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8 minutes ago, ckn said:

That's why it's damnably odd the way Johnson phrased this as advice rather than orders.

well if he was phrasing it to mean something more cynical..... it wouldn't be helping the government it would be helping insurance companies. That is if insurance companies are not paying,  it without doubt means more for the government to pay out, as they will certainly being doing government support of some sort as things progress.

So not sure of the logic unless looking for  conspiracy theories which by nature can never be proven.

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I run a club,  i don't know if we should open or not tomorrow night.  We've sold a load of tickets.  Online half our customers want us to open the other half think given current advice it would be irresponsible.  Our staff are split too (most need the cash) i have other bills to pay.  so?

 

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It's really weird. I'm advised not to go to the pub, and yet the pub is advised they are not being told to close. Things being what they are, I wouldn't go in when it's likely to be busy but this evening I went to my favourite local (I live in York, I have many locals) and had a pint or three, before I'd heard the advice. I'm quite happy to sit in the corner and observe my social distance. I'm sure I will continue to do that while the place is still open. 

The test will come on the weekend when regardless of any advice York will fill with folks wanting a night out. I'd prefer restricted hours, selfishly, but it looks inevitable closures will have to be enforced.

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20 minutes ago, Copa said:

The Australian Capital Territory (Canberra) is planning for a 20% infection rate... 84000 infections, 4200 requiring intensive care and 840 deaths.

840 will be an extra 6 feet Down Under.

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15 minutes ago, redsi42 said:

I run a club,  i don't know if we should open or not tomorrow night.  We've sold a load of tickets.  Online half our customers want us to open the other half think given current advice it would be irresponsible.  Our staff are split too (most need the cash) i have other bills to pay.  so?

 

You haven't been ordered to close. If you've got enough available staff then open. Everyone who attends on the night will have done so of their own volition.

Given the closed atmosphere, I think everyone who catches a rush hour bus or train has a bigger (biggest?) risk of exposure.

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19 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

Actually, given that the world is spherical, the 840 will be 6 feet nearer to Odsal Stadium. They'll die happy.

Happy that that is the closest they will ever get.

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Whether or not the decision not to close schools is the right one to make yet, I suspect they might be forced to make a decision sooner rather than later. The decision to quarantine for 14 days  based on anyone in your house having the virus is going to lead pretty quickly to chaos staffing wise. Also, pupil numbers will continue to drop: we were probably at 90% attendance today. 

It amazes me how many people still misunderstand the situation and are keeping their children off in a panic to stop them getting the virus. 

 

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2 hours ago, Copa said:

My partner has been sent home from work and tested. She works in a health care environment. We now wait a day or two until we get the results.

This is getting very real.

Hoping for the best for you both. Plenty of people get a higher temperature from fighting "normal" colds etc.

To my mind, the only indication that Coronavirus is a genuine problem is that every country is panicking. The actual infection numbers are pretty low to date; 1543 by this morning.

Like everyone else, I'll do what is legally necessary but I suspect that governments are thinking that "If it gets really bad, at least we took precautions. If it proves to have a minor effect, that's because we took so many precautions."

Win win for them. A bit different for the people who lose jobs and businesses.

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9 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

You haven't been ordered to close. If you've got enough available staff then open. Everyone who attends on the night will have done so of their own volition.

Given the closed atmosphere, I think everyone who catches a rush hour bus or train has a bigger (biggest?) risk of exposure.

So since last night we've had to explain to a young group of staff (18-21) that as it stands without any financial help from the government the best option for us is to close the business and make them all unemployed, so when this blows over we have some cash in the bank to get the business restarted.   it's a concept a lot of them are struggling to grasp.

Only a few of them were willing to work because of the virus, they thought we were taking the ###### when we asked "but there is a pandemic why would you risk our lives etc.." and they all thought we could continue to pay wages indefinitely because the business was successful.

Most of our staff are university students that need a second job to make ends meet.

i hope today the government offers some financial help, payment breaks etc. and will also be talking to our landlord to see if they can help  without it the cash in the bank won't last long.

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1 hour ago, Wolford6 said:

Hoping for the best for you both. Plenty of people get a higher temperature from fighting "normal" colds etc.

To my mind, the only indication that Coronavirus is a genuine problem is that every country is panicking. The actual infection numbers are pretty low to date; 1543 by this morning.

Like everyone else, I'll do what is legally necessary but I suspect that governments are thinking that "If it gets really bad, at least we took precautions. If it proves to have a minor effect, that's because we took so many precautions."

Win win for them. A bit different for the people who lose jobs and businesses.

The modelling is available now. It's worth looking at, at least for context as to why they are panicking.

Also, as I think is getting clearer, the number of cases (even the number of 'hospitalisations' to an extent) is a bit of a red herring, especially in the UK, where we're aren't routinely testing and where mild-moderate cases are self-isolating and self-medicating at home.

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10 hours ago, Wolford6 said:

I think everyone who catches a rush hour bus or train has a bigger (biggest?) risk of exposure.

My son catches the train to school some mornings. Today is one of them. Just taken him to the station. Numbers have been steadily going down. Today the only people on the platform were schoolkids and people working for Southeastern.

It is one of the conflicting messages. Places where people work are being told to stay open (even if people are being advised not to go to them) but I saw last night an official government message to avoid public transport in rush hour.

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1 hour ago, GUBRATS said:

Just noticed on BBC Breakfast , Dan and Louise are sitting further apart ?

It's a good image to make and reinforces national guidance so I'm very happy they're doing it.

"When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout"

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10 hours ago, Maximus Decimus said:

Whether or not the decision not to close schools is the right one to make yet, I suspect they might be forced to make a decision sooner rather than later. The decision to quarantine for 14 days  based on anyone in your house having the virus is going to lead pretty quickly to chaos staffing wise. Also, pupil numbers will continue to drop: we were probably at 90% attendance today. 

It amazes me how many people still misunderstand the situation and are keeping their children off in a panic to stop them getting the virus. 

 

My childrens school have had 13 staff call in saying they are self isolating so they have decided to send yr12 (lower vi) home as least currently important to be in school year and are merging classes to cope in other years. So that's more children packed into each classroom.

1 of those staff is my daughters ALevel Biology teacher, she has 3 children and 3 different other schools (infant, jnr and secondary) and she has announced she is off for 14 days so obviously they feel there is an infection in the family

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20 minutes ago, ckn said:

It's a good image to make and reinforces national guidance so I'm very happy they're doing it.

They've also just referenced it explicitly so the slow of understanding can follow what's going on.

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17 minutes ago, ckn said:

It's a good image to make and reinforces national guidance so I'm very happy they're doing it.

I'd be happier if they self isolated. Can't stand either of them. Trouble is, it'd be Charlie Stait and Naga Munchetty who'd take over.

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11 minutes ago, SSoutherner said:

My childrens school have had 13 staff call in saying they are self isolating so they have decided to send yr12 (lower vi) home as least currently important to be in school year and are merging classes to cope in other years. So that's more children packed into each classroom.

1 of those staff is my daughters ALevel Biology teacher, she has 3 children and 3 different other schools (infant, jnr and secondary) and she has announced she is off for 14 days so obviously they feel there is an infection in the family

A standard videoconferencing license allows up to 100 people on one call. Bulk purchase them, have the teachers and students log in from home if they're being sent home. And hope the national infrastructure can keep up.

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