Siva Tau ( Haka and other versions) time to ban them?

[Bearman]

When does a cultural ritual cross the line.

Yesterday the Samoan team performed their Siva Tau and I am sure the crowd enjoyed the spectacle.

The other team is expected to respect the ritual as it is THEIR culture.

However, did Gordon Chan Kum (GCK) cross the line by getting so close to Lewis ( ML) that contact with their heads resulted. ( I'm not saying who caused the head clash as because they were so close that either could have butted the other one..but, it GCk was that came so close that the incident occurred.)

I know it was just a tap but I'm sure that in a court of law or had it happened during the game it could be seen as an offence.

Surely it  behoves that guest person performing his ritual to make sure he does not put his host in the position where he is uncomfortable?

I don't want to be a killjoy but  I do feel that the whole palaver gives the " attacking" players a fillip whilst the "defenders " have to be passive. ( of course when the " defenders" have their own version they have the opportunity to do the same to the other lot. But the N. Hemisphere teams do not have their chance,,, BTW I am old enough to remember when EVEN the Australian RL team used to do a version of the Haka).

Am I alone in thinking that this incident was beyond the pale?

 At the very least the coaches need to have a word

[Dave T]

No. 

[northamptoncougar]

I loved it, I want more!!!!

[sam4731]

If players see the Siva Tau or any other ritual dance as a genuine intention of aggression, they want to have a word with themselves.

Yes, the intention is intimidation but in reality everyone involved knows that it's a ritual to display proud heritage.

It should be an honour to stare down those players and drink it in. I for one would be in awe in seeing it up that close.

Edited October 28 by sam4731

[StandOffHalf]

Adds a bit of passion and colour.

I quite liked Lewis and Chan Kum Tong head to head. Lewis looked into his soul and didn't shy away. I think you learn a bit about players in intense moments like that.

The respect was still there with the 'Let's Go' from Lewis.

Edited October 28 by StandOffHalf

[The 4 of Us]

Jeez. Differences and all that. It’s produced the sort of reaction RL craves for. No one got hurt and Mikey Lewis (who looked like the one sticking his head out beyond the line of England line) has cemented himself as a SL superstar, as well as all round little 5h!@ we all love to hate (as per previous thread).

[M j M]

10 minutes ago, Bearman said:

When does a cultural ritual cross the line.

Yesterday the Samoan team performed their Siva Tau and I am sure the crowd enjoyed the spectacle.

The other team is expected to respect the ritual as it is THEIR culture.

However, did Gordon Chan Kum (GCK) cross the line by getting so close to Lewis ( ML) that contact with their heads resulted. ( I'm not saying who caused the head clash as because they were so close that either could have butted the other one..but, it GCk was that came so close that the incident occurred.)

I know it was just a tap but I'm sure that in a court of law or had it happened during the game it could be seen as an offence.

Surely it  behoves that guest person performing his ritual to make sure he does not put his host in the position where he is uncomfortable?

I don't want to be a killjoy but  I do feel that the whole palaver gives the " attacking" players a fillip whilst the "defenders " have to be passive. ( of course when the " defenders" have their own version they have the opportunity to do the same to the other lot. But the N. Hemisphere teams do not have their chance,,, BTW I am old enough to remember when EVEN the Australian RL team used to do a version of the Haka).

Am I alone in thinking that this incident was beyond the pale?

 At the very least the coaches need to have a word

Is this you?

[doc]

Did you see Tonga v Samoa?  Why would you want to get shut of that?

 

[StandOffHalf]

Instagram

Lewis and GCKT post-game.

[Hopie]

Clickbait headline, weak aimless content, congratulations you just got hired by <INSERT NAME OF "NEWS" WEBSITE HERE>

[wilsontown]

I thought that was absolutely thrilling. You could imagine how it could go too far and kick off, but you deal with that rather than banning such a fantastic spectacle.

[Dave T]

 

 

[Coggo]

Which part of ‘war cry’ is hard to grasp?

[StandOffHalf]

Personally I'd probably prefer players not to get right up in the face of an opponent and scream like we see with Luai towards Welsby, but at the same time I do find the spectacle and passion a great way to get the heart beating for the contest.

So no, I think it's a positive to the game.

[JohnM]

Am I alone in thinking that this incident was beyond the pale?

Yes, it seems.

In fact, I was just about to post that having just watched that part of  the BBC coverage, we need a to splash that segment , a couple of minutes, all over social media, Facebook YouTube, Tiktok ...in fact everything, Our league, club web sites etc. The closing frames showing Michael Lewis head to head with the Samoan caller ard brilliant. 

Edited October 28 by JohnM

[LeytherRob]

Campaign to bring back this version of the Haka

 

[StandOffHalf]

2 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Am I alone in thinking that this incident was beyond the pale?

Yes, it seems.

On fact, I was just about to post that having just watched that part of  the BBC coverage, we need a to splash that segment , a couple of minutes, all over social media, Our league, club web sites etc. The closing frames showing Michael Lewis head to head with the Samoan caller ard brilliant.

First time I've heard him called 'Michael Lewis'. It sounds funny.

Edited October 28 by StandOffHalf

[JohnM]

1 minute ago, StandOffHalf said:

First time I've heard him called 'Michael Lewis'. It sounds funny.

I do it because it annoys his mum

  (I hope)

[StandOffHalf]

1 minute ago, LeytherRob said:

Campaign to bring back this version of the Haka

 

Looks like a Monty Python sketch compared to the ferocious, tightly choreographed numbers they put on now...

[Hopie]

34 minutes ago, Dave T said:

 

 

All those cameras and I've still not seen a video of the Samoan who had to be dragged away afterwards by a teammate.

20 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

Campaign to bring back this version of the Haka

 

I wonder if any of those guys let a Maori in their rugby club?

[EagleEyePie]

31 minutes ago, LeytherRob said:

Campaign to bring back this version of the Haka

 

 

[Dullish Mood]

No.

[Griff]

We should reply with a pre-match Morris dancing routine.

[Damien]

Absolutely not. I can't believe anyone would have watched the Siva Tau yesterday and would want to ban it.

[Sports Prophet]

11 minutes ago, Griff said:

We should reply with a pre-match Morris dancing routine.

More fitting if you did the YMCA I would have thought.