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1 hour ago, Jughead said:

Except they’ve not said any of that. They’ve gone on about being a local sport for local people. Royston Vaysey Cougars have embarrassed themselves and the sport. It’s that exact attitude we want shot off. 

They are correct. Are do you think it might work in Stoke, Bristol or Northampton for example. It's not Rugby Union, and it will never be. Let's embrace what we have instead of trying to be something we can not.....well in the last 30 years it hasn't done so. Well said Keighley Cougars, I always liked them anyway. 🙂

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4 hours ago, wiganermike said:

I too hope that the gap in funding between SL and Championship can be narrowed, but that is to a certain extent dictated by whatever money the next broadcast deal brings in. Nobody is naive enough to think that cuts will occur below SL before they do in SL if cuts are needed due to broadcast revenue falling.

You say that, but cuts below SL were far greater below, than in SL 

For the gap to close even partially we will need to see broadcast rights income increase to pay for it. With regards to the money coming in from the broadcast deal most if not all will go to paying the wages of players.

The previous broadcast deal saw a massive uplift in funding for the game. Each SL club got an extra £300k to widen the gap even further. Sorry, but history does not back that assessment.

SL wage bills are much higher (unless you have an owner like Derek Beaumont paying for it) and require more to pay for them. Once the playing staff are paid from tv revenue I doubt clubs in either division have much left over to accrue further advantage.

Quite a few teams are not spending to the cap, Wakefield and Salford immediately spring to mind, I'd be surprised if there aren't others too, likely to be Cat B clubs, that Cat B's in the CH are likely to be targeting to replace.

The money that pays for everything else will come from other income (tickets, merchandise etc.), sponsors and the owner.

Better gates in the top tier, more travelling support buying tickets, Sponsors will be shown on Sky and Channel 4 coverage. CH clubs might get a game on Premier Sports, but otherwise they are anonymous. Potential investor can choose to align with a higher profile club playing in the top division, or a largely anonymous team in the CH, where would your sponsorship money go to raise the profile of your brand?

The ability to raise the funds to pay for all the club infrastructure is essentially what most of the grading assessment should come down too. That is the strength of the club and what each club would rely on should broadcast revenue disappear altogether.

That is the problem, and why Cat B's in the CH are always going to be behind the 8 ball. Higher gates and profile in SL means there is a far better chance of attracting money in to the club to strengthen the infrastructure and score higher than a Cat B in the CH. It was publicised either last season, or the season before Wakefield's playing budget was circa £1M, £600 - £800k less than the central funding they received. Clubs in SL will always have the luxury of doing that. Cat B's in the CH cannot afford to do that.

 

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13 minutes ago, clogdance said:

They are correct. Are do you think it might work in Stoke, Bristol or Northampton for example. It's not Rugby Union, and it will never be. Let's embrace what we have instead of trying to be something we can not.....well in the last 30 years it hasn't done so. Well said Keighley Cougars, I always liked them anyway. 🙂

I didn’t drink enough last Saturday that I imagined watching a bloke from London win his 5th Grand Final, playing against blokes born in Poland and Swaziland having last year played against a French team made up of five French players, a player born in Cardiff and a player born in Guildford, having also played the 2020 final against a bloke from Kent whilst being alongside teammates from Port Talbot and Liverpool and having lined up against Salford in 2019 alongside a French halfback against a side that had a Cardiff born player and a player born in Oxford. 

Local game?

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39 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Did Keighley get shafted under licensing? 

Not under licensing, no.

There was, of course, the buying off of 1996, which is possibly the allusion.

"We'll sell you a seat .... but you'll only need the edge of it!"

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2 minutes ago, Griff said:

Not under licensing, no.

There was, of course, the buying off of 1996, which is possibly the allusion.

So the claim is just wrong then. 

6 other Northern clubs were relegated from the top flight upon SL's creation. But that wasn't licensing. 

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7 minutes ago, Jughead said:

I didn’t drink enough last Saturday that I imagined watching a bloke from London win his 5th Grand Final, playing against blokes born in Poland and Swaziland having last year played against a French team made up of five French players, a player born in Cardiff and a player born in Guildford, having also played the 2020 final against a bloke from Kent whilst being alongside teammates from Port Talbot and Liverpool and having lined up against Salford in 2019 alongside a French halfback against a side that had a Cardiff born player and a player born in Oxford. 

Local game?

Wow, that number is so high that I lost count on my left hand. 🤠

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I think the problem that Rugby League has, is that clubs like Keighley is allowed to have a say on how an organisation like IMG can work on the sport.

Keighley cougars have been existing since 1876. 146 years to build up to an average crowd of 870. They have no professional players. How are they allowed to tell anyone what to do? Here in Spain, my local municipality team brings in more fans to watch hockey on roller skates. 

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17 minutes ago, Madrileño said:

I think the problem that Rugby League has, is that clubs like Keighley is allowed to have a say on how an organisation like IMG can work on the sport.

Keighley cougars have been existing since 1876. 146 years to build up to an average crowd of 870. They have no professional players. How are they allowed to tell anyone what to do? Here in Spain, my local municipality team brings in more fans to watch hockey on roller skates. 

Some terrible takes on here over the last few pages but yours might top the lot.

Please stick to posting about your local hockey team in Spain.

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37 minutes ago, DOGFATHER said:
38 minutes ago, DOGFATHER said:

I too hope that the gap in funding between SL and Championship can be narrowed, but that is to a certain extent dictated by whatever money the next broadcast deal brings in. Nobody is naive enough to think that cuts will occur below SL before they do in SL if cuts are needed due to broadcast revenue falling.

You say that, but cuts below SL were far greater below, than in SL 

 I intended to type 'naive enough to think that cuts will not occur below SL before they do in SL if cuts are needed' here. Somehow I managed to dumbly miss out typing the word not and so said the opposite of what I intended. I have edited the initial post to correct this. I agree with your reply, when the last deal saw income fall the greatest cuts were below SL. I would expect cuts to be made to allocations below SL before they were made at SL level.

Your quoting of my post allowed me to spot my mistake so thank you.

When assessing the grade B clubs then I would expect ratios to be applied to the metrics being assessed to account for the competition in which a particular club is competing. It would be unreasonable to expect a club in the Championship to be able to attract the same size of crowds or to generate the same amount of turnover as a club of comparable size competing in the higher profile SL. As an example an average attendance of 3000 would be of great concern for a SL club, an average crowd of 3000 in the Championship however would be a strong base from which to build if promoted. I would expect the required targets to attain to gain promotion would be lower than those needed to be met in order to avoid being demoted.

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1 hour ago, Buzzer90 said:

Some terrible takes on here over the last few pages but yours might top the lot.

Please stick to posting about your local hockey team in Spain.

Thanks for your input. Do you think Wigan agrees with you? Or Leeds? Or St Helens?

Do you think they like being told what they can or can't do, by clubs like Royston Keighley?

"2 up 2 down in every league in every season" one of the most amateurish things I have ever heard 😆

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6 hours ago, Liverpool Rover said:

On Twitter Rod Studd seems have become increasingly hysterical about it.

It is always the ones you least expect.

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8 hours ago, Dave T said:

there is generally an attitude in RL that if things aren't as you agree with then it is corrupt. 

And tbh, I'm not sure what we can do about that, 

Call it out.

The rules on this board are a good starting point. Call something corrupt and you better have a signed document saying, "I did a corruption."

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7 hours ago, ShropshireBull said:

So Keighley were gutted last time for nothing under the system that is being proposed 

No. That is a thing that didn't happen and this is not the same system.

Other than that, a phenomenal level of accuracy. 

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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6 hours ago, wiganermike said:

When assessing the grade B clubs then I would expect ratios to be applied to the metrics being assessed to account for the competition in which a particular club is competing. It would be unreasonable to expect a club in the Championship to be able to attract the same size of crowds or to generate the same amount of turnover as a club of comparable size competing in the higher profile SL. ...

This is exactly right.

But can you imagine just how complex calculating these weights/ratios will be? 

IMG don't even understand that you need to weight survey responses.

Are you trusting that serious quants modellers and statisticians will be brought in to do the job? On the evidence so far, I'm not.

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10 hours ago, GUBRATS said:

So far we've got licencing ( again ) , but ' transparent ' 😉 this time ( yeah right ) , getting rid of the MW , possibly replacing it with a 9s comp , getting rid of loop fixtures between SL clubs and replacing them with 2 legged cup matches against those same SL clubs 😂

And this is going to make IMG millions ? 🤔 , How ?

Oh and we've restarted the infamous ' stadium race ' 

Well, that's one interpretation of what has been published so far. I guess we need to see what comes out officially by (or after) the October meeting before awarding you the Booker Prize.

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Albert Einstein   (Fat chance on THIS forum)

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7 hours ago, Buzzer90 said:

Some terrible takes on here over the last few pages but yours might top the lot.

Please stick to posting about your local hockey team in Spain.

Sounds like there are some lessons they could give to some of our clubs, though. No flat caps,  clogs and shawls for a start.

"Stay away from negative people. They have a problem for every solution."

Albert Einstein   (Fat chance on THIS forum)

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59 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

Call it out.

The rules on this board are a good starting point. Call something corrupt and you better have a signed document saying, "I did a corruption."

Aye, I'm meaning in general. 😆 We just need to crack on doing what we feel is right and not trying to please everyone. 

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1 minute ago, Dave T said:

Aye, I'm meaning in general. 😆 

Coward.

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8 hours ago, Jughead said:

I didn’t drink enough last Saturday that I imagined watching a bloke from London win his 5th Grand Final, playing against blokes born in Poland and Swaziland having last year played against a French team made up of five French players, a player born in Cardiff and a player born in Guildford, having also played the 2020 final against a bloke from Kent whilst being alongside teammates from Port Talbot and Liverpool and having lined up against Salford in 2019 alongside a French halfback against a side that had a Cardiff born player and a player born in Oxford. 

Local game?

I also remember many Welsh lads that were instrumental in the successful international sides we once produced and they were not locals to our sport, they had promise, offered a wage came here and learned the sport. 

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