Ref Abuse

[Gomersall]

Some despicable comments to Chris Kendall and Marcus Griffiths.

 

[Griff]

Personally, I'd prosecute every time.

[Dunbar]

The connected world and social media has many positives.

But it also allows an opportunity to amplify voices of hate - the type of voices that would have never have found such a wide audience back in the day when the biggest #### could be ignored and given a wide berth.

The problem is that the volume of these types of messages are completely disproportionate to the number of people sending them.  In other words a few ####'s sending a lot of horrible stuff.

I do believe that the world will right itself and the generations growing up with these tools will not see them as a vehicle for hate.

But that's for a different thread (and forum).  In the meantime, if specific hate speech or explicit threats can be pinpointed to a single person then the RFL should absolutely go after them. 

We pride ourselves as a family sport that doesn't tolerate this stuff.  Let's prove it.

[RigbyLuger]

1 hour ago, Griff said:

Personally, I'd prosecute every time.

And life bans (as much as that can be policed.)

 

Clubs also have a duty to do more as well.

[Griff]

3 minutes ago, RigbyLuger said:

And life bans (as much as that can be policed.)

 

Clubs also have a duty to do more as well.

Clubs can't monitor the whole of social media.  They need folk to be their eyes and ears.  "Is Joe Bloggs one of ours?  Or is he one of theirs?"

But in principle - ignoring how impractical that might be - yes.

[Hopie]

I turned the video off when the abuse started, if these companies don't moderate their content or if they do and it is still beyond what is reasonable to the user, then the users should close their accounts. Vote with your feet and let the hateful people abuse each other if that is what they want.

[sweaty craiq]

Many folk don’t understand that abuse and opinion are very different these days. We have some shocking inconsistencies at present but without refs we have no game, hopefully they can be educated and developed behind closed doors like any other business.In the mean time folk stepping over the line need to be brought before the courts

[Gomersall]

The companies that run SM sites need to be more stringent in who can use them. If an individual can’t supply a name and a contact number then they don’t use the site. If they abuse the terms and conditions then they should be banned and if their comments are libellous or just plain vile then they should be reported to the police. If the companies can’t do that then don’t allow them to operate in the U.K.

[Padge]

Social media platforms should be declared as publishers to make them come under the same regulation as newspapers, not that it will solve the problem but after a few court cases social media may start to take their responsibilities seriously.

At the moment they can't be actioned for what idiots post, where as if I write to a newspaper and they publish my letter then they are held responsible for publishing the content. 

[Tommygilf]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/aMTPAfz2CWxJ3FTz/

 

[moorside roughyed]

Wouldn't be a ref for all the tea in China.

[bobbruce]

12 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/aMTPAfz2CWxJ3FTz/

 

The issue is game wide you see that sort of thing going on by fans of all clubs. Maybe not as young as these but I imagine they are just copying what they see adults doing. Something we need to get a grip on as a game as it won’t be long before a ref is hit by an object or attacked live on Sky. 

[sweaty craiq]

Feral kids are a problem in the NS at Leigh - and I would like to see the section as a 12+ standing area personally. Good parents keep their kids close, bad ones let them run wild at the bottom.
Now onto the officials - they dictate the spectacle, good ones create a fast open game that fans enjoy even in defeat, too many bad ones create a slow, stop start arm wrestle that does not encourage fans to spend £30 to watch live. Grant created the latter but he is not alone and imo the group need reminding of these often and especially as the last words before entering play

[dkw]

35 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

Feral kids are a problem in the NS at Leigh - and I would like to see the section as a 12+ standing area personally. Good parents keep their kids close, bad ones let them run wild at the bottom.
Now onto the officials - they dictate the spectacle, good ones create a fast open game that fans enjoy even in defeat, too many bad ones create a slow, stop start arm wrestle that does not encourage fans to spend £30 to watch live. Grant created the latter but he is not alone and imo the group need reminding of these often and especially as the last words before entering play

So it's just the refs then that create that kind of game, and not players constantly conceding penalties? Refs dont make these things up you know.

[bobbruce]

5 minutes ago, dkw said:

So it's just the refs then that create that kind of game, and not players constantly conceding penalties? Refs dont make these things up you know.

Yep fans can’t wait to come on here and tell us all the offences the ref ignored against their team. Until their team give penalties away and then they are too keen to blow the whistle. 

[dkw]

6 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Yep fans can’t wait to come on here and tell us all the offences the ref ignored against their team. Until their team give penalties away and then they are too keen to blow the whistle. 

We get it at Town matches, moaning about refs penalising us, when in reality our discipline is appalling and pretty much all penalties we give away are correct. 

Obviously refs will interpret slightly differently at times, but players know this, and will realise early on what they are going to penalise. 

[sweaty craiq]

37 minutes ago, dkw said:

So it's just the refs then that create that kind of game, and not players constantly conceding penalties? Refs dont make these things up you know.

Your opinion? I differ! A coach will look at an oppositions strengths and try to negate them by going outside the law ie lay down a bit longer, keep your hand in the ruck, turn the player after hold called, work a short 10, have a quick push as the tackled player is about to ptb, side by side at marker, confrontation at the tackle and these days throw your arms up etc. if any ref enforces the rules in the first 10 then we get the best game possible

[Loiner]

Everything they have said is despicable and people should be prosecuted and jailed. I have my moments criticising officials but would never stoop so low as this.

[Click]

2 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

Your opinion? I differ! A coach will look at an oppositions strengths and try to negate them by going outside the law ie lay down a bit longer, keep your hand in the ruck, turn the player after hold called, work a short 10, have a quick push as the tackled player is about to ptb, side by side at marker, confrontation at the tackle and these days throw your arms up etc. if any ref enforces the rules in the first 10 then we get the best game possible

It's amazing how much blind faith you have with players. 

Even though you admit that the players are doing all they can to try and slow it down, etc. But it's the ref's fault if they don't correctly manage that situation? 

Rather than blame the players. 

[sweaty craiq]

2 hours ago, Click said:

It's amazing how much blind faith you have with players. 

Even though you admit that the players are doing all they can to try and slow it down, etc. But it's the ref's fault if they don't correctly manage that situation? 

Rather than blame the players. 

The players will be following instruction, officials are FT to be able to enforce the rules in all situations. Often team A are good boys but team B get away with it and take the points. Stop Team B don’t force team A to follow suite

[daz39]

6 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

Feral kids are a problem in the NS at Leigh - and I would like to see the section as a 12+ standing area personally. Good parents keep their kids close, bad ones let them run wild at the bottom.
Now onto the officials - they dictate the spectacle, good ones create a fast open game that fans enjoy even in defeat, too many bad ones create a slow, stop start arm wrestle that does not encourage fans to spend £30 to watch live. Grant created the latter but he is not alone and imo the group need reminding of these often and especially as the last words before entering play

I disagree here, yesterday my team gave penalties away by being indisciplined and not heeding the Referee's advice regarding offside etc, i would expect any referee at any level to penalise that stuff even against my team, which he did.

We can't complain Ref's aren't penalising opponents misdemeanours, or they are pulling our own sides up too much then expect them to ignore stuff to create a faster game, they are there to apply the rules of the game not to make fans experience more enjoyable or face abuse for it.

I thought Mr Grant had a decent game yesterday and rightly penalised my team, which at the time i thought could've been a tad harsh while at the ground.

[Click]

47 minutes ago, sweaty craiq said:

The players will be following instruction, officials are FT to be able to enforce the rules in all situations. Often team A are good boys but team B get away with it and take the points. Stop Team B don’t force team A to follow suite

Yes, exactly this.

But what you are suggesting is perhaps ref's shouldn't enfore the rules in all situations, as if they did then the game is awful as you mention.

[Hopie]

Referees should enforce the rules at all times, its when they enforce rules some of the times but not others that the problems start.

Consistency is what I want, and I offer no value to the Australian attitude (to Origin in particular) that when the game is at a higher level you should let more foul play go to let the game flow. If you let things go it gives an advantage to the dirtiest team, you should be able to play clean and win.

[Curly perm]

On 14/07/2024 at 12:08, sweaty craiq said:

Feral kids are a problem in the NS at Leigh - and I would like to see the section as a 12+ standing area personally. Good parents keep their kids close, bad ones let them run wild at the bottom.

Banning kids from stands - progressive.

I’m not sure kids aged 11 and under are generally to blame for abusing refs, especially the kind of abuse described in the video. 

 

[RS50]

On 14/07/2024 at 11:11, bobbruce said:

Something we need to get a grip on as a game as it won’t be long before a ref is hit by an object or attacked live on Sky. 

Didn't something like this happen a few years ago? Seem to remember an incident on BBC, where a fan got hold of a referee ( Stuart Cummins? maybe). May have been a cup match when Sheffield were in the top flight. Ended when a player got hold of the fan, and handed him over to the Police.