Tongs ya bas Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 28 minutes ago, Padge said: As I keep saying Craft is meaningless, it's become a marketing slogan. It is the "Home Made" of the brewing industry. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tongs ya bas Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 25 minutes ago, chuffer said: yeh sorry I probably didn't put that point across well. I don't think all independent breweries taste the same. Some are great and definitely pre-date the craft fad, I hold Sam Smiths in that regard which is in stark contrast to its next door neighbour john smiths in tadcaster (owned by Scottish and Newcastle or Heineken now maybe) which churn out bland, mass-produced cack for several brands such as Kronenbourg, fosters, john smiths, Heineken etc). But I think the craft beer fad has turned lots of drinkers toward breweries like Sam smiths, me and my mates are big fans whereas we may not have necessarily "discovered" it had there not been an explosion in decent beer which has educated us a bit more. You could perhaps attribute that to the increase of the "craft" beer thing, dunno....we didnt intend to get on any bandwagon but I appreciate the resulting variety and range of stuff that's out there now....i will walk straight out of a pub if all you can see on tap is fosters, Guinness, tetleys/worthys, strongbow and stella...if they do bass or pedigree then maybe I'll stay but now now I'm looking for stuff I've never tasted before Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Padge said: As I keep saying Craft is meaningless, it's become a marketing slogan. It is the "Home Made" of the brewing industry. It is the "artisan" of the brewing industry. A term applied to all sorts of products; some good, some bad, some average. A small independent brewery should, in theory, take risks and try new ideas that an industry behemoth could afford to... but usually doesn't. However, what it usually means is "Oh Christ, not another IPA!" Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 25 minutes ago, Futtocks said: It is the "artisan" of the brewing industry. A term applied to all sorts of products; some good, some bad, some average. A small independent brewery should, in theory, take risks and try new ideas that an industry behemoth could afford to... but usually doesn't. However, what it usually means is "Oh Christ, not another IPA!" you're right and if I was starting up a new brewery I would be loathe to push yet another IPA for that very reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 7 hours ago, chuffer said: you're right and if I was starting up a new brewery I would be loathe to push yet another IPA for that very reason If you were thinking in terms of the market, you would not be setting up as a micro-brewery. That is not really a commercial decision. If you just happen to have the equipment lying around, then there is a market for the IPA and it is easy to make and easy to cover up mistakes. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun mc Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 The small brewers will generally start with basic brews though - blonde ale, amber ale, dark ale, porter until they get used to brewing - what works and what doesn't, the capabilities of the kit they have etc. They will waste less developing their take on the basic styles of beer. They will also be well down the pecking order in terms of access to the best malt and hops. And then they have to get someone to buy it. Once established then there's more development of different brews. No-one makes a rhubarb saison with motueka hops as their first one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Speaking of Saison, I have just been to Crete and we found a small bar that was selling a local brewed Saison at 6.5% and a local IPA at 10%. It isn't just the usual suspect nations that have taken the new trend for micro-brewing to heart. By the way both were very nice. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longboard Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 12 hours ago, Futtocks said: It is the "artisan" of the brewing industry. A term applied to all sorts of products; some good, some bad, some average. A small independent brewery should, in theory, take risks and try new ideas that an industry behemoth could afford to... but usually doesn't. However, what it usually means is "Oh Christ, not another IPA!" I saw a beer recently advertised in a hostelry as "artisan craft ale." Jasus. I asked the bar man if it was low calorie, ethically sourced and organic. He said he'd have to ask the manager. I said that I was only joking. He didn't get it. He looked at me as if I was some kind of header. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Padge said: Speaking of Saison, I have just been to Crete and we found a small bar that was selling a local brewed Saison at 6.5% and a local IPA at 10%. It isn't just the usual suspect nations that have taken the new trend for micro-brewing to heart. By the way both were very nice. Denmark and the USA both jumped onto craft beer with great eagerness. In both cases, the existing beer and alcohol market was pretty dire (beer culture utterly dominated by bland macro-pilsner), while there was plenty of wealth around. Of course, now that they have a reasonable scene, they both think they are the best in the world. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Is there a craft beer scene in Australia? Surely it can't be hard to improve on the mainstream stuff there. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Futtocks said: Is there a craft beer scene in Australia? Surely it can't be hard to improve on the mainstream stuff there. Yes there is, quite small but growing according to my mate who lives in Hobart Tasmania. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Futtocks said: Is there a craft beer scene in Australia? Surely it can't be hard to improve on the mainstream stuff there. Ireland and Australia seem to be two beer drinking nations where large commercial breweries have managed to maintain a strong hold. The craft ale scene is growing in both, but not as much as Denmark or the USA, perhaps because the beer scene was not as dire as either of those two. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tongs ya bas Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, Bob8 said: Ireland and Australia seem to be two beer drinking nations where large commercial breweries have managed to maintain a strong hold. The craft ale scene is growing in both, but not as much as Denmark or the USA, perhaps because the beer scene was not as dire as either of those two. When I was in New York and Washington a couple of years ago I was surprised by the variety and quality of beers available. I never saw Budweiser or any of the others on sale in any of the many bars I visited. Maybe I just got lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, Tongs ya bas said: When I was in New York and Washington a couple of years ago I was surprised by the variety and quality of beers available. I never saw Budweiser or any of the others on sale in any of the many bars I visited. Maybe I just got lucky. That is actually quite representative for such metropolitan areas. It is hard to exaggerate how bed the mass American beer actually is. I will drink a Stella or Carlsberg, but spat out one of two of the mass American beers. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Bob8 said: That is actually quite representative for such metropolitan areas. It is hard to exaggerate how bed the mass American beer actually is. I will drink a Stella or Carlsberg, but spat out one of two of the mass American beers. Get Some Pabat Blue Riband... i'm a hipster... With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: Get Some Pabat Blue Riband... i'm a hipster... I took one swig. It was not good. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Bob8 said: I took one swig. It was not good. But cheap and nice cans. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Just now, Bedford Roughyed said: But cheap and nice cans. If I had any, I would give them to you. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 I'm sure one of our resident class warriors will be along soon with a claim that this is miles better than "all that expensive poncey stuff". Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 18 hours ago, Bob8 said: That is actually quite representative for such metropolitan areas. It is hard to exaggerate how bed the mass American beer actually is. I will drink a Stella or Carlsberg, but spat out one of two of the mass American beers. Old Style - you have to drink it if you're a Chicago Cubs fan - is up there with the worst things I have ever willingly put in my mouth. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 22 hours ago, Bob8 said: Denmark and the USA both jumped onto craft beer with great eagerness. In both cases, the existing beer and alcohol market was pretty dire (beer culture utterly dominated by bland macro-pilsner), while there was plenty of wealth around. Of course, now that they have a reasonable scene, they both think they are the best in the world. I had some of these in Denmark http://www.wunschdesign.dk/projects/ask-beer/ It cost so much I cried but some very nice beer. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullman Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 22 hours ago, Futtocks said: Is there a craft beer scene in Australia? Surely it can't be hard to improve on the mainstream stuff there. We had some really good quality beers from breweries I'd never heard of when we were in Queensland. Can't for the life of me remember the names of the beers or breweries though. "I'm from a fishing family. Trawlermen are like pirates with biscuits." - Lucy Beaumont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullman Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Futtocks said: I'm sure one of our resident class warriors will be along soon with a claim that this is miles better than "all that expensive poncey stuff". If you asked me to pick one beer as the worst I have ever tasted, that would be the one. "I'm from a fishing family. Trawlermen are like pirates with biscuits." - Lucy Beaumont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Futtocks said: I'm sure one of our resident class warriors will be along soon with a claim that this is miles better than "all that expensive poncey stuff". Ahhh memories of being sent to the beer off for a can cos I was the taĺlest and looked the eldest. Bloody horrible gassy pre-widgit sheeite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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