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Loup

Loup

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2 hours ago, JohnM said:

she seems a nice girl.

Wonder if she's John Davidson's source? Even so, really poor form.


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Loup

Loup

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2 hours ago, POR said:

what's the difference paying rent for lamport in canada and paying rent in england ?

They pay peanuts for Lamport.

Loup

Loup

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2 hours ago, Agbrigg said:

Give over 🤣there is no way they could make that amount net from about 14 home games. Also from what I hear half the spectators get in the ground on freebies 

Oh mate, please. Wolfpack have enough issues worth discussing without you trotting out all the tired old tripe. What next, the time Barrow didn't get a packed lunch?

silverback

silverback

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5 minutes ago, Loup said:

Oh mate, please. Wolfpack have enough issues worth discussing without you trotting out all the tired old tripe. What next, the time Barrow didn't get a packed lunch?

Or the time  all our boys had to make there own way home from glasgow airport with work next morning,:kolobok_punish:Thanks.

Loup

Loup

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1 hour ago, Agbrigg said:

Well the tin pot club I support have also had to tell season ticket holders they can get a refund if they wish. Only 33 wanted their money back the other 2500/3000 have written it off to help out the club. Dedication or stupidity cal l it what you will. I wonder if you know what percentage of Wolfpack fans have decided to roll over their tickets. 

They only sent out the option two or three days ago and you have until mid-August to claim the refund. So no, my crystal ball she tell me nothing yet. From the season ticket holders I know personally, we are all rolling over.

Loup

Loup

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1 hour ago, Dave T said:

With what? 

And the obvious question is why couldn't TWP get any government support? 

 

1 hour ago, Dave T said:

That sort of goes into the answer yeah. 

They can't get Canadian support because.... the players are not Canadians and not eligible for the govt payment to those who have lost work through covid-19. Canadian-based non-playing staff however are eligible for Canadian govt payments.

They can't get UK support because.... the organization is registered in Canada and not eligible for the govt furlough payments.

 

Loup

Loup

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49 minutes ago, Agbrigg said:

 Unfortunately they had to be sacrificed  to allow Toronto to come up.

London came up to SL in 2019 after beating Toronto. Went down again at the end of the season. Toronto came up to SL in 2020 after beating Featherstone. In what way was London "sacrificed"?

Hela Wigmen

Hela Wigmen

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10 minutes ago, CanadianRugger said:

The players letting their feelings be known:

https://twitter.com/MccroneJoshua/status/1285320491415285765?s=20

There is a lot more background stuff we are not hearing.

He’s comparing two completely different organisations of two incredibly different sizes, he’s failing to acknowledge the cancellation of the NSW Cup and Queensland Cup, he’s failing to acknowledge any failings of the club and he’s put a weird dig in their about young English blokes going to Australia, apart from that he’s spot on. 

The British Lion

The British Lion

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This is horrendous news. Rugby League (The RFL / Super League) CONTINUOUSLY fail in new ventures with big futures. 

Crusaders

Gateshead - but pleased Newcastle are doing a great job in the aftermath.

Even London Crusaders/Broncos

Paris St Germain

and now ... Toronto, with so so much promise.

Yes, it's very strange times. But the 'value' to Toronto WP from our game is non existent. How does this speak to future investors??

Unbelievable. Im almost ready to give up on RL. The vision of the game is dire.

I love Warrington. But, do I want to watch Wire V M62 corridor club 3-5 times a year, with no meaningful internationals. No.

The games vision is killing my appetite for RL.

CanadianRugger

CanadianRugger

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Argyle speaks:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12177587/toronto-wolfpack-owner-david-argyle-wants-lessons-to-be-learned-from-their-withdrawal/#comments

DAVID Argyle admits Toronto Wolfpack’s future is out of their hands after they amazingly quit the 2020 Super League season as they fight a meltdown.

But the Canadian club’s owner has told the powers that be to let them know if they will stay in Super League sooner rather than later – and it would be a ‘travesty’ if their success is just thrown away.

He also feels the embarrassment of pulling out, of facing seven overseas players being ordered home because of visa issues and of wages being paid late could turn out to be a GOOD thing for rugby league.

For now both Super League and the Rugby Football League should learn exactly what it takes and what is needed for expansion teams, especially ones in the USA and Canada, to come in.

Argyle, who admitted it was his call to pull out, admitted: “It would be a travesty not to build on what we’ve achieved.

“Let’s get all the issues on the table and find out what it means to have an expansion side in a competitive North American market.

“We’ve got to address expansion teams in the competition, whether that’s in League One, Championship or Super League.

 

“The governing bodies need to look at how best to move forward. Expansion teams are expensive and time consuming, that needs to be addressed right up front.

“Participation of expansion clubs has to be discussed. Any financial issues, things like central distribution, have to be sorted.

“The NFL has been looking at getting an expansion team in the UK for a long time but they haven’t figured out how to do it yet.

“Toronto has been nothing short of fantastic but if the decision is that it’s not the right time or if things aren’t quite there, let us know now – sooner rather than later.

“Then it gives clarity to people that are with the club. We don’t want to take away opportunities players, coaches or support staff may have in front of them.

“But people in Canada love the sport and there are benefits. Let’s try and assess everything and figure out how we take things forward.

“I made the call but only after talking to financial investors and the on and off-field teams. I didn’t hide in a bubble and say, ‘It’s the right decision to pull out.’”

Toronto, who also withdrew from the last 16 of the Challenge Cup, made the call after players did not turn up for the first day of training because guarantees of when they would receive their last pay packet were not made.

But they have been guaranteed their wages for the remainder of the year, as have refunds for any match and season tickets already bought.

Toronto were meant to play Hull KR on August 2 but Super League will be an 11-team competition for the rest of the year.

The Wolfpack do want to be part of the top flight in 2021 and Argyle says the blame rests on his shoulders – and his only.

He added to SunSport: “Obviously it’s a critical juncture for the club, not playing for the remainder of the season."There are risks to the decision in the form of what if any action Super League will take with regards to our participation in 2021.

“They have to decide if they want Toronto Wolfpack involved going forward and I’d imagine Super League’s decision may come in the near-term.

“It’s their call. It’s challenging times but we’re not going to hide under a rock – it’s a combination of issues that have cascaded together but I take the responsibility, it’s completely with me.”

SunSport also understands players are being offered to other clubs, including ones they have recently signed or have signed for 2021.

Australian Josh McCrone had already headed home while Blake Wallace remains in Canada, where he has been for the whole of the Covid-19 shutdown, as the pressure built.

However, the axing of automatic promotion and relegation between the top tier and the Championship, which will not resume in 2020, may enable Brian McDermott’s men to start afresh in Super League in 2021.

Sunday saw Martin Vickers’ appointment as director of Toronto’s UK arm terminated but he is still working for the club.

A ‘very disappointed’ Super League and RFL warned the consequences for Toronto’s decision could be huge, after they were assured as recently as Thursday they will be OK.

They said: “The club’s decision is especially disappointing given the imminent restart of the season.

“A discussion around the longer term consequences and the future of the Wolfpack in Super League will commence shortly.”

 

The British Lion

The British Lion

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5 minutes ago, CanadianRugger said:

Argyle speaks:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/12177587/toronto-wolfpack-owner-david-argyle-wants-lessons-to-be-learned-from-their-withdrawal/#comments

DAVID Argyle admits Toronto Wolfpack’s future is out of their hands after they amazingly quit the 2020 Super League season as they fight a meltdown.

But the Canadian club’s owner has told the powers that be to let them know if they will stay in Super League sooner rather than later – and it would be a ‘travesty’ if their success is just thrown away.

He also feels the embarrassment of pulling out, of facing seven overseas players being ordered home because of visa issues and of wages being paid late could turn out to be a GOOD thing for rugby league.

For now both Super League and the Rugby Football League should learn exactly what it takes and what is needed for expansion teams, especially ones in the USA and Canada, to come in.

Argyle, who admitted it was his call to pull out, admitted: “It would be a travesty not to build on what we’ve achieved.

“Let’s get all the issues on the table and find out what it means to have an expansion side in a competitive North American market.

“We’ve got to address expansion teams in the competition, whether that’s in League One, Championship or Super League.

 

“The governing bodies need to look at how best to move forward. Expansion teams are expensive and time consuming, that needs to be addressed right up front.

“Participation of expansion clubs has to be discussed. Any financial issues, things like central distribution, have to be sorted.

“The NFL has been looking at getting an expansion team in the UK for a long time but they haven’t figured out how to do it yet.

“Toronto has been nothing short of fantastic but if the decision is that it’s not the right time or if things aren’t quite there, let us know now – sooner rather than later.

“Then it gives clarity to people that are with the club. We don’t want to take away opportunities players, coaches or support staff may have in front of them.

“But people in Canada love the sport and there are benefits. Let’s try and assess everything and figure out how we take things forward.

“I made the call but only after talking to financial investors and the on and off-field teams. I didn’t hide in a bubble and say, ‘It’s the right decision to pull out.’”

Toronto, who also withdrew from the last 16 of the Challenge Cup, made the call after players did not turn up for the first day of training because guarantees of when they would receive their last pay packet were not made.

But they have been guaranteed their wages for the remainder of the year, as have refunds for any match and season tickets already bought.

Toronto were meant to play Hull KR on August 2 but Super League will be an 11-team competition for the rest of the year.

The Wolfpack do want to be part of the top flight in 2021 and Argyle says the blame rests on his shoulders – and his only.

He added to SunSport: “Obviously it’s a critical juncture for the club, not playing for the remainder of the season."There are risks to the decision in the form of what if any action Super League will take with regards to our participation in 2021.

“They have to decide if they want Toronto Wolfpack involved going forward and I’d imagine Super League’s decision may come in the near-term.

“It’s their call. It’s challenging times but we’re not going to hide under a rock – it’s a combination of issues that have cascaded together but I take the responsibility, it’s completely with me.”

SunSport also understands players are being offered to other clubs, including ones they have recently signed or have signed for 2021.

Australian Josh McCrone had already headed home while Blake Wallace remains in Canada, where he has been for the whole of the Covid-19 shutdown, as the pressure built.

However, the axing of automatic promotion and relegation between the top tier and the Championship, which will not resume in 2020, may enable Brian McDermott’s men to start afresh in Super League in 2021.

Sunday saw Martin Vickers’ appointment as director of Toronto’s UK arm terminated but he is still working for the club.

A ‘very disappointed’ Super League and RFL warned the consequences for Toronto’s decision could be huge, after they were assured as recently as Thursday they will be OK.

They said: “The club’s decision is especially disappointing given the imminent restart of the season.

“A discussion around the longer term consequences and the future of the Wolfpack in Super League will commence shortly.”

 

Honestly. If RFL fail again in expansion teams, and vision (i appreciate its a hard time right now) I am done with RL regularly

 

Tommygilf

Tommygilf

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Can Toronto "do a Wigan athletic?" ie, take the hit but escape serious punishment due to an "exceptional circumstances" clause?

17 stone giant

17 stone giant

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I can understand and have some sympathy with many of the problems facing TWP - especially given the COVID situation - but I'm a bit confused at why players and other creditors are being paid late.

If there's money available to pay the players, it would seem strange not to do so when all you're doing is giving your critics another stick to beat you with.

It's not a good look to have players speaking to journalists and moaning about late salary payments etc.

Kayakman

Kayakman

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58 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:

Only a couple of weeks ago you were willing to wager TWP would be in SL next year, but it is not my style to kick a man while he is down🤫

OWWWW!  That left a bruise Harry....methinks you might be jumping the gun on this one Oldtimer!

CanadianRugger

CanadianRugger

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1 minute ago, Big Picture said:

His comments would seem to confirm that teams over here playing within the RFL domestic structure isn't a viable option.

 

You can read between the lines, basically says the present model doesn't work.  Super League could give them their TV funding which they should have received in the first place.  

 

Forty20 podcast makes some good points.  Basically the conditions the RFL and SL placed Toronto under were untenable.

clogdance

clogdance

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2 hours ago, JohnM said:

Yeah. Make them watch Fev V Leigh, Punishment enough for anyone.

Always a cracking game between those 2 teams, have you ever seen one ?

Chrispmartha

Chrispmartha

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11 minutes ago, 17 stone giant said:

I can understand and have some sympathy with many of the problems facing TWP - especially given the COVID situation - but I'm a bit confused at why players and other creditors are being paid late.

If there's money available to pay the players, it would seem strange not to do so when all you're doing is giving your critics another stick to beat you with.

It's not a good look to have players speaking to journalists and moaning about late salary payments etc.

Its also not a great look when one of their players is getting paid more per year than the whole club’s salary cap.

I wonder if Sonny Bill has got paid?

Kayakman

Kayakman

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Its all gonna work out...its all gonna work out....its all gonna work out!

TboneFromTO

TboneFromTO

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News about is rfl has confirmed that there is NO RELEGATION this year from super league 

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