Fri 6th Sept: SL: Wigan Warriors v Hull KR KO 20:00 (Sky)

[Harry Stottle]

2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

If a player is not capable of regaining their feet to play the ball after head contact then surely they have to leave the field for a HAI.

How on earth can a medical professional leave them on the field in that circumstance. 

If there comes about a mandatory HIA for players staying down in head tackle situations just watch them start to dry up, players will not be playing for free kicks, sin binings etc, you wanna bet @Dave T

[Damien]

1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

Made a difference and turned the tide of the game, though.

I know. I don't think I've ever seen anyone get the man of the match for 14 mins before.

Edited September 6 by Damien

[Barca Mum]

8 minutes ago, Click said:

How do you know what the complaint was, were you the trainer?

I'm obviously not the trainer but the complaints from Wigan was high tackle . Think the game is getting spoilt by the delays so video ref can have a number of looks at it from 20 angles,I agree with the Sam Burgess interview this week game is getting spoilt 

[Futtocks]

2 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

If there comes about a mandatory HIA for players staying down in head tackle situations just watch them start to dry up, players will not be playing for free kicks, sin binings etc, you wanna bet @Dave T

You'll probably see injured players trying to play on.

[StandOffHalf]

12 minutes ago, Worzel said:

By the standards of Burgess sin bin, surely French gets sent there for sliding in and forcing Hall out of play?

I hear ya, but I don't think the movement ever stopped. It might have slowed, but I felt it was JUST ok.

[Damien]

I think Wigan still aren't firing as they were up until a couple of months ago. I think there is still a lot of improvement to come once we start clicking again. Hull KR I'm not so sure.

[Click]

1 minute ago, Barca Mum said:

I'm obviously not the trainer but the complaints from Wigan was high tackle . Think the game is getting spoilt by the delays so video ref can have a number of looks at it from 20 angles,I agree with the Sam Burgess interview this week game is getting spoilt 

The complaints from Wigan? You mean the fans screaming from the stands? 

We don't know what Miski and the trainer was talking about and why he was staying down. I have no surprise his neck would have been pretty hurt after he got crushed by Tanginoa's tackle. 

You are just assuming he stayed down because he was looking for high contact and he didn't have any.

[Trojan Horse]

6 minutes ago, Click said:

The fact the referee didn't blow his whistle immediately after Burgess joined the tackle, and waited the 3/4 seconds of him looking around before blowing his whistle would make me think that him just joining isn't the reason he got sinbinned.

But I’m positive the ref said you can’t join the tackle when it’s complete. I’m positive the ref literally said that. 
 

I’ve seen far longer lay on not penalised. 
 

That’s a separate point. You can’t just use that to make a wrong decision fit. My arguement is he was penalised for a flop/joining the tackle because it was complete when it clearly wasn’t. 
 

Anyway, games over so it’s fish and chip scrap paper now. 

Edited September 6 by Trojan Horse

[Harry Stottle]

1 minute ago, Futtocks said:

You'll probably see injured players trying to play on.

You will also see player's who have gone for the Oscar, staying on.

[Damien]

4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

If there comes about a mandatory HIA for players staying down in head tackle situations just watch them start to dry up, players will not be playing for free kicks, sin binings etc, you wanna bet @Dave T

Then people will start to moan that it is being used for a free interchange. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Click]

Just now, Trojan Horse said:

But I’m positive the ref said you can’t join the tackle when it’s complete. I’m positive the ref literally said that. 
 

I’ve seen far longer lay on not penalised. 
 

That’s a separate point. My arguement is he was penalised for a flop/joining the tackle because it was complete when it clearly wasn’t. 
 

Anyway, games over so it’s fish and chip scrap paper now. 

And I am positive that he mentioned that Burgess flopped ontop of him, but he also mentioned that he laid on afterwards. I'll look for the replay at some point on Twitter to hear what the ref' actually said. But refs actions would suggest just the "flop" wasn't the single reason for the yellow.

[Worzel]

6 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

I hear ya, but I don't think the movement ever stopped. It might have slowed, but I felt it was JUST ok.

I think Hall was out, and it was fine. My only point is that the Burgess sin bin was a joke, and French joining that situation - legally - proves it. Exactly the same level of movement, exactly the same moment of an extra player joining the tackle. 

[Worzel]

19 minutes ago, Damien said:

The illegal play is the high tackle from Burgess. Don't do the high tackle, its as simple as that.

You’re taking about some other random event, no idea what. My comment related to a Tanginoa tackle. The Wigan player then stayed down, to force a video review. Fortunately the video ref saw nothing wrong, but it’s pathetic. 

[StandOffHalf]

19 minutes ago, Worzel said:

I’m genuinely delighted with that performance. Tonight Hull KR showed that to beat Wigan, the best side in the league, at their own ground, all we have to do is have 13 men against 13.

We absolutely battered the best team in the league when we had the same number of players on the pitch. Battered them. Matty Peet knows it, his players know it, and I just hope we can maintain this form and make it to the Grand Final for a rematch. 

What a time to be alive!! ️

KR fans should be proud of that. 13 on 13 they would have won IMO.

[Click]

5 minutes ago, Worzel said:

I think Hall was out, and it was fine. My only point is that the Burgess sin bin was a joke, and French joining that situation - legally - proves it. Exactly the same level of movement, exactly the same moment of an extra player joining the tackle. 

The situations aren't alike at all.

Field was tackled by Gildart, viewed by the ref with Burgess joining late and holding down after his momentum had stopped. All this happening after Wigan had broken through KR's defence and were on a "break"

Hall was still moving while French joined and he then went out of the field of play with no stopping of momentum. All of this happening after KR perhaps you could describe had a "semi-break"

"Exactly the same" ....

[Damien]

3 minutes ago, Worzel said:

You’re taking about some other random event, no idea what. My comment related to a Tanginoa tackle. The Wigan player then stayed down, to force a video review. Fortunately the video ref saw nothing wrong, but it’s pathetic. 

He stayed down because his head rocked back for goodness sake. I mean anyone without blinkers can see that.

[Damien]

8 minutes ago, Worzel said:

I think Hall was out, and it was fine. My only point is that the Burgess sin bin was a joke, and French joining that situation - legally - proves it. Exactly the same level of movement, exactly the same moment of an extra player joining the tackle. 

The situations couldn't have been more different. I can't believe you are trying to compare them.

[Click]

3 minutes ago, Worzel said:

You’re taking about some other random event, no idea what. My comment related to a Tanginoa tackle. The Wigan player then stayed down, to force a video review. Fortunately the video ref saw nothing wrong, but it’s pathetic. 

Perhaps you should blame Tanginoa for hitting him so hard? 

You are saying he stayed down to force a video review - Rather than have any possible thinking that perhaps Tanginoa absolutely smashed Miski and actually hurt him so he couldn't instantly get back to his feet.

We aren't watching robots, I know they play like it most of the time, but they do actually feel pain on occasion.

[Dunbar]

21 minutes ago, Dave T said:

We have to allow pro's to do their job I suppose. My assumption (could be wrong) is that an initial assessment will be done on the pitch?

I personally believe that some players are staying down after feeling contact with the head when they are capable of playing the ball in order to give the video ref time to review the tackle.  Many ex players are saying the same thing (again in commentary tonight).

But I am prepared to accept your argument that it is a brutal game and these tackles hurt so we should assume they are genuine.

But you can't have it both ways.  If they are hurt, and unable to regain their feet to play the ball then they must leave the field for a HIA, with all the focus on the long term effects of head injury, that is an absolute must.

The fact that players stay down after head contact, unable to play the ball and them rejoin the game seconds later after a penalty is awarded is wrong... either from my viewpoint or yours.

[Damien]

1 minute ago, Click said:

The situations aren't alike at all.

Field was tackled by Gildart, viewed by the ref with Burgess joining late and holding down after his momentum had stopped. All this happening after Wigan had broken through KR's defence and were on a "break"

Hall was still moving while French joined and he then went out of the field of play with no stopping of momentum. All of this happening after KR perhaps you could describe had a "semi-break"

"Exactly the same" ....

The Burgess one is the kind of sin bin that we see numerous times a season. It was pretty clear cut.

[bratman]

2 minutes ago, StandOffHalf said:

KR fans should be proud of that. 13 on 13 they would have won IMO.

Rovers were on top for large parts of the game, keep 13 on the pitch and they are more than capable. Hopefully bodes well for the playoffs...

[Click]

Just now, Damien said:

The Burgess one is the kind of sin bin that we see numerous times a season. It was pretty clear cut.

I thought it was pretty clear cut live as well. Seeing the replay - I can understand that Field's ball carrying arm didn't hit the ground when Gildart brought him down and they were sliding, but the tackle was clearly done and Field wasn't looking for an offload, etc. when Burgess joined.

[JohnM]

Had Hull KR won, they'd have deserved it. Wigan won, and they deserved it. Poor discipline from both sides. If HKR wanted to keep 13 players on the field, they should have kept to the rules. Ref was spot on throughout. 

Perhaps  calling players cheats should be classed with calling refs cheats.

[Click]

2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I personally believe that some players are staying down after feeling contact with the head when they are capable of playing the ball in order to give the video ref time to review the tackle.  Many ex players are saying the same thing (again in commentary tonight).

But I am prepared to accept your argument that it is a brutal game and these tackles hurt so we should assume they are genuine.

But you can't have it both ways.  If they are hurt, and unable to regain their feet to play the ball then they must leave the field for a HIA, with all the focus on the long term effects of head injury, that is an absolute must.

The fact that players stay down after head contact, unable to play the ball and them rejoin the game seconds later after a penalty is awarded is wrong... either from my viewpoint or yours.

I think this is where the NRL has it right in having independent doctors watching replays, etc. But Super League doesn't have the resources for that unfortunately. 

I think we have to also know why the player is staying down - The Dupree incident was obvious, he was holding his head, etc. but Miski just seemed hurt, it was the trainer that put his neck in a position to apply precaution. 

[Chris22]

If you start sending players for an automatic HIA when the defender is a card, that is no deterrent.

Player goes off, passes HIA immediately, team gains an extra sub.