Sat 13th July : SL : Leigh Leopards v Huddersfield Giants KO 15:00 Sky TV

[EagleEyePie]

The players behaviour towards Tom Grant in this game has been really poor. Player after player backchatting. You get it in games at times but I can't remember it being this bad. Ref doing his best in a game where the players are letting their emotions get the better of them.

[WN83]

He’s a wrong un Savelio. More interested in looking a big man/giving verbals than actually playing the game and he could be a really good player. 

[Hopie]

Those cards have been coming, game has been allowed to boil over.

[Bull Mania]

1 minute ago, WN83 said:

He’s a wrong un Savelio. More interested in looking a big man/giving verbals than actually playing the game and he could be a really good player. 

According to SL website, it's only his fourth appearance this year and it's his second red card. Has all the ability in the world, but as you say, too busy wanting to be the hard man

[Spidey]

Lovely kids in Leigh

[WN83]

Just now, Spidey said:

Lovely kids in Leigh

Clips around the ear all over the shop needed! 

[Phil]

Just now, Spidey said:

Lovely kids in Leigh

Indeed, I know what I’d do if they were mine 

[The Blues Ox]

How is that not a try? What is the point of the video ref. 10 looks to decide there is seperation when there was not a single angle that suggested it.

[EagleEyePie]

Good play from Halsall. Always been a decent player. Good call from Tom Grant on the potential penalty try. Not over this one.

Edit: It is now

Edited July 13 by EagleEyePie

[Leyther_Matt]

1 hour ago, The Blues Ox said:

How is that not a try? What is the point of the video ref. 10 looks to decide there is seperation when there was not a single angle that suggested it.

All about the on-field decision, that one, as seems to be the case pretty much once a game.

Much closer result than it needed to be. Was triggering PTSD from the Cas game earlier in the season.

Win’s a win. 

[LeytherRob]

Well a win is a win but we seemed to do our best to throw that one away despite being a man up.

That decision by the touch judge on Hudds kick to touch was nuts though, not sure i can recall a more blatant misinterpretation of the rules than that one. The ball is not dead until it lands, regardless of whether its crossed the line in the air. 

[bobbruce]

7 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

Well a win is a win but we seemed to do our best to throw that one away despite being a man up.

That decision by the touch judge on Hudds kick to touch was nuts though, not sure i can recall a more blatant misinterpretation of the rules than that one. The ball is not dead until it lands, regardless of whether its crossed the line in the air. 

Or is touched by someone in touch. 

[LeytherRob]

Just now, bobbruce said:

Or is touched by someone in touch. 

That too. But it's not even like Moylan was adjudged to be in touch. The ball was signalled dead by whistle whilst it was about 30ft in the air. 

[bobbruce]

Just now, LeytherRob said:

That too. But it's not even like Moylan was adjudged to be in touch. The ball was signalled dead by whistle whilst it was about 30ft in the air. 

Yeah fair enough I haven’t seen the incident but was just adding that in. Is there a video of the decision. 

[LeytherRob]

9 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Yeah fair enough I haven’t seen the incident but was just adding that in. Is there a video of the decision. 

 

 

 

[bobbruce]

4 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

 

 

 

Yeah that is a strange one but I actually don’t blame the touch judge here it’s his job to mark where the ball crosses the line for the penalty to be tapped. It’s the refs job to know that doesn’t matter if the ball doesn’t end up in touch. 

[Hopie]

3 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Yeah that is a strange one but I actually don’t blame the touch judge here it’s his job to mark where the ball crosses the line for the penalty to be tapped. It’s the refs job to know that doesn’t matter if the ball doesn’t end up in touch. 

Lol, not the touch judge's job to see if it has gone into touch or not.

[The Blues Ox]

33 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

Well a win is a win but we seemed to do our best to throw that one away despite being a man up.

That decision by the touch judge on Hudds kick to touch was nuts though, not sure i can recall a more blatant misinterpretation of the rules than that one. The ball is not dead until it lands, regardless of whether its crossed the line in the air. 

Im sure someone can weigh in with the correct interpreatation but I believe it to be from a restart of the game the ball only needs to cross the plane of the line. Ie. we see the same from kick offs where the ball only has to be judged to cross the 10 metre line rather than having to bounce, the same happens on goal kicks if the ball goes through and is blown back. I believe it to be the same for a kick to touch and it has been interpreted wrong in a number of cases.

When the ball is in play as long as it has bounced in play it can cross the line and as long as the player jumps from the field of play it can be batted back in to play. I'd love to hear what is correct though.

 

[bobbruce]

4 minutes ago, Hopie said:

Lol, not the touch judge's job to see if it has gone into touch or not.

Yes but he’s also marking the point where it crossed the line which he did now he’s had a brain fart by not checking where the ball ended up. For me though the ref watched it all and his explanation was the ball went out of play so the last bit didn’t matter that means he doesn’t know the rules surely thats worse. 

Edited July 13 by bobbruce

[Impartial Observer]

17 minutes ago, bobbruce said:

Yes but he’s also marking the point where it crossed the line which he did now he’s had a brain fart by not checking where the ball ended up. For me though the ref watched it all and his explanation was the ball went out of play so the last bit didn’t matter that means he doesn’t know the rules surely thats worse. 

The ref cannot overule the TJ on matters of touch

[LeytherRob]

26 minutes ago, The Blues Ox said:

Im sure someone can weigh in with the correct interpreatation but I believe it to be from a restart of the game the ball only needs to cross the plane of the line. Ie. we see the same from kick offs where the ball only has to be judged to cross the 10 metre line rather than having to bounce, the same happens on goal kicks if the ball goes through and is blown back. I believe it to be the same for a kick to touch and it has been interpreted wrong in a number of cases.

When the ball is in play as long as it has bounced in play it can cross the line and as long as the player jumps from the field of play it can be batted back in to play. I'd love to hear what is correct though.

 

The correct interpretation was carried out immediately following the red card to save savelio. Leigh kicked to touch and the Huddersfield player stood in the field of play reach out and tipped it back from over the line. It was correctly waved play on. The ball is live until its either landed outside the field of play.

[bobbruce]

18 minutes ago, Impartial Observer said:

The ref cannot overule the TJ on matters of touch

I don’t think that’s true is it surely the ref has final say on all decisions. Either way that wasn’t my point which was that the Refs explanation to the players showed he didn’t know the rules which is more worrying than the touchie having a brain fart. 

[The Blues Ox]

21 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

The correct interpretation was carried out immediately following the red card to save savelio. Leigh kicked to touch and the Huddersfield player stood in the field of play reach out and tipped it back from over the line. It was correctly waved play on. The ball is live until its either landed outside the field of play.

Can you point me to the rule that covers it? Like I say it seems to be different for things like kicking off and kicking to goal so why would it be different for kicking to touch when its the same principal.

[Impartial Observer]

1 hour ago, bobbruce said:

I don’t think that’s true is it surely the ref has final say on all decisions. Either way that wasn’t my point which was that the Refs explanation to the players showed he didn’t know the rules which is more worrying than the touchie having a brain fart. 

No he doesnt have the final say on timekeeping when there is a timekeeper, video ref decisions, kicks at goal etc , this from the laws about kicks at goal         It there is no disagreement between the Touch Judges their decision shall be accepted. In the event of disagreement, the Referee shall decide.

I didnt hear what was said as I had the sound down, I will listen to it

[Impartial Observer]

1 hour ago, The Blues Ox said:

Can you point me to the rule that covers it? Like I say it seems to be different for things like kicking off and kicking to goal so why would it be different for kicking to touch when its the same principal.

The ball is in touch when it or a player in contact with it touches the touch line or the ground beyond the touch line or any object on or outside the touch line except when a player, tackled in the field of play, steps into touch as they regain their feet in which