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Given the way Brexit is looking, I'd guess HMRC will be hiring in quantity now or at least soon.

"We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato."  Don Estelle

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15 hours ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

What gets me as well is all these websites you have to create an account with them. So many different companies must have my details and I never plan on applying to another job with them. I'm not really in favour of giving loads of details to tons of companies and having accounts with them when I'm only ever planning on visiting their website once.

Most employers have a data retention policy that means they delete that kind of information within a certain period of time, to comply with laws about only holding personal data that is actually needed. Big corporates generally won't even have a record that you've applied to them previously if there's a gap of more than about a year.

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2 hours ago, JonM said:

Most employers have a data retention policy that means they delete that kind of information within a certain period of time, to comply with laws about only holding personal data that is actually needed. Big corporates generally won't even have a record that you've applied to them previously if there's a gap of more than about a year.

Fair enough, I'm just very conscious about security when online. 

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So I am considering changing jobs after many years at my current employer and am well out of the loop. Essentially I work in I.T and my current role is becoming a bit of a dead end for what I want to do. The extent of me looking so far is joining LinkedIn and seeing what happens, passively looking people seem to call it.

This though has led to a number of recruiters getting in touch and the upshot of this is that a company wants to speak to me informally via teams. This pretty much like a two way sounding out between me and some sort of tech lead to see if I am up to scratch tech wise before anything more formal. I suppose the first question is as its informal what would you be expected to wear? What kind of things of things may he ask even though its informal? What should I be asking? Are there any major things not to do?

With my current employer every internal interview I have had has been competency based so any external interviews will be a different kettle of fish. Even the conversations with recruiters so far have been quite different with completely different sorts of questions I am used to.

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3 minutes ago, Damien said:

So I am considering changing jobs after many years at my current employer and am well out of the loop. Essentially I work in I.T and my current role is becoming a bit of a dead end for what I want to do. The extent of me looking so far is joining LinkedIn and seeing what happens, passively looking people seem to call it.

This though has led to a number of recruiters getting in touch and the upshot of this is that a company wants to speak to me informally via teams. This pretty much like a two way sounding out between me and some sort of tech lead to see if I am up to scratch tech wise before anything more formal. I suppose the first question is as its informal what would you be expected to wear? What kind of things of things may he ask even though its informal? What should I be asking? Are there any major things not to do?

With my current employer every internal interview I have had has been competency based so any external interviews will be a different kettle of fish. Even the conversations with recruiters so far have been quite different with completely different sorts of questions I am used to.

I would suggest you wear a shirt and have a jacket handy. That is easy to do. When I have client meetings, I simply put on a jacket.

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13 minutes ago, Damien said:

So I am considering changing jobs after many years at my current employer and am well out of the loop. Essentially I work in I.T and my current role is becoming a bit of a dead end for what I want to do. The extent of me looking so far is joining LinkedIn and seeing what happens, passively looking people seem to call it.

This though has led to a number of recruiters getting in touch and the upshot of this is that a company wants to speak to me informally via teams. This pretty much like a two way sounding out between me and some sort of tech lead to see if I am up to scratch tech wise before anything more formal. I suppose the first question is as its informal what would you be expected to wear? What kind of things of things may he ask even though its informal? What should I be asking? Are there any major things not to do?

With my current employer every internal interview I have had has been competency based so any external interviews will be a different kettle of fish. Even the conversations with recruiters so far have been quite different with completely different sorts of questions I am used to.

What to wear? A suit looks too job-interviewish. An open-necked smart shirt is casual but not too casual. Like you're busy working, but willing to spare them some of your valuable time. They won't be able to see the bottom half, so I'd definitely stick with the patent leather arseless chaps.

Technique for something that isn't actually a job interview; research whoever they may be, but don't make it look like you have, Just throw in the occasional comment that "accidentally" reveals you know just a little bit about their line of work. As an "informal" chat, it will of course be absolutely nothing of the sort. Be prepared to look competent and somewhat interested, but not over-eager And don't say anything negative about your current situation. Quietly hint at being comfortable where you are, like they'll have to make you a good offer to leave your  job.

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

So I am considering changing jobs after many years at my current employer and am well out of the loop. Essentially I work in I.T and my current role is becoming a bit of a dead end for what I want to do. The extent of me looking so far is joining LinkedIn and seeing what happens, passively looking people seem to call it.

This though has led to a number of recruiters getting in touch and the upshot of this is that a company wants to speak to me informally via teams. This pretty much like a two way sounding out between me and some sort of tech lead to see if I am up to scratch tech wise before anything more formal. I suppose the first question is as its informal what would you be expected to wear? What kind of things of things may he ask even though its informal? What should I be asking? Are there any major things not to do?

With my current employer every internal interview I have had has been competency based so any external interviews will be a different kettle of fish. Even the conversations with recruiters so far have been quite different with completely different sorts of questions I am used to.

I got my current role in an informal interview, despite it being a large organisation. 

The interviewer said she had looked for enthusiasm most of all. 

They were also looking for someone who would fit well personality wise into the team. 

Good luck Damien. 

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9 hours ago, Futtocks said:

What to wear? A suit looks too job-interviewish. An open-necked smart shirt is casual but not too casual. Like you're busy working, but willing to spare them some of your valuable time. They won't be able to see the bottom half, so I'd definitely stick with the patent leather arseless chaps.

Technique for something that isn't actually a job interview; research whoever they may be, but don't make it look like you have, Just throw in the occasional comment that "accidentally" reveals you know just a little bit about their line of work. As an "informal" chat, it will of course be absolutely nothing of the sort. Be prepared to look competent and somewhat interested, but not over-eager And don't say anything negative about your current situation. Quietly hint at being comfortable where you are, like they'll have to make you a good offer to leave your  job.

Some great tips there Futtocks.

This company is a big American company, not yet based here but is recruiting for when they open in a few months. Even if this job isn't suitable there is apparently a talent pool where other roles may be suitable instead.

Yes read a few times about not saying anything negative about my current situation. I'm just going to focus on the I.T aspect i.e want to do more cutting edge I.T than my current role, outgrown where I currently am, want to work in a dedicated I.T company etc. All the truth really. It would have to be a good offer to leave as I have decent pay, good flexibility and decent t&c's. It's purely a move from a career development point of view.

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5 hours ago, Damien said:

Some great tips there Futtocks.

This company is a big American company, not yet based here but is recruiting for when they open in a few months. Even if this job isn't suitable there is apparently a talent pool where other roles may be suitable instead.

Yes read a few times about not saying anything negative about my current situation. I'm just going to focus on the I.T aspect i.e want to do more cutting edge I.T than my current role, outgrown where I currently am, want to work in a dedicated I.T company etc. All the truth really. It would have to be a good offer to leave as I have decent pay, good flexibility and decent t&c's. It's purely a move from a career development point of view.

Depending on your skillset, these are recruiting quite heavily with new jobs coming up all the time -

https://www.oneweb.world/careers

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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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On 17/11/2020 at 22:05, Futtocks said:

Be prepared to look competent and somewhat interested, but not over-eager And don't say anything negative about your current situation.

Like, "I'm desperate for a job, and I will even work for the trust that fired me, and reported me to the HPC back in 2015"?

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48 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Got a Microsoft Teams Interview for a Phlebotomist at my local hospital on 16.12.20. When I worked in theatres I was always pretty good at venous & arterial cannulations, lets see if I can still do it.

Good luck!

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51 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

Got a Microsoft Teams Interview for a Phlebotomist at my local hospital on 16.12.20. When I worked in theatres I was always pretty good at venous & arterial cannulations, lets see if I can still do it.

Bon chance ...

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1 hour ago, Bleep1673 said:

Got a Microsoft Teams Interview for a Phlebotomist at my local hospital on 16.12.20. When I worked in theatres I was always pretty good at venous & arterial cannulations, lets see if I can still do it.

Sincerely, from a Salfordian to a Swinetowner, "Good luck, mate!"

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4 hours ago, Bleep1673 said:

Got a Microsoft Teams Interview for a Phlebotomist at my local hospital on 16.12.20. When I worked in theatres I was always pretty good at venous & arterial cannulations, lets see if I can still do it.

Good luck.

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On 29/08/2019 at 11:34, Bleep1673 said:

I have (provisionally) been offered a job, packing extruded Plastic Products on Nights. 6pm-6am, 4 nights per week, NMW, it's a start back.

That lasted until March 2020, when Lockdown v1.0 happened, then I had an interview as a Phlebotomist (Blood-sucker), in December, now I have just completed the online application to work with the ONS as a Census Officer, stab-proof vest obligatory around here, I suppose.

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On 14/01/2021 at 21:48, Bleep1673 said:

That lasted until March 2020, when Lockdown v1.0 happened, then I had an interview as a Phlebotomist (Blood-sucker), in December, now I have just completed the online application to work with the ONS as a Census Officer, stab-proof vest obligatory around here, I suppose.

Got turned down because I dont have a car.

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In the run up to Christmas I had several temporary jobs. I saw one of them advertised again  on Indeed (where I saw it in the first place) and had to laugh. It's a bloody boring job but they were honest about that. They lied about progression though and said your wage goes up the more jobs you can do there. However I spoke with guys who had been there 10-15 years or more and could do everything - and they were still on minimum wage. Yet they felt important as they had worked there so long - a bit of Stockholm syndrome going on there I think. I did 4 weeks there.

These job descriptions can be total BS. 😆

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On 18/11/2020 at 08:12, Damien said:

Some great tips there Futtocks.

This company is a big American company, not yet based here but is recruiting for when they open in a few months. Even if this job isn't suitable there is apparently a talent pool where other roles may be suitable instead.

Yes read a few times about not saying anything negative about my current situation. I'm just going to focus on the I.T aspect i.e want to do more cutting edge I.T than my current role, outgrown where I currently am, want to work in a dedicated I.T company etc. All the truth really. It would have to be a good offer to leave as I have decent pay, good flexibility and decent t&c's. It's purely a move from a career development point of view.

What is your skill set and where do you want to be Damien?

I have been in the IT skills sector for a long time and seen many of the new techs and venders 'hot' at one time or another. 

For example, these days, I am working a lot with Google on their new certification around Google Cloud Platform and how they are seeding the market with a lot of funded training.  Clearly AWS and Azure are slightly ahead of the game but Google are catching up fast and with their focus on Data and Machine Learning (as well as containerized Apps) I can see them really leading on the cloud innovation moving forward.

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2 hours ago, Dunbar said:

What is your skill set and where do you want to be Damien?

I have been in the IT skills sector for a long time and seen many of the new techs and venders 'hot' at one time or another. 

For example, these days, I am working a lot with Google on their new certification around Google Cloud Platform and how they are seeding the market with a lot of funded training.  Clearly AWS and Azure are slightly ahead of the game but Google are catching up fast and with their focus on Data and Machine Learning (as well as containerized Apps) I can see them really leading on the cloud innovation moving forward.

I've worked in Cyber Security the last couple of years and from a jobs point of view want to stay in it as it is booming at the moment, at least where I am. Its enjoyable and varied too. I'm actually in the interview process for a couple of more roles since I posted that too. Saying that I worked on the infrastructure side for years and with servers in particular and enjoy that too but the pay and opportunities aren't the same. I've done some DEV and SQL stuff too but don't consider myself a natural coder.

Funnily enough I passed the Azure Fundamentals exam recently to build a bit of knowledge in that field and bolster my CV a bit when it came to opportunities as we are all on prem. The cloud stuff isn't really a giant leap when you have a server background and worked with VMWare etc. Its all a bit of a catch 22 moving fully into that area though, when you are coming from an on prem organisation, as you need the experience and cant build the experience. To do that at a lower level would certainly involve a pay cut. 

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8 minutes ago, Damien said:

I've worked in Cyber Security the last couple of years and from a jobs point of view want to stay in it as it is booming at the moment, at least where I am. Its enjoyable and varied too. I'm actually in the interview process for a couple of more roles since I posted that too. Saying that I worked on the infrastructure side for years and with servers in particular and enjoy that too but the pay and opportunities aren't the same. I've done some DEV and SQL stuff too but don't consider myself a natural coder.

Funnily enough I passed the Azure Fundamentals exam recently to build a bit of knowledge in that field and bolster my CV a bit when it came to opportunities as we are all on prem. The cloud stuff isn't really a giant leap when you have a server background and worked with VMWare etc. Its all a bit of a catch 22 moving fully into that area though, when you are coming from an on prem organisation, as you need the experience and cant build the experience. To do that at a lower level would certainly involve a pay cut. 

Good stuff and good luck with the interviews.

As you say, Cyber is booming and it won't be going away anytime soon.

I used to be a techie, I was an MS guy and used to do the Windows/Exchange/ISA stuff.  Then I moved into the management side and was the Director of Training for the UK's biggest training company so I saw the VMware/Citrix virtualization stuff and then the move into the cloud (as well as DevOps and Agile coming to the fore).  But I had stopped doing the techie stuff by then and was just on the management end.

Funnily enough, I have just started going through the Google Cloud Fundamentals courses myself as I needed to get a bit more up to speed on how it works so I can use the right language in meetings but I won't be going any further than that as I am too old to learn new tricks now!

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25 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

Good stuff and good luck with the interviews.

As you say, Cyber is booming and it won't be going away anytime soon.

I used to be a techie, I was an MS guy and used to do the Windows/Exchange/ISA stuff.  Then I moved into the management side and was the Director of Training for the UK's biggest training company so I saw the VMware/Citrix virtualization stuff and then the move into the cloud (as well as DevOps and Agile coming to the fore).  But I had stopped doing the techie stuff by then and was just on the management end.

Funnily enough, I have just started going through the Google Cloud Fundamentals courses myself as I needed to get a bit more up to speed on how it works so I can use the right language in meetings but I won't be going any further than that as I am too old to learn new tricks now!

Very good. Where I am I am now I am now at the stage where I am being pushed more and more down the management route too. A lot of planning, project, writing business cases stuff.  I used to love the hands on stuff but don't get much chance to do it now, again part of the reason for leaving as a lot of roles pay more outside, some way more, and still seem to be more technical. One more promotion and it certainly would be pure management. That's part of the reason for looking at new opportunities before that happens as it would be hard to see myself leaving then.

The good thing about I.T is that you never stop learning. When one area dries up 2 or 3 more come on the scene. DevOps looks good too but like I say I don't feel the most comfortable coder, I certainly wouldn't want to risk leaving for that field. I have worked with contractors getting £400+ a day doing that and could never see myself competing in that space. The cloud stuff is huge and I suppose ideally if I left it would be a cyber sec role at a place with a big cloud component. Best of both worlds then.

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