, means absolutely nothing. Not one single fact or financial detail. 

Looks like IMG have passed this over to an under graduate on work experience to compile. I really don't understand how any one could take any of these absurdly vague suggestions seriously.

I think all of this comes with the caveat of 'more details to follow' and from a business model POV, there will be KPIs both for clubs and the league to establish if this is moving the sport in the right direction. I don't think IMG will be just throwing these ideas over the fence as it were and saying 'crack on'. 

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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:

Off course I'm serious, there may be a few Leythers that go to the Women's game but not many, in fact I honestly do not know anyone who attends the M.U. ladies.

So what has London and New York got to do with anything, I was simply answering Gingers statement concerning the LSV next season.

My statement was about how the most visible Super League in a rugby league town might not actually be rugby's Super League.

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5 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

This whole report is nothing more than fancy corporate speak and cliche. It tells you absolutely nothing, means absolutely nothing. Not one single fact or financial detail. 

Looks like IMG have passed this over to an under graduate on work experience to compile. I really don't understand how any one could take any of these absurdly vague suggestions seriously.

All balony i agree, in 2024 we will have a totally new "strategy" that no one will follow.

Reminds me of my workplace that trys brings in new ways of working every 12 months that everyone ignores.

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Just now, Harry Stottle said:

Off course I'm serious, there may be a few Leythers that go to the Women's game but not many, in fact I honestly do not know anyone who attends the M.U. ladies.

So what has London and New York got to do with anything, I was simply answering Gingers statement concerning the LSV next season.

Your comment was that Manchester United will get more people to the LSV because they are "Manchester", whereas Leigh Centurions are "Leigh".

Surely you haven't done a most spectacular avant face and want to advocate teams rebranding to larger "city names".

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Just now, Damien said:

Obviously Magic isn't as popular and as profitable as some claim on here:

 

 

I think all we know is that until Anfield there was definitely a bidding process and money was paid by the host city. It was literally called Magic because it alliterated with Millennium and the City of Cardiff was paying RL to come back after the Challenge Cup left.

After that ... guesswork.

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1 minute ago, gingerjon said:

I think all we know is that until Anfield there was definitely a bidding process and money was paid by the host city. It was literally called Magic because it alliterated with Millennium and the City of Cardiff was paying RL to come back after the Challenge Cup left.

After that ... guesswork.

Magic left Cardiff 14 years ago yet people harp back to what was said at that time. If it was a real money maker then I'm sure it would be retained. I presume fan feedback wasn't positive and attendances hardly justify its place in the calendar.

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Just now, Damien said:

Magic left Cardiff 14 years ago yet people harp back to what was said at that time. If it was a real money maker then I'm sure it would be retained. I presume fan feedback wasn't positive and attendances hardly justify its place in the calendar.

Not remotely disagreeing.

But it wasn't always a bad idea - it's just become one. In part, because of the marketing and development failure that IMG are addressing.

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52 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

74% of respondees saw growth of the sport outside traditional areas as important.

Interesting result certainly.

France (along with London and womens game) is important area for growth. Yet only 2 none UK teams allowed in. So no growth in terms of number of clubs from this season.

Also forcing them to play a certain number of French players (no number mentioned). I presume this would mean they both will be Cat A and exempt from relegation? A good idea from my perspective but not sure how well it will go down.

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28 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

Cat B should give clubs the ability to compete with other Bs, whilst also allowing the strongest Bs to grow into Cat A clubs.

So I´m in SL as a Cat B club and I go to sponsors , they tell me well we´d love to but we dont know whether you´ll be in the league in 2 years time so no. Likewise players and coaches. It´s a self fulfilling prophecy. 

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4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

You are no better than them by denying that it is both. 

Telling people it is not sport is just trolling, because I assume you don't really think that. 

It isn't sport in the sense of Corinthian spirit as many seem to continuously suggest (along with a healthy dose of nostalgia).

Ultimately, it is businesses pitting their most skillful, and generally best paid, employees against eachother. I've grown up in the Premier League era, I understand that is what Professional Sport boils down to ultimately, and I'm accepting of that.

The Sport in this case is generally better when you get roughly similar sized businesses competing against eachother. That is what this is trying to achieve with the Grading system and the aim to have a Super League full of Grade As, and a Championship full of strong Grade Bs.

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6 minutes ago, whatmichaelsays said:

On the thread discussing the recent podcast with one of IMG's leadership, there was mention of them wanting to create an environment where owners felt confident or encouraged to invest. Surely this is the manifestation of that? If you invest in the club to the standard necessary to receive an A grade, then the risk associated with that investment is seriously reduced? 

If the criteria is black and white and as simple and as easily achievable purely through investment as minimum standards on stadiums and running an academy then fair enough. If other things like average attendances and revenue generation are brought into the equation then I believe my points stand. 

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Just now, glossop saint said:

France (along with London and womens game) is important area for growth. Yet only 2 none UK teams allowed in. So no growth in terms of number of clubs from this season.

Also forcing them to play a certain number of French players (no number mentioned). I presume this would mean they both will be Cat A and exempt from relegation? A good idea from my perspective but not sure how well it will go down.

Inevitable if you want to grow the international game. Toulouse: You cant get relegated but we guarantee you in so you can go to your sponsors with confidence. Build long term and go on to become another Catalan for us. 

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1 minute ago, ShropshireBull said:

So I´m in SL as a Cat B club and I go to sponsors , they tell me well we´d love to but we dont know whether you´ll be in the league in 2 years time so no. Likewise players and coaches. It´s a self fulfilling prophecy. 

Hopefully by that point the Grade B is on the way to becoming a grade A.

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