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1 hour ago, Oxford said:

now I know where you spend your 

Don't tell him, Pike! ??

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Four legs good - two legs bad

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1 hour ago, Oxford said:

 Opinions are for elsewhere though as you point out.

Are you still sulking oxford? 

Get over thi sen..... you are better than this.. 

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5 minutes ago, JohnM said:

No he isn't. 

No, I'm not, at least I think so. What are we talking about?

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This is from the Daily Mail

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It's from an article about getting children back into school, but not once does it mention the Government guidelines, the physical make up of schools to work around this, nor does it make any reference to the adults in schools. The chances and probability involved may now be small like it says but I don't think that's relevant when you're the one, image.png.bf2bb54c19a6394f76ce4efd14156015.png in whatever the other number is.


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48 minutes ago, Bleep1673 said:

How Covid-19 has impacted on three English seaside towns, Yarmouth, Blackpool & HASTINGS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52924185

Hastings had the second-lowest rate of Covid-19 deaths in England and Wales in the six weeks to the middle of April, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/health/coronavirus/hastings-had-second-lowest-covid-19-death-rate-england-and-wales-figures-reveal-2669777


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Some posts removed. A bit distasteful rather than outrageous.


"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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2 hours ago, JohnM said:

Hastings had the second-lowest rate of Covid-19 deaths in England and Wales in the six weeks to the middle of April, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

https://www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/health/coronavirus/hastings-had-second-lowest-covid-19-death-rate-england-and-wales-figures-reveal-2669777

Because the unemployment rate is relatively high, the shops being closed & public transport up the creek, no one has bothered going out, apart from food shopping.


Sex and Money are like Oxygen

They're not important until you're not getting enough.

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Can't have it both ways. No one was supposed to go out.  


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1 hour ago, JohnM said:

Can't have it both ways. No one was supposed to go out.  

My personal view is that Hastings dodged a bullet because the weekends before lockdown were foul weatherwise - and then in the last one, nobody really travelled to here. Combine that with its comparative remoteness and lack of people just passing through and you have a reasonably low risk compared to many other places.


Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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Elsewhere on these boards I was mocked for suggesting that travel could have been a factor in the spreading of Covid 19 in the UK (thinking at the time about the February half term break).  Well, it appears that some scientists agree with me.  Specifically the Covid 19 Genomics consortium no less:

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[The researchers] found the UK's coronavirus epidemic did not have one origin - but at least 1,356 origins. On each of those occasions somebody brought the infection into the UK from abroad and the virus began to spread as a result.

"The surprising and exciting conclusion is that we found the UK epidemic has resulted from a very large number of separate importations," said Prof Nick Loman, from Cog-UK and the University of Birmingham.

"It wasn't a patient zero," he added.

The study showed that less than 0.1% of those imported cases came directly from China. Instead the UK's coronavirus epidemic was largely initiated by travel from Italy in late February, Spain in early-to-mid-March and then France in mid-to-late-March.

"The big surprise for us was how fluid the process was, the rate of and source of virus introduction shifted rapidly over the course of only a few weeks," said Prof Oliver Pybus, from the University of Oxford.

 

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28 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

Elsewhere on these boards I was mocked for suggesting that travel could have been a factor in the spreading of Covid 19 in the UK (thinking at the time about the February half term break).  Well, it appears that some scientists agree with me.  Specifically the Covid 19 Genomics consortium no less:

I can't imagine that's correct SL everyone has been aware that travel was one of the problems when it came to spreading Covid, probably just as crucial as footballl matches and race meetings. Do you think they might have given you the rounds of the kitchen for some other reason?


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57 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

Elsewhere on these boards I was mocked for suggesting that travel could have been a factor in the spreading of Covid 19 in the UK (thinking at the time about the February half term break).  Well, it appears that some scientists agree with me.  Specifically the Covid 19 Genomics consortium no less:

 

Well.....2 + 2 equals 4 surprisingly and there was only 1 person on this board who saw it

20,000 people per day were transiting from Spain and its now news?

And there wasn't a patient zero, or in your words a super-spreader, as was repeated

 

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5 minutes ago, shaun mc said:

Well.....2 + 2 equals 4 surprisingly and there was only 1 person on this board who saw it

20,000 people per day were transiting from Spain and its now news?

And there wasn't a patient zero, or in your words a super-spreader, as was repeated

 

There was a super spreader.  He even put his face in the papers.  There will have been a few of them I would imagine.  Other countries have had them too.  Scientists have been reporting of late that most of the devastation of this virus could be down to super spreaders and also super spreading events (not social events, but sickness spreading events) such as choirs, gyms and active dance classes - where people breathe deeply in enclosed spaces in close proximity to others.

What is news is that the scientists have found that this is how we first got the virus.  Other countries have been able to identify a patient zero: the first person to transmit the virus into the country.  We had over 1,000 of them in quick succession and very close to when we locked down.  But we have also had a high number of strains of the virus, as research released last week showed, which will be how the researchers in this study have been able to come to the conclusion they have because they have tracked those different strains to different countries as have been listed in the article.

 

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42 minutes ago, Oxford said:

I can't imagine that's correct SL everyone has been aware that travel was one of the problems when it came to spreading Covid, probably just as crucial as footballl matches and race meetings. Do you think they might have given you the rounds of the kitchen for some other reason?

Actually, as I remember it, Cheltenham and the Liverpool soccer match were supposed to be to blame.  In the article, the soccer match is pretty much dismissed as a spreading event.

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2 hours ago, Saintslass said:

Actually, as I remember it, Cheltenham and the Liverpool soccer match were supposed to be to blame.  In the article, the soccer match is pretty much dismissed as a spreading event.

There were lots of other sporting events and concerts and gatherings that were quoted at the time, as people were uncomfortable with them taking place. Including Super League games

Cheltenham got a lot of attention, because of the numbers involved. It was never going to be cancelled though, unlike the Irish Govt who put the health of its people first, by cancelling St Patricks Day celebrations.

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11 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

Actually, as I remember it, Cheltenham and the Liverpool soccer match were supposed to be to blame.  In the article, the soccer match is pretty much dismissed as a spreading event.

I would suspect (no evidence) a lot of the 1300 were from ski trips and a arge number of those kids on Easter ski trips to N.Italy who then had minimal symptoms and passed it on 

As soon as it was an obvious major danger all incoming flights form anywhere with a case should have been quarantined in a govt controlled space for 2 weeks  (not just the ones from china using my kids school coaches)

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5 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

I would suspect (no evidence) a lot of the 1300 were from ski trips and a arge number of those kids on Easter ski trips to N.Italy who then had minimal symptoms and passed it on 

As soon as it was an obvious major danger all incoming flights form anywhere with a case should have been quarantined for 2 week a (not just the ones from china using my kids school coaches)

Germany, Denmark and Austria (as examples) were in the same predicament as the UK, but with much higher numbers of potential infectious skiers coming back into their country. They didn't have the high infection and death rates

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10 minutes ago, shaun mc said:

Germany, Denmark and Austria (as examples) were in the same predicament as the UK, but with much higher numbers of potential infectious skiers coming back into their country. They didn't have the high infection and death rates

Without getting political - i believe they went hardcore test,track & trace from day1 whilst initially the thought here was that we could survive with herd immunity.

Hindsight heh, i mean who could have predicted this...

 

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6 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

Without getting political - i believe they went hardcore test,track & trace from day1 whilst initially the thought here was that we could survive with herd immunity.

Hindsight heh, i mean who could have predicted this...

Germany were on the case right away. There was an article in the NY Times on this

In January, before the height of ski season, they had a test developed. By the end of February they were testing 350,000 per day

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Irish horse racing continued after English racing did.

The last televised meeting was at Thurles. 

 

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2 hours ago, Saintslass said:

Actually, as I remember it, Cheltenham and the Liverpool soccer match were supposed to be to blame.  In the article, the soccer match is pretty much dismissed as a spreading event.

I have attached an article from the Racing Post about Cheltenham. 

As you imply, there is no supportive evidence whatsoever to suggest a hike in cases from the meeting. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.racingpost.com/news/fact-check-did-the-festival-increase-cases-of-coronavirus/432186/amp

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