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#1 Wendall

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 01:53 PM

Think James Graham and Jon Wilkin's antics were the black mark on the Grand Final, behaving like Soccer players in backchatting to ref and disputing decisions endlessly.

Next season the refs have got to spell it out, any continuous backchat and its 10 mins in the sin bin. We are heading down a path like Soccer when players are starting to gang up and show no respect for the officials.

It needs eradicating from out game.



#2 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:04 PM

Totally agree.

Kevin Sinfield is one of the worst for it at the moment. In fact, most of the Leeds team are bad for it. There needs to be a rule (or an enforcement of a rule if there is one) that cuts this out. It's infuriating.
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#3 Mortis

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:05 PM

Indeed. Anyone apart from the captain should not be able to question or talk to the ref unless pointing out an injury. Just like in the amateur game. And then he should be referred to as"sir". Bring back some manners into our game and show the rest of the sporting world how to behave.
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#4 Padge

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:30 PM

One thing we don't see these days is teams being marched back 10.


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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:33 PM


I'll start by saying I think James Graham is a fantastic player,who has for the third year running been the forward who has gained most metres in SL. He would be a huge asset to any team he plays for, is not a dirty player and I'm pretty sure most fans on here wouldn't be too upset if he played for their own team.

However this backchatting to the ref for every decision he disagrees with, is an element creeping into his game which is both costly for the team and ugly to watch.
Opponents will have already taken notice that he's being rattled and will exploit it more often unless he can curb his temper. This is costing Saints in penalties conceded,and you could argue that whatever metres he makes going forward are nullified if he's giving metres away via the penalty count.

I hope the new coach can bring James back "online", and next year we see more of the old James Graham than the current angry one.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Padge @ Oct 3 2010, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One thing we don't see these days is teams being marched back 10.

Happened in one of the playoff games,can't remember which one though. But, it is ideed very rare these days.

Bring back Steve Ganson, that's what I say. He never stood for back chat from anyone. cool.gif
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Posted 03 October 2010 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE (Griff9of13 @ Oct 3 2010, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bring back Steve Ganson, that's what I say. He never stood for back chat from anyone. cool.gif

Isn't that what got him in trouble in the first place?! ohmy.gif unsure.gif

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#8 deluded pom?

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:18 PM

Graham should have seen where his team mates on the left of the field were when Sts kicked off just prior to his spat before mouthing off.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:20 PM

QUOTE (hindle xiii @ Oct 3 2010, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't that what got him in trouble in the first place?! ohmy.gif unsure.gif



Yeah but she was asking for it.

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#10 Bulletproof

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:26 PM

In this case I think we need better refereeing. It was a final and some of the decisions Graham was livid over he had every right to be. I'm not saying the referee was biased because he wasn't and that would detract from a comprehensive Wigan victory, but this really needs to be addressed. Possession is everything in Rugby League.

#11 shrek

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:27 PM

Happens at all levels of the game and its probably unfair to just single out the two players named in the thread title, we really don't need to see it, but its becoming more and more of a feature.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:33 PM

QUOTE (shrek @ Oct 3 2010, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Happens at all levels of the game and its probably unfair to just single out the two players named in the thread title, we really don't need to see it, but its becoming more and more of a feature.



agree its unfair to single out 2 players

Wellens is a jumped up little gimp as well.

it needs sorting now and the Ref is in charge, stamp it out now.

#13 Trojan

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Griff9of13 @ Oct 3 2010, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Happened in one of the playoff games,can't remember which one though. But, it is ideed very rare these days.

Bring back Steve Ganson, that's what I say. He never stood for back chat from anyone. cool.gif



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#14 deluded pom?

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 03:49 PM

QUOTE (Bulletproof @ Oct 3 2010, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In this case I think we need better refereeing. It was a final and some of the decisions Graham was livid over he had every right to be. I'm not saying the referee was biased because he wasn't and that would detract from a comprehensive Wigan victory, but this really needs to be addressed. Possession is everything in Rugby League.



Two or three Sts players were offside at the KO as they anticipated the short one. If the ref sees this then Graham has nothing to whinge about and Wigan have the vital possession.

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#15 JohnM

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 04:07 PM

QUOTE (Bulletproof @ Oct 3 2010, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
some of the decisions Graham was livid over he had every right to be.


No he didn't. He has to accept the refs decision.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE (JohnM @ Oct 3 2010, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No he didn't. He has to accept the refs decision.

He can be livid if he wants. But he has to keep it in his own head. Outwardly, accept the call and move on. IMO backchatting is a sign of weakness from a player.

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 05:13 PM



I emailed Mr Cummins at RFL headquarters about this some time ago. Not surprisingly I am still awaiting a reply.

Maybe they just don't care!!


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#18 Trojan

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (PC @ Oct 3 2010, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He can be livid if he wants. But he has to keep it in his own head. Outwardly, accept the call and move on. IMO backchatting is a sign of weakness from a player.


Perhaps referees would do well to remember Robin Whitfield and Jeff Grayshon.
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#19 Saint Billinge

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Wendall @ Oct 3 2010, 02:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Think James Graham and Jon Wilkin's antics were the black mark on the Grand Final, behaving like Soccer players in backchatting to ref and disputing decisions endlessly.

Next season the refs have got to spell it out, any continuous backchat and its 10 mins in the sin bin. We are heading down a path like Soccer when players are starting to gang up and show no respect for the officials.

It needs eradicating from out game.


First of all, I agree something needs to be done.That said, you always let yourself down by targeing the same players. rolleyes.gif

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#20 Stan Doffarf

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Posted 03 October 2010 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Trojan @ Oct 3 2010, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps referees would do well to remember Robin Whitfield and Jeff Grayshon.


Nobody wants to remember Robin Whitfield.

Not to excuse Jeff but Whitfield's performance that day was surely the worst in the history of the game.
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