Griff Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: I believe it has, or at least words to that effect. Was there not some mention of expanding the top division once 12 had been exceeded? Unlikely, I know, for year 1. "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, Griff said: Was there not some mention of expanding the top division once 12 had been exceeded? Unlikely, I know, for year 1. If, at some future point, there are more As than spaces then the number of spaces will be increased. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Hardly seems RL reimagined... Nothing paticularly exciting. Seems to include league structure changes, which I thought wasn't important. All be it the new structure may just be a copy of what they did elsewhere. A bit like the loops copying scotland from last consultant's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShropshireBull Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, Just Browny said: Leigh have helped roll the pitch for this decision by basically buying in an unbeatable squad and showing up the fallacy of 'earning it on the pitch'. Great point, cant build success if someone just buys it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, gingerjon said: If, at some future point, there are more As than spaces then the number of spaces will be increased. So a non-problem then. 1 "We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomersall Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, ShropshireBull said: Great point, cant build success if someone just buys it. I don't know what point you're making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimmestStar Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: Wiggin and Hull FC, good point they should be category 'B's' but I bet they won't be. Hull only have a short lease on the MKM, they are losing over a million pounds every year and finished 9th this season. Don't see how that would make them Category A. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) I read this to be Some clubs will be exempt from relegation if finish bottom Lowest B grade will be relegated and swopped with highest B grade of championship 'upon review' so if Catalan are bottom they survive, if wakey are second bottom they could swop with say Leigh. This will go on until there are 12 grade A but maybe then expand to 14 with some grade Bs Also in the detail France and London appear to be getting special protection as 'target expansions' so London and both French clubs could be shoe horned in. Would explain why Toulouse are happy to go again in champ and why London are settling in Wimbledon. So looks like category A Saints Wigan Warrington Leeds Huddersfield Hull Hull KR Catalan Toulouse London Plus 2 grade B clubs Edited September 28, 2022 by yipyee Forgot about Warrington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Griff said: Was there not some mention of expanding the top division once 12 had been exceeded? Unlikely, I know, for year 1. Yes exactly that. I think they are looking at 2026 onwards for that however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, yipyee said: I read this to be Some clubs will be exempt from relegation if finish bottom Lowest B grade will be relegated and swopped with highest B grade of championship 'upon review' so if Catalan are bottom they survive, if wakey are second bottom they could swop with say Leigh. This will go on until there are 12 grade A but maybe then expand to 14 with some grade Bs Also in the detail France and London appear to be getting special protection as 'target expansions' so London and both French clubs could be shoe horned in. Would explain why Toulouse are happy to go again in champ and why London are settling in Wimbledon. So looks like category A Saints Wigan Leeds Huddersfield Hull Hull KR Catalan Toulouse London Plus 3 grade B clubs London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I hope they don't exempt some from relegation and not others. It will spoil it for me. Either no p and r at all or bottom club gets relegated with Championship winners going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, DimmestStar said: Hull only have a short lease on the MKM, they are losing over a million pounds every year and finished 9th this season. Don't see how that would make them Category A. Covid years don't count. Its the 3 after that will. The coach has been changed so should bring about an improvement on field which will increase attendances and revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Spidey said: London Their words not mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELBOWSEYE Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, yipyee said: I read this to be Some clubs will be exempt from relegation if finish bottom Lowest B grade will be relegated and swopped with highest B grade of championship 'upon review' so if Catalan are bottom they survive, if wakey are second bottom they could swop with say Leigh. This will go on until there are 12 grade A but maybe then expand to 14 with some grade Bs Also in the detail France and London appear to be getting special protection as 'target expansions' so London and both French clubs could be shoe horned in. Would explain why Toulouse are happy to go again in champ and why London are settling in Wimbledon. So looks like category A Saints Wigan Leeds Huddersfield Hull Hull KR Catalan Toulouse London Plus 3 grade B clubs No Warrington then. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, JM2010 said: I hope they don't exempt some from relegation and not others. It will spoil it for me. Either no p and r at all or bottom club gets relegated with Championship winners going up Thats obviously the plan, A grade exempt, B gradeat risk if onfield is poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, ELBOWSEYE said: No Warrington then. Yeah sorry missed that off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, yipyee said: I read this to be Some clubs will be exempt from relegation if finish bottom Lowest B grade will be relegated and swopped with highest B grade of championship 'upon review' so if Catalan are bottom they survive, if wakey are second bottom they could swop with say Leigh. This will go on until there are 12 grade A but maybe then expand to 14 with some grade Bs Also in the detail France and London appear to be getting special protection as 'target expansions' so London and both French clubs could be shoe horned in. Would explain why Toulouse are happy to go again in champ and why London are settling in Wimbledon. So looks like category A Saints Wigan Leeds Huddersfield Hull Hull KR Catalan Toulouse London Plus 3 grade B clubs The sky sports report says on field and off field included in selection criteria. So why london and toulouse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, yipyee said: Thats obviously the plan, A grade exempt, B gradeat risk if onfield is poor The nearest to this I could be happy with would be p and r with the promoted team having to meet certain criteria to get into SL Edited September 28, 2022 by JM2010 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, redjonn said: The sky sports report says on field and off field included in selection criteria. So why london and toulouse They said London, France and womens games are target areas for them. Toulouse happy to play a year in championship and should finish high up enough to be Cat B at worst just in time for grading ahead of 2024. They also make a point that there is a 2 team limit, again suggesting this is for top level. It would appear then also that the international window mid season will be vs France also (educated guess). I don't see why they would mention London at all if they didn't want to shoe horn them in and all previous reshuffles seem to target a London reprieve. London also got promoted to SL gave a good showing and historically have produced SL level players 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, JM2010 said: The nearest to this I could be happy with would be p and r with the promoted team having to meet certain criteria to get into SL I think they are doing this to keep everyone happy so this will happen. Somehow at the end of every season the winner of the championship will be reviewed to see if they can go up. They also said they will expand the top tier if necessary so a hybrid of what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tommygilf said: Yes exactly that. I think they are looking at 2026 onwards for that however Sky sports report says 14 teams the aim by 2026 for both leagues 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) I have to say as well, they will probably get the numbers required voting for this. Your 6 or so Grade As, guaranteed votes. Your League 1/lower Champ permanent part timers/long term aspirationals. Guaranteed votes. Enough of the ultimate Bs believe they are capable of becoming As and/or will be included in the top division. There's your majority of votes. Edited September 28, 2022 by Tommygilf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjonn Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, yipyee said: They said London, France and womens games are target areas for them. Toulouse happy to play a year in championship and should finish high up enough to be Cat B at worst just in time for grading ahead of 2024. They also make a point that there is a 2 team limit, again suggesting this is for top level. It would appear then also that the international window mid season will be vs France also (educated guess). I don't see why they would mention London at all if they didn't want to shoe horn them in and all previous reshuffles seem to target a London reprieve. London also got promoted to SL gave a good showing and historically have produced SL level players Maybe but yep expansion area but doesn't mean shoe in.... Unless have criteria then promptly ignore criteria to shoehorn in. Seems odd img say league structures isn't priority then the discussion revolves around a new structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, yipyee said: Some clubs will be exempt from relegation if finish bottom Lowest B grade will be relegated and swopped with highest B grade of championship 'upon review' so if Catalan are bottom they survive, if wakey are second bottom they could swop with say Leigh. The screenshot of the presentation that was shared earlier in the thread said this. 2026 season: 12 clubs in top tier - Category A clubs plus highest ranked category B clubs. Mix of Category B clubs changed to reflect new rankings. This implies that the mix up of Cat B's in the top tier each year may be more drastic than the bottom Cat B in tier 1 being replaced by the top Cat B in tier 2. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yipyee Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Just now, redjonn said: Maybe but yep expansion area but doesn't mean shoe in.... Unless have criteria then promptly ignore criteria to shoehorn in. Seems odd img say league structures isn't priority then the discussion revolves around a new structures. Yep its odd that they name target areas if its supposed to be fair and transparent. It also explains though why Newcastle have dropped FT as they knew they are up against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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