Englands next coach

[Lowdesert]

Who is going to be England's next coach?  Might sound a bit previous but WBs tenure was for two years and given the hard time he's getting through the media in Oz, for various reasons, coaching England might be less harassment.  He could continue.

But, if not, we need succession to carry on the programme.  Is Betts in the driving seat?  Anderson has more experience than either Wellens or Scully, but is he really in with a shout?  

Could we be heading for an RFL announcement of Shaun Wane, McDermott or Powell and then the strategy changes all over again?  Wane or Powell for me and they need to be involved in some way now.  

[Wellsy4HullFC]

I doubt we'll be heading anything for a long time as it would likely affect the World Cup performed performance.

[steef]

Powell must be the next coach for me. He seems to be a coach that can get more from his players and he plays a good style. Wane would be my next choice but I think his style of rugby might not be as effective against top international opposition as Powells would be. After those two money of the candidates fill me with confidence. Ian watson at Salford seems to be doing OK but needs to keep improving his salford side to be a serious contender. 

[Ash Hope]

Any of the current people involved. Denis Betts. Paul Anderson. Kevin Sinfield. Jamie Peacock. Paul Wellens. Paul Sculthorpe. That core group together are very good. The man at the top is merely a figurehead for the work that goes on the ground.

[Tre Cool]

Powell or Wane are the obvious ones. Both capable of getting more than expected out of a squad of players and good motivators too.

[Trojan]

Darryl Powell must be the one.  When he came to Fev we were struggling and we won the comp. three years running and would have been promoted had it not been for licencing. Plus of course we knocked Cas out of the cup and gave a good account of ourselves in the next round v Wigan  He (reluctantly IIRC) went to a struggling Cas in 2013 they were struggling.  Not only has he saved them, he's taken them to the top on limited resources.  He has to be the man.  If it were me I'd appoint him now, if only to get him away from Cas!

[Wellsy4HullFC]

36 minutes ago, Trojan said:

Darryl Powell must be the one.  When he came to Fev we were struggling and we won the comp. three years running and would have been promoted had it not been for licencing. Plus of course we knocked Cas out of the cup and gave a good account of ourselves in the next round v Wigan  He (reluctantly IIRC) went to a struggling Cas in 2013 they were struggling.  Not only has he saved them, he's taken them to the top on limited resources.  He has to be the man.  If it were me I'd appoint him now, if only to get him away from Cas!

Why would he have to leave Cas? Bennett hasn't left Brisbane.

Get him signed up after regardless.

[Lowdesert]

2 hours ago, Ash Hope said:

Any of the current people involved. Denis Betts. Paul Anderson. Kevin Sinfield. Jamie Peacock. Paul Wellens. Paul Sculthorpe. That core group together are very good. The man at the top is merely a figurehead for the work that goes on the ground.

Eh?  Who do you think manages those on the ground Ash?

I agree, the core group are good, but WB is not a young man and not the England future imo.  Sure he's a great coach an hopefully can do the business in the WC, but can we see anyone of them getting in before Dennis?  Surely Wane, Powell or even Tony Smith.

[Futtocks]

So we have one of the most successful club/representative coaches in history just getting established in the job, and we're already talking about replacing him?

[Lowdesert]

1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said:

Why would he have to leave Cas? Bennett hasn't left Brisbane.

Get him signed up after regardless.

For continuity and successful succession, the new coach needs to be involved, in some way, now.  Does the present situation mean Dennis is nailed on?  He's good, but is he the best?  Not for me.

[Ash Hope]

1 hour ago, Saint 1 said:

Four of those have never even been a head coach at Super League level and you want them to be an international head coach? What makes you think they're remotely qualified? 

I'd probably go for Betts but keep them on board. And I think being involved in a national set-up is more appropriate qualification to coach England than being a Super League coach. Different landscape.

20 minutes ago, Lowdesert said:

Eh?  Who do you think manages those on the ground Ash?

I agree, the core group are good, but WB is not a young man and not the England future imo.  Sure he's a great coach an hopefully can do the business in the WC, but can we see anyone of them getting in before Dennis?  Surely Wane, Powell or even Tony Smith.

Bennett is hardly a man manager. I''d say Betts should be next and that group should learn their trade. If you look at Bennett, Sheens, Stuart. All the great Aussie national coaches. They all had one thing in common. They all coached rep footy before then with Queensland or whoever. They knew what it takes to win 1 game after being together a week. That's quite a skill. Super League coaches wouldn't bring that immediacy. But the blokes who are involved, who yes, have 0 qualification at Super League level. Would have seen that happen. The short process. If you bring in a Super League coach it's a bit of an alien entity and I feel a step back. Hence, why I feel the RFL have got Bennett in to work with this group, so he can show them how to win a game hopefully in the space of a couple of week. If these aren't the future bringing Bennett is was a waste of time.

[Lowdesert]

1 hour ago, Ash Hope said:

I'd probably go for Betts but keep them on board. And I think being involved in a national set-up is more appropriate qualification to coach England than being a Super League coach. Different landscape.

Bennett is hardly a man manager. I''d say Betts should be next and that group should learn their trade. If you look at Bennett, Sheens, Stuart. All the great Aussie national coaches. They all had one thing in common. They all coached rep footy before then with Queensland or whoever. They knew what it takes to win 1 game after being together a week. That's quite a skill. Super League coaches wouldn't bring that immediacy. But the blokes who are involved, who yes, have 0 qualification at Super League level. Would have seen that happen. The short process. If you bring in a Super League coach it's a bit of an alien entity and I feel a step back. Hence, why I feel the RFL have got Bennett in to work with this group, so he can show them how to win a game hopefully in the space of a couple of week. If these aren't the future bringing Bennett is was a waste of time.

Flaberghasted that you don't think he's a man manager Ash.  You don't honestly think he blows the balls up, sets the cones out and runs all the defence, kicking, attack, conditioning himself do you?  Maybe he'll have to cut back on his media work.

WB had England a week before France and then some more before Tri Nations.  

[JohnM]

9 hours ago, steef said:

Powell must be the next coach for me. He seems to be a coach that can get more from his players and he plays a good style. Wane would be my next choice but I think his style of rugby might not be as effective against top international opposition as Powells would be. After those two money of the candidates fill me with confidence. Ian watson at Salford seems to be doing OK but needs to keep improving his salford side to be a serious contender. 

Neither of them in my view. Both doing well where they are. England coaches  job is s poisoned chalice. As soon as one of thrm becomes England coach,  the naysayers will have it in for them. 

[roughyedspud]

Daryl Powell,part time,with his coaching staff...With kev sinfield remaining as director of rugby...We also need to bring back the England knights asap

[Oxford]

In a perfect situation I would keep that team in place but a Darryl Powell and Ian Watson tandem would be my choice, I think they have similar outlooks and produce teams more likely to ask questions of southern hemisphere sides rather trying to beat them in their heavily one sided game of attrition.

But then again I'd have a lot more specialised coaching people for position specific roles.

[Lowdesert]

1 hour ago, Oxford said:

In a perfect situation I would keep that team in place but a Darryl Powell and Ian Watson tandem would be my choice, I think they have similar outlooks and produce teams more likely to ask questions of southern hemisphere sides rather trying to beat them in their heavily one sided game of attrition.

But then again I'd have a lot more specialised coaching people for position specific roles.

Certainly we need continual input into putting what we do best in SL into the international games.  I would buy every poster on here a beer if we could get our kicking game together at international level.

 

[Henson Park Old Firm]

Whats Sven Goran Erickson doing now?

[MatthewWoody]

Have we already given up with WB? 

[MatthewWoody]

1 hour ago, Lowdesert said:

Certainly we need continual input into putting what we do best in SL into the international games.  I would buy every poster on here a beer if we could get our kicking game together at international level.

 

GW seems in the form of his life....

[Allora]

5 hours ago, MatthewWoody said:

Have we already given up with WB? 

Wayne Bennett seemed like a good option on paper.

The reality is he has been under fire for several years in the NRL.

His track record has been good in the past but he has always had great players in his team and for much of his success a large one team City following and urging him on.

When has he done much with average teams........

England needs and England based Coach IMO.

 

[MatthewWoody]

6 minutes ago, Allora said:

 

England needs and England based Coach IMO.

 

They had some.

I'd still think they need a quality head coach, regardless of where he's based.

 

[Lowdesert]

1 hour ago, Allora said:

Wayne Bennett seemed like a good option on paper.

The reality is he has been under fire for several years in the NRL.

His track record has been good in the past but he has always had great players in his team and for much of his success a large one team City following and urging him on.

When has he done much with average teams........

England needs and England based Coach IMO.

 

Wood recently said he is speaking with WB.  With one thing and another I can't see him going past his contract with England.  I hope he does, but can't see it.

DB has done well with Widnes, but I would have Wane.  Capture him before he ends up in the NRL.

[MatthewWoody]

1 hour ago, Lowdesert said:

 

DB has done well with Widnes, but I would have Wane.  Capture him before he ends up in the NRL.

Or let him, as having an English coach working and hopefully having success Down Under would benefit the English game (Aussies would call other coaches etc.).

Having them there and then back in England would bring something new. 

[DavidM]

Wayne Bennett can't do it then no one can . The players need to be good enough and stand up and perform consistently themselves . I'd put the focus on them 

[Man of Kent]

Isn't Bennett's job essentially to say 'You're great players' over and over again?